“They have my full support to follow the facts wherever they lead, without fear or favor,”

[NJmaverick]

Mr. Obama said following a meeting with the commission co-chairs – Bob Graham, a former Florida governor and US senator, and William Reilly, a former head of the Environmental Protection Agency.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0601/BP-oil-spill-Obama-administration-opens-criminal-investigations

[Lerkfish]

1. and then?.....

what?

[NJmaverick]

2. from the article

...an independent commission will study the causes of the spill. Their job will be to ensure such a thing will never happen again, said President Obama in a Rose Garden appearance.

[Lerkfish]

3. which is not the same thing as holding BP accountable for this spill, right?

[NJmaverick]

6. That's correct, Eric Holder and the Justice department is handling that aspect

however if you care about it not happening again, there needs to be more than criminal prosecutions.

[CrispyQ]

8. It was held in the Rose Garden to cover the stench of an empty assurance.

snip...

For the long term, an independent commission will study the causes of the spill. Their job will be to ensure such a thing will never happen again, said President Obama in a Rose Garden appearance.

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There is no way he can make that assurance - no way! Short of stopping all drilling, he cannot assure us that another disaster will not happen.

You guys kill me! You accuse us of belittling the Prez for not being a Superman, & yet when he makes an assurance that even a super hero wouldn't make, that's ok. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[NJmaverick]

10. Your claim that a task shouldn't be tried because it's too difficult

is baffling at best and defeatist at worse. While it may not be possible to prevent something 100% it certainly should be the goal and it's certainly worth trying.

[CrispyQ]

31. I don't disagree that it's a worthy goal,

but when he makes a statement that he clearly can't back up, he loses credibility. What I hear is a man who wants to assure the People that it won't happen again so we can get back to business as usual.

[NJmaverick]

34. You openly mocked the goal and those that thought it's a good one

As for his credibility I think most people are intelligent enough to understand that was a goal and that odds are it will not be achieved completely. I don't want a leader that tasks a group to try and hopefully maybe make things better. I want to shoot for the stars and settle for the moon or mars, if we don't make it.

[FrenchieCat]

4. Why do you care? Obama is a great big failure to you no matter what he does,

unless he turns into you.

So really, why piss on every thread supportive that this President will do the right thing,
even if you think he won't (and you have made clear that you think he won't at least a dozen
times if not more)? :eyes:

[Lerkfish]

5. not true.

I want him to do certain things. If he does them, he's a success. For you, he's a success no matter what he does. You are grading on a pass fail, and you've already decided he passed no matter what.

I'm grading on actual work and accomplishments.

[NJmaverick]

7. Like the 113 promises kept?

[Lerkfish]

9. broken record

I've stated many times the issues that mean the most to me.

those 113 are fine, but I have bigger fish to fry in returning america to what it should be.

habeas corpus needs to be restored
torture and special renditions need to stop
Gitmo must be closed and detainees have access to due process
DADT must be repealed and gay marriage upheld.
We need to leave Iraq and Afghanistan and not start wars in other places like Pakistan.

[FrenchieCat]

11. No, it's not broken, it is his actual record....and it is 17 months old.

[Lerkfish]

13. I don't think you understand the term "broken record"

I"m referring to the other poster repeating the same thing ad nauseum.

[NJmaverick]

20. Are you referring to your never ending attacks on our President?

[Lerkfish]

21. er... nope.

[NJmaverick]

22. OK, just checking

[Lerkfish]

24. no problem

its hard to keep all your lies straight when you organize an entire group to try to get someone tombstoned.

isn't it?

[NJmaverick]

14. and the record is getting bigger and bigger with another 253 promises in the works

[Lerkfish]

16. you guys are a trip, really, idiomatic phrases, and irony, is lost on you.

[NJmaverick]

12. "the issues that mean the most to me."

See there is where we differ. For me it's what is most important to America. Things like preventing and economic meltdown and getting people healthcare is more important than any of my person issues or desires. The whole the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few... thing

[Lerkfish]

15. you think I"m against torture, war and pro gay rights for personal reasons?

you don't think I'm thinking of the greater good?

in your zeal to villify me personally you no longer make sense.

[NJmaverick]

18. Obama shares those same views and has already banned torture

so I am puzzled as to what your point is.

[Lerkfish]

23. er ... not exactly.

additional huge investments in new US bases in Iraq was reported today, signalling no intention to draw down... just as one example.

I wish he shared my views on those, he does not

[NJmaverick]

25. Yet the ever dwindling numbers of troops in Iraq would contradict that claim

[Fumesucker]

17. Just like the 9/11 commission no doubt..

:eyes:

Edited for speling.

[NJmaverick]

19. Bob Grahm is no Tom Kean

this isn't going to be a white wash

[Fumesucker]

26. Some lower level people will get blamed..

The bigwheels both in government and at BP will go unscathed.

[NJmaverick]

27. Remember this panel is about prevention. Eric Holder and the Justice Department

will be handling the criminal liability

[Fumesucker]

38. And my prediction remains the same in any case..

The only *real* prevention is simply not drilling offshore, particularly not a mile or more underwater.

Mother nature is a bitch and Murphy is always waiting to take advantage of the slightest opportunity for mischief.

The last of Murphy's laws states that if nothing can go wrong something will anyway.

[depakid]

28. More nice sounding words- to go with a result that will, based on previous commissions

be somewhat less than forthcoming.

I guess we'll see.

[NJmaverick]

29. The difference is that previous commissions were created by George Bush

and most were never intended to produce the results or goals that were stated in public

[depakid]

30. Commissions didn't just start with Bush...

Though I agree most don't or aren't intended to produce the results or goals that are stated in public.

[amborin]

32. no subpoena power; and Reilly was chosen by poppy Bush for Exxon Valdez; only platitudes resulted

[NJmaverick]

33. Eric Holder and the Justice Department will be handling the subpoenas

as well as the criminal prosecutions.

[amborin]

35. then it's certainly not an independent committee, in any sense

[NJmaverick]

36. Yes the panel is independent and is tasks with preventing this from happening again

while the Justice Department will take care of those that are criminally liable.

[amborin]

37. nope; it's certainly not independent when it has to go through the fed gov't to subpoena anything;