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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:52 AM Original message |
Have You Seen Thomas Jefferson's HOUSE! |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. lmao |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. !1 |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
3. Didn't he have a slave to cut his hair? |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Slaves built the house too...n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
54. And lived there |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
78. Don't forget the rape. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. I'm more of a Samuel Adams fan myself |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Very nice choice, and tasty too. |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #81 |
93. Actually, Adams was pretty crappy brewmaster |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
124. he also raped them |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. Jefferson did try to abolish slavery many times |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Not very hard. He never freed his slaves |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
59. not to mention sexual exploitation |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. There's no evidence that Thomas Jefferson had any sexual contact with his slaves |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #77 |
151. There's plenty of evidence, it's just not incontrovertible |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #151 |
174. You're quoting that Wikipedia article as your evidence? |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #174 |
193. So you disagree with the DNA evidence? I don't understand your point. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
75. He couldn't free all his slaves because of his debts |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #75 |
148. Which is what I said. He may have opposed slavery in theory, but not in practice |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
90. And the 5 he did free |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #90 |
150. Debated, but in essence you're right. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #150 |
176. Right. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #176 |
180. Sally originally belonged to his wife... |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #176 |
194. IIRC, if he had freed Sally, she would have been required to leave the state |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
4. Well back then "men" meant white, male and owning property |
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corkhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
5. That $400 haircut is the gift that keeps on giving |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
6. Look into its history and you'll be much amazed |
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Lisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
7. ask any British barrister -- white powdered wigs are pricey! |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
8. he was a racist piece of crap, too. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
67. So was Abe Lincoln. Sign of the times. |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 01:49 AM Response to Reply #67 |
199. no. it was not a sign of the times. there were many people who knew it was wrong. unfortunately, |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
79. He was a product of his times. He was not a piece of crap. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Correct, don't judge 18th century men by 21st century standards..n/t |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 01:51 AM Response to Reply #85 |
200. see #199 above. many, many people knew that the ignorances of the day were wrong. nt |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #200 |
208. Of course they did... |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 01:15 AM Response to Reply #79 |
127. Well, I was brought up in a racist family, in a racist town, in a racist county, in |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 06:38 AM Response to Reply #127 |
131. my, my my..... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #127 |
141. so. . |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
94. How so? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #94 |
169. He owned other humans |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #169 |
178. Terrific. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #178 |
181. .... |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #178 |
213. There are degrees |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #213 |
217. Many of the abolitionists at the time were also pushing for.. |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 08:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
206. Most people in the 1790's were - not that that is an excuse but I'm just saying... |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
9. Yes, I've even been there... |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
32. In terms of floor space/square feet the living quarters are pretty small |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Considering most people during this time were living.. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
58. Yep. Was there a few years ago |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
11. Obviously not everyone can live in such splendor |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
173. True, especially when you compare Thomas Jefferson |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
12. The same wig for 20 years |
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liam_laddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
13. IIRC, he died deeply in debt. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
14. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
15. Yes I have seen it |
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MousePlayingDaffodil (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. If you saw Monticello when you were in Washington, D.C. . . . |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. It's doable |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #19 |
55. You think 100 miles is a long way? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
66. Especially if you came all the |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
83. It's a very pretty drive, too..n/t |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
119. And Some Of Us Can Manage 100 Miles In An Hour And A Half Or So... |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
16. It looks grand |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
20. hmmmm |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I believe the point made was that someone who is rich |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. That's not a founding belief of our country. |
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MissB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I'm well aware of what the Declaration of Independence says. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. It didn't need to. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
103. In the DoI "Men" is ment in the sense of "Mankind", not "men" in the sense of the gender. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 07:20 AM Response to Reply #103 |
134. It referred to "Men" as in "Men" had rights that women didn't get. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #103 |
160. Oh, here we go - his own words on gender: |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 01:57 AM Response to Reply #103 |
201. no it didn't, but he hoped people would think that, thus making him appear good and fair. there |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
68. It did mean that in the context of the times, no question about that. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 08:14 AM Response to Reply #68 |
139. so Thomas Jefferson invented equality. Hmm. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. No, the point is that ideals transcend personal circumstances |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. It was an "enduring document of freedom" for the privileged few (nt) |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
170. But it is ONLY an enduring document of freedom because of |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
123. I agree |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
21. But, he didn't vote for the Iraqi War, the Patriot Act, helping banks |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Thank you. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Look up "Alien & Sedition Act" |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I thought Adams was the one who signed that |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. You are correct |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
23. Read the Declaration of Independence |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
29. Good post! |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
34. a fine colonial wig might cost a year's salary for a laborer |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Jefferson's looked pretty grungy, compared to Washington's |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
107. It is thought that he might of had an Austism Spectrum disorder, probably Asperger's. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 08:02 AM Response to Reply #107 |
138. I'd never heard that... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #138 |
140. It was in a book I read called "Diagnosing Jefferson." |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #140 |
159. Cool, I'll look for it.. |
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Buck Turgidson (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
37. Jefferson had another house. |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Thanks for the link, I was just reading about Poplar Forest recently. |
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Buck Turgidson (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. He never really intended to move to Poplar Forest permanently. |
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Sequoia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
39. Hair cut? Gracious me! |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
40. Didn't he father a black child? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. yes, a rapist also. |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Wait, you think the LP was a bad idea? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. If I paid the guy across the street for your land |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. The French owned the land. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. No, what they sold was their CLAIM to the land, which is different. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. I didn't think they believed ANYBODY "owned" the land. |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. If one possesses a title to it. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. No, I'm talking about in Native American thought. |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Fat lot of good that political theory did them. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
84. That was an alien thought to the native americans... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
118. And you live... where? |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #118 |
165. Don't be silly. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. Do you know FOR A FACT he was a rapist? |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
80. Any sex between slave and master is rape. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. Thanks for clearing that up. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #80 |
101. Where's the evidence that Thomas Jefferson had sex with one of his slaves? |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 06:52 AM Response to Reply #101 |
132. Ask Sally Hemmings' descendants ... |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #132 |
147. Proved 'what' with DNA? |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #147 |
155. that some of her kids were fathered by Jefferson |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #155 |
161. I don't think you read your own link |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #101 |
191. Do you even have any inkling as to what I really was referring to |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
111. Legally? Sure. In fact? Probably not. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Wrong, legally it was fine slaves were property with no rights, but logically it is rape |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:24 AM Response to Reply #113 |
121. I mean, legally nowadays. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 05:36 AM Response to Reply #121 |
128. Sex with a captive isn't a mutually consenting relationship. (nt) |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 01:56 PM Response to Reply #128 |
164. Unless, of course, it is. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
89. You have evidence that Thomas Jefferson had sex with his slaves? |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:01 PM Response to Reply #89 |
98. He had a long-term affair with one of them. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. If you bothered to read that article you linked to... |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #99 |
156. You apparently didn't read the article yourself |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #47 |
95. Care to show me the evidence he was a rapist? |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. We don't even know if TJ fathered a child with a slave |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. I was thinking they ran some tests that showed otherwise? |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. DNA testing has shown that a male descended from Jefferson's paternal grandfather's side |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 07:42 AM Response to Reply #104 |
136. Your defense of him is that he let his relatives rape his slaves? |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #136 |
146. Too bad I didn't make that defense |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #146 |
152. It's one or the other. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #152 |
168. Discovering that one of his relatives had an affair with one of his slaves |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #152 |
183. Not an uncommon occurrence during those times... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #183 |
196. rape is common during these times, too. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 07:46 AM Response to Reply #196 |
204. I'm not apologizing for anybody... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #204 |
205. In the context of their times |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 08:44 AM Response to Reply #205 |
207. Of course it was wrong... |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #104 |
157. Bullshit |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #157 |
166. Look further down in that same web page |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #166 |
179. and of course you'll want to read the |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #95 |
162. He fathered a child with his slave. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
42. Racist! Elitist! Deist! etc.ist! |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. It didn't "come out of his brain" |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
108. LOL,, there's a crank theory I never head before! |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 05:56 AM Response to Reply #108 |
129. PLEASE read some history before popping off about things |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #129 |
184. Of course, native americans kept slaves as well...n/t |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. How DARE he not predict and conform to 21st century sensibilities! |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Spare me. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. A pig learns to sing, and someone whines, "He's not as good as Pavarotti!" |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
110. The "Noble Savage" is a myth of european romantics. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #110 |
171. It's a myth ingrained in the Declaration of Independence. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #110 |
210. And they get away with it because they think we're all dead. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
163. there's one criterion that people like to apply today |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
175. You're forgetting the abolitionists |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #175 |
209. He didn't support women's suffrage either, but nobody ever complains about that |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
43. I think he designed that house too, he was a excellent architect and inventor, too. |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
50. Totally out-of-touch with the people. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
57. The trouble with DU politicos is they don't understand TRAGEDY. |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Wow! Great post! |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
109. That's Peace Patriot for you, eloquently keeping it real. nt |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Thank you for straightening out a crooked thread |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. I do hope you're not referring to the OP. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. This deserves a thread of its own. :) |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
76. Excellent post, Peace Patriot. Excellent analogy too: |
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Frank Cannon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
82. This is the BEST post I've ever read on this board |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
88. This reply deserves a round of applause |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #57 |
91. from reading your post |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #91 |
117. No more curious than having a knee-jerk hatred of every pale biped in history with testicles. nt |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 07:23 AM Response to Reply #117 |
135. I love white men. I hate white male supremacy. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 08:28 AM Response to Reply #135 |
142. (hatred corrodes the vessel). . . . n/t |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 08:49 AM Response to Reply #142 |
144. (so does blind acceptance of racism, sexism and lies). . . . nt |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #135 |
149. I don't consider anyone who runs around yelling "f*** Thomas Jefferson" to be particularly well |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #149 |
153. your post borders on a personal attack which is against forum rules. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #153 |
154. Funny, I thought upthread you said "f*** Thomas Jefferson". |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. We have different "bottom lines" |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #158 |
167. I understand that you have strong feelings about the injustices that went into European settlement |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #167 |
177. Ah, the infamous "love it or leave it" line. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 08:20 PM Response to Reply #177 |
189. No, that's not it at all. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #189 |
195. Jefferson's own words are ugly. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #195 |
197. I would agree with the vast majority of what you say there. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 06:02 AM Response to Reply #197 |
202. Can you name anyone of the Native Americans whose ideas he took? |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 07:43 AM Response to Reply #197 |
203. Maybe he was a visionary, in the same way that Saddam Hussein was. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #203 |
212. It's not JUST about "policies", it's about the ideas in the U.S. Constitution. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #212 |
214. You'll find I try pretty hard not to engage when personally attacked. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #214 |
215. I think if you honestly believe that Thomas Jefferson = Saddam Hussein |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #215 |
216. If you honestly believe that's what I wrote |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #167 |
182. ignore debts?? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #182 |
190. Sounds to me like it was a major challenge for them to collect on those debts. |
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blue neen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
92. I salute you. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
97. Um, a tragedy (in the theatrical sense) is just a reversal of fortune. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #97 |
172. Precisely |
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enigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
106. Fantastic post |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
112. Wow... wonderful |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #57 |
143. THANK YOU! I was about to put this whole silly thread on ignore. . .n/t |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
187. Probably One Of The Best All Around Posts I've Seen Here Period. |
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live love laugh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #57 |
192. Whoaaaa. You stopped me in my tracks with this one. Well said. |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
62. I don't see any "recreation barn" though - |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
65. You're not trying to compare Jefferson to Edwards - are you? |
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Vadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
96. YES! I've been there and it is incredible!! All Americans must.. |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #96 |
105. I agree. I thought it was a spectacular place. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
114. Not only that, he clearly didn't understand how to woo the Evangelical Right. |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
115. are you implying |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #115 |
125. A budding merchant class/ bourgeoisie attempting to take the reigns of government from the.... |
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MadAnne (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
116. Tom and Sally |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-08-07 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
120. hahahahahahahahahahahaha! |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
122. Umm, the slaves. And YES it is hypocrisy, both the house and the slaves |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
126. "Men" meant first of all MEN, second of all WHITE and then to top it off |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
130. I've been there--it's no McMansion. I love it. |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
133. Well he lost my vote that's for damn sure!!!1!!! I'm series |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
137. Thanks for the reminder ... |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
145. unelectable. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #145 |
185. Not even for dog catcher in Virginia these days...n/t |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
186. Yeah But He Totally Supported Gay Marriage. |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-09-07 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
188. It's a wig. Wigs were worn by the upper class back then. |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
198. hey, i'm okay with the slave-owning, so it's ok if he had a mansion too. nt |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-10-07 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
211. The Sage of Monticello |
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