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FlaGatorJD Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 07:53 AM
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The oil is already in the Atlantic
It's not visible on top, but my friends were fishing off Marathon in the Keys,
and their lures were covered with oil :mad:

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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 07:55 AM
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1. gee, i wonder why bp didn't tell us? eom
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:53 PM
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54. Did the government?
Do they know?

:shrug:
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 07:56 AM
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2. well shit.
Fuck.

sorry. They're the only words I can think of right now.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 07:57 AM
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3. Once more I drag my maps and graphics out
This map is of the surface currents in the world's oceans



This map is of the deep ocean Conveyor Belt



This is the Gulf Loop Current

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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:24 AM
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7. Thanks! I had not yet seen those. Very nice collection!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:35 AM
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22. Have you seen this? Just watch Part 1 and get back to me...
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 11:30 AM
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33. I had not yet seen that. Past certainly is prologue, eh?
I'm halfway through part 1, but I don't think I can stop at part 1.
Thanks again.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 11:43 AM
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36. BP was heavily involved in the Valdez spill. Instead of actually caring for the environment,
they launched a billion-dollar ad campaign "Beyond Petroleum." Disgusting.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 02:23 PM
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46. Where is George Miller now?
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:43 AM
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18. Reminds me of of the dust bowl...
where then current administration didn't fully wrap their mind around the immensity until dust ended up on the President's desk in the oval office. Maybe that will be the instigator here, as well.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:04 AM
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19. OMG ! You mean they're all connected?
This is what Sarah Palin will say when she sees your maps.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:20 AM
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21. Sarah Palin will claim dinosaurs couldn't have possibley lived under the ocean
Edited on Tue Jun-01-10 09:21 AM by lunatica
So therefore there's no oil there at all. QED it's all just all gotcha propaganda to protect Obama's radical left wing agenda.

Makes ya dizzy huh?
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:35 AM
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23. Yeah, it does...
... maybe we should pool our money and start a 24-hour channel to counteract her lies.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:37 AM
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or this adminstrations lies? Lots and lots of lies going around by all in our government and BP!
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:38 AM
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26. How about The Truth Channel ??
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:41 AM
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28. wouldn't that be nice!! Instead we have to depend on ourselves being the media..
and we do that quite well in Fla i must say..we have huge chains of internet groups keeping people informed .
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 10:03 AM
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30. Pallin has no power to do a damn thing..but these folks sure as hell do and have greased their
pockets well!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8455172

Groups Challenge Continued Oil Operations in Gulf Excluded from New Moratorium


Since spill, feds have given 27 waivers to oil companies in gulf
Source: McClatchy

Since spill, feds have given 27 waivers to oil companies in gulf

By Marisa Taylor | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — Since the Deepwater Horizon oil drilling rig exploded April 20, the Obama administration has granted oil and gas companies at least 27 exemptions from doing in-depth environmental studies of oil exploration and production in the Gulf of Mexico.

The waivers were granted despite President Barack Obama's vow that his administration would launch a "relentless response effort" to stop the leak and prevent more damage to the gulf. One of them was dated Friday — the day after Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he was temporarily halting offshore drilling.

The exemptions, known as "categorical exclusions," were granted by the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service, or MMS, and included waiving detailed environmental studies for a British Petroleum exploration plan to be conducted at a depth of more than 4,000 feet and an Anadarko Petroleum Corp. exploration plan at more 9,000 feet.

"Is there a moratorium on offshore drilling or not?" asked Peter Galvin, the conservation director at the Center for Biological Diversity, the environmental group that discovered the administration's continued approval of the exemptions. "Possibly the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history has occurred, and nothing appears to have changed."


Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/07/9376...



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ahhh the strange bedfellows.....remember Dashle who pushed Obama during our primaries..and was one of his top advisors...........working with Whitman..the lady who lied about the air quality at Ground zero in NY?? Can i tickle your memory..she lied and people died and keep dying!! And that is just one example..

Spill, Baby, Spill
By Michael Isikoff, Ian Yarett and Matthew Philips | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated May 10, 2010

BP has been trying hard to burnish its public image in recent years after being hit with a pair of environmental disasters, including a fatal refinery explosion in Texas and a pipeline leak in Alaska. One major step was to announce, in 2007, that it had hired a high-powered advisory board that included former EPA director Christine Todd Whitman, former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle, and Leon Panetta, who were each paid $120,000 a year. (Panetta left when he became President Obama's CIA director.) Two years ago the oil giant's chief executive, Robert Malone, flew board members out to the Gulf of Mexico on a helicopter to demonstrate the safeguards surrounding BP's advanced drilling technology. "We got a sense they were really committed to ensuring they got it right," Whitman told NEWSWEEK.

Now BP, formerly known as British Petroleum, finds itself blamed for what could prove to be the worst oil spill in U.S. history. And only weeks after Obama announced an ambitious plan to open up more U.S. offshore waters to oil drilling, shunting aside environmental concerns from his own Democratic Party, his administration is facing a comeuppance from hell. "There was a lot of wishful thinking, I guess," says Villy Kourafalou, a scientist at the University of Miami's Rosensteil School of Marine and Atmospheric Science. "The new technologies were said to be so wonderful that we'd never have an oil spill again." Rep. Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), who had sought to block the expanded drilling, says the oil and gas industry was pushing this idea hard. "They said, 'We'll never have a repeat of Santa Barbara,'?" referring to the 1969 rig explosion off the California coast. Both the Bush and Obama administrations "were buying the line that the technology was fine," Pallone adds.

BP pressed hard to make that point in D.C. Its PR efforts included payments of $16 million last year to a battery of Washington lobbyists, among them the firm of Tony Podesta, the brother of former Obama transition chief John Podesta. Last fall, after the U.S. Interior Department proposed tighter federal regulation of oil companies' environmental programs, David Rainey, BP's vice president for Gulf of Mexico exploration, told Congress that the proposal was unnecessary. "I think we need to remember," he said, that offshore drilling "has been going on for the last 50 years, and it has been going on in a way that is both safe and protective of the environment."


Read the full article at:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237298

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and never forget this..we Floridans won't!!!


YouTube - Barack Obama on Offshore Oil Drilling ( to Florida voters while asking for their votes)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8fkbEuCQss ...


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Obama: “Oil Rigs Today Generally Don’t Cause Spills”


Obama Repeats Katrina Oil Spill Myth To Defend Offshore Drilling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm8gLmuTvJ4 ... ...


By: David Dayen Thursday April 29, 2010 1:42 pm

snip:

What a difference 18 days makes. Here was Barack Obama, on April 2, before the BP oil rig disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, claiming that oil rigs are safe to justify his position on offshore drilling:

I don’t agree with the notion that we shouldn’t do anything. It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don’t cause spills. They are technologically very advanced. Even during Katrina, the spills didn’t come from the oil rigs, they came from the refineries onshore.


Not only does this quote look ridiculous in hindsight, it wasn’t true at the time, as Brad Johnson points out:

Obama’s claim that oil rigs did not cause any spills during Hurricane Katrina is simply false, as the Wonk Room reported in June, 2008, when Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and other conservatives made the same false claim:

Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Caused 124 Offshore Spills For A Total Of 743,700 Gallons. 554,400 gallons were crude oil and condensate from platforms, rigs and pipelines, and 189,000 gallons were refined products from platforms and rigs.

Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Caused Six Offshore Spills Of 42,000 Gallons Or Greater. The largest of these was 152,250 gallons, well over the 100,000 gallon threshhold considered a “major spill.”


http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/04/29/oba ... ... ’t-cause-spills/


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Government to Oil Plume Discovery Team: Shut Up

Posted by flyarm in General Discussion
Tue May 18th 2010, 02:38 PM
Government to Oil Plume Discovery Team: Shut Up | The Seminal

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/48816 ...

Government to Oil Plume Discovery Team: Shut Up
By: Jim White Tuesday May 18, 2010 6:06 am


The research vessel Pelican. (photo: Louisiana Universities Marine Consortium)

On Saturday, the New York Times brought the world’s attention to the discovery by a team of researchers on the the vessel Pelican that there are large underwater plumes of oil emanating from the Deepwater Horizon spill. Remarkably, the response of the government to the attention focused on this discovery has been to tell the researchers to stop granting interviews with the press. At the same time, the blog on which the researchers had been providing updates has also fallen silent since Saturday.

Pensacola television station WEAR filed a report (video at the link) on the oil plume and broke the news about the scientists being muzzled by the government:

Over the weekend, a research crew from the University of Southern Mississippi found evidence that there are 3 to 5 plumes… About 5 miles wide, 10 miles long and 3 hundred feet in depth.

But after giving that information to the press, the lead researcher now says he has been asked by the federal government… Which funds his research… To quit giving interviews until further testing is done.


What an interesting change of course for the government. Even the government’s website on the Deepwater Horizon response had been touting the mission of the Pelican as recently as May 6:

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu... ...

Thanks to Chill_ Wind for posting.............

Wackenhut in the Gulf guarding BP & US 'Command ' Center - (The Nation, Jeremy Scahill, 5/29)

Edited on Sat May-29-10 09:54 PM by chill_wind


BP and US Government 'Command Center' Guarded by Company From Afghan Embassy Hazing Scandal
Jeremy Scahill

I just got off the phone with my friends Naomi Klein, author of "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism," and her husband Avi Lewis, host of al Jazeera English's popular program Fault Lines. They are traveling around the devastated US Gulf reporting on the horrific disaster caused by BP's massive oil spill. They described to me a run in that they just had with the private security company Wackenhut, which apparently has been hired to do the perimeter security for the "Deepwater Horizon Unified Command." The "Unified Command" is run jointly by BP and several US government agencies including the US Coast Guard, the Department of Defense, the Department of State and the Department of Homeland Security.



Wackenhut, of course, is the notorious private security company that operates in the US and around the globe. It recently became part of the huge British mercenary network G4S. Most recently, Wackenhut gained global infamy for the conduct of guards from its subsidiary Armor Group after it was revealed by whistleblowers that the company created a "Lord of the Flies environment" at the embassy "in which guards and supervisors are 'peeing on people, eating potato chips out of cracks, vodka shots out of cracks... brawls, threats and intimidation from those leaders participating in this activity." According to the Project on Government Oversight, "Multiple guards say this deviant hazing has created a climate of fear and coercion, with those who declined to participate often ridiculed, humiliated, demoted, or even fired. The result is an environment that is dangerous and volatile. Some guards have reported barricading themselves in their rooms for fear that those carrying out the hazing will harm them physically."

In other words, Wackenhut is the perfect choice to "guard" the joint BP-US government-US military operation in the Gulf.

Lewis told me that for two weeks his crew has attempted to interview officials from the Unified Command's Joint Information Center. "We had been shut down or dodged for 2 weeks of official requests," he said. Finally, Lewis and Klein, who is on assignment for The Guardian, decided to go to the information center in person "to try to nail something down."




the rest: http://www.thenation.com/blog/bp-and-us-go... ...

" It is completely sci-fi. It's a corporate state." -- from the article
Klein, who spent extensive time in New Orleans during and after Hurricane Katrina documenting the widespread disaster profiteering and privatization that endures to this day said the fact that Wackenhut is guarding a joint operation of the US government and BP is not surprising given what is happening in the Gulf right now. "The whole Gulf Coast is a corporate oil state," she told me. "It's like BP broke it, so now they own the entire Gulf Coast." She added: "We might accept the premise that BP is best positionioned to know how to fix the blow up at 5,000 feet, but that also seems to mean they think they should control media access and the entire clean up of a massive national emergency. BP is in charge of everything. We were on the water in open seas the day before the Wackenhut incident and a boat pulls up next to us and asked if we worked for BP and we said, "No," and they said, 'You can't be here.'" It is completely sci-fi. It's a corporate state."


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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 01:29 PM
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45. Thank you and that totally needs its own OP/thread!
All of this is tragic and infuriating at the same time. Wishing you all the best!! :hug:

It must be extra heart-breaking being there at the coast and watching this disaster slowly unfold. :(
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 06:00 PM
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48. You should start your own thread. Few people will read it here and it's
worthy
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:20 PM
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52. gawd a'mighty
They are into coverup mode already.

Cleanup, what cleanup? Sweep it under the surface and we can call it a day.

I guess they do have to try and whitewash this. They can hardly do anything else.

Thanks, flyarm.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 08:03 PM
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58. Bookmarked and thanks flyarm.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 12:38 PM
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42. Thanks for posting these!
*saves to harddrive*
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 06:30 PM
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49. Thanks lunatica. nt
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 07:58 AM
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4. Well I'm sure they will send it out
to test it and tell us it isn't their oil. With a straight face they will tell us they have no idea how it got there.:banghead:
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:17 AM
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6. Yeah - love those oil DNA tests..
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:14 AM
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5. just a little "sea oil" its natural nothing to worry about
bacteria will eat it up
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:27 AM
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8. That oil probably leaked out of some Terra-ist's crop duster or
Edited on Tue Jun-01-10 08:27 AM by Hubert Flottz
one of Saddam's death drones stationed just off shore since 1991.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:27 AM
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9. It's going to be all over the eastern half of North America as
soon as storms start rolling in off the Gulf (toxic rain).
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:33 AM
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13. They already are.. Its like allergy season all over again.. Anybody with
breathing issues, be prepared.. This is crazy. My eyes are itchy, sinuses all drippy.. normal "allergy" types of symptoms. And it came with the rain we had. AND everybody who deals with allergies on a seasonal cycle is having issues (at least the one's I've spoken to). Its not allergy season. That was back in March and April when it gets this bad. (I live in Tampa). Wait until a real storm comes thru... this crap will be spread very far and wide.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:38 AM
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27. We have had reports in Fla that oil has been found in Inlets in NJ..
look ..we have all been given a heavy dose of CYA and blatant cover up!
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 01:15 PM
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44. Please don't believe everything you read.
I live not too far from the Gulf and I'm certainly not abandoning my vegetable garden due to one hysterical and unsourced article on the tubes.

The worst that I've experienced so far is the terrible fumes from the burning when the wind blows my way.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 07:55 AM
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56. right, we get summer hot humid air masses in chicago
that come straight north off of the gulf of mexico, how much of that toxic shit is going to rain down on our corn, apples, soybeans and illegal marijuana?????
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:28 AM
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10. this is like the titanic which was seen as unsinkable and therefore felt it didn't need enough boats
for everyone on board. only worse because instead of the 1500 who died on the titanic, this is polluting the ocean and killing life there. and it is going to hurt us all. the idea that these oil companies were allowed to drill in the ocean without some proven way of dealing with something like this is ridiculous. or they had something that would have worked but it was cheaper to just not do it... like the relief well. this could have been prevented!! but even still, they should have had something in place to deal with it should something happen.

there should be NO MORE DRILLING!!! they should not be allowed to drill anymore until they figure out what rules have to be put into place and safety measures to prevent this shit from happening again. i would rather they just not drill, but apparently they have the money to ensure that they can do whatever they want. we need to invest in alternatives!!! solar.... wind..... something else that isn't going to harm the earth.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:29 AM
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11. Well, did he catch anything?
I hope he didn't intend to eat it...!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:34 AM
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14. My son caught this out of the Gulf last week...
Edited on Tue Jun-01-10 08:36 AM by Hubert Flottz


Edit...We found his cell phone with that picture on the beach, but we haven't seen hide nor hair of him since he left to go fishing.

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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:40 AM
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16. I have to admit, Cheenee looks much better after his first cup of coffee in the morning. nt
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:37 AM
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25. lol
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 10:14 AM
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31. Now we see where Liz gets her "Good Looks"
And Cold Blood...
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 07:22 PM
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57. LOL ! Thanks I needed to laugh about something
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:30 AM
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12. But, but, BP sez there's no oil under the surface
and everyone know they are the experts! The Gov needs to get every marine scientist out on the water down there.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:34 AM
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15. Does that mean people like me who had to contend with Bush era
and no funding for science.. Maybe I get to have a job in something I trained for because of this spill.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 12:13 PM
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39. I hope so
we sure need those skills. At least it would be some good from all this shit.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:40 AM
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17. This liability game is getting really old
This company, it's brass, lawyers and flaks ought to all be walking the plank, right over ground zero.

Expropriate without compensation.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:08 AM
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20. How?
The only person that can make that happen is Obama, and he's walking his own plank.
BP plans on outliving Obama, and at the current pace, BP will.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 11:04 AM
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32. Well, that's the point.

He will not or can not. This administration can not or will not. Any US government, as it is presently constituted, can not or will not. Government is the crowd control subsidiary of Capital. Does this disgusting episode not make this blazingly plain?

We gotta kill Capitalism before it kills us.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 11:39 AM
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35. Yep
Who, except Obama, can stand up to BP and the corporate capitalist culture that is destroying our world?

I really thought Obama would. I really, truly had the audacity to hope that we would see a real change by now.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 12:00 PM
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37. He wouldn't be president if he had such predilictions.

The Big Boys vet pretty good, ain't nobody getting where he is if they ain't on the same page as Tony Heyward and such.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 12:05 PM
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38. Yeah
But this is day 42 of the biggest Corporate Catastrophe in America's history.

If Obama has what it takes, and is really for us, then this is an open door to real change. But so far, I am not getting my hopes up. Even here, on DU, we see too many still caught in the trap. We try to free them, but they.......
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 12:31 PM
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40. It's really not about him.

Our problem is not a personality or a party, it is an economic system which gives the few power over the many thru ownership of the means of production. As long as they control that neither Obama nor Superman can do a damn thing about it. But mass mobilization, that is what they fear most.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 12:49 PM
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43. BINGO!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:35 AM
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24. I heard last night BP was opening a claims office in Marathon..don't know how true
But i send info out all over Fla and I was told this by numerous people on my email lists last night that this was the case.
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:44 AM
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29. Well, Hayward & the BP brass have been on TV laughing at this concept
They snicker every time someone mentions "oil plumes" because we're all apparently so iggerant of oil/water physics. The oil floats to the top. If dispersants are used, the bacteria eat it all. Therefore there can't be any plumes & whatever Cousteau was swimming through last week must have been a CNN illusion. Idiot number 2 (Hudley?) actually said there is no scientific proof of plumes.

As a card-carrying iggerant, I keep wondering why we have these disasters if all the little bacteria are cleaning up the oceans. Maybe the bacteria aren't burping enough between meals? Could it be that the dispersants actually impede thorough clean-up but keep the slick off the surface which is good for BP?

Well, I hope my governor McDonnell is still bleating about the importance of off-shore drilling when the hypothetical illusion of oil starts oozing up the Atlantic Coast.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 06:40 PM
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51. They are true fools doing a dumb show while their lawyers prepare their defense.
Obfuscation and delay are effective techniques. That's why they don't seem to care that the statements they make are random in their idiocy.
It doesn't matter what they say as long as they can stall long enough until their getaway is ready.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 11:31 AM
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34. People need to know this! nt
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 12:36 PM
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41. oh crap, this is not good news at all.
Edited on Tue Jun-01-10 12:38 PM by bdamomma
:grr:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 02:27 PM
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47. I once caught an oil spil "THIS BIG"
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oldlib Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 06:40 PM
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50. The oil spill
has reached my driveway in Lancaster, California.:sarcasm:
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 08:50 PM
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53. Soon to be washing up on
The shores of Europe.. I am sure they will love that! :sarcasm:
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 07:52 AM
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55. didnt the usa have the news articles saying the
oil was to reach the bahamas by last weekend??? or was that just french press???
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