"We will die a slow death over the next two years as this oil creeps ashore"

[Bluebear]

NEW ORLEANS — Anger and frustration surged across the Gulf Coast on Monday as residents learned that the latest attempt to cap a renegade underwater well had failed and that oil may keep gushing into the Gulf of Mexico until at least August, when relief wells are scheduled to be finished.
As they entered the 42nd day of the crisis Monday, officials with oil company BP said that over the weekend they had abandoned the so-called "top kill" maneuver to jam drilling mud into the well to stop its flow and were trying a new technique.

"Everybody's lost hope," said councilman Jay LaFont of Grand Isle, La., where beaches and its fishing industry were closed because of the spill. "As long as you have something to look forward to, a little glimmer of hope, you can move on. But this just drained everything out of us."...

"We will die a slow death over the next two years as this oil creeps ashore," Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser said.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-05-31-gulf-oil-spill_N.htm

[Mind_your_head]

1. We will die a slow death.....it will evidence itself WELL BEYOND two years. eom

[RandomThoughts]

2. heh, lots of doom and gloom thoughts in last few post.

Why is that?

[Skittles]

3. maybe because there is lots of doom and gloom?

[RandomThoughts]

5. Wouldn't it be better to fix the problems then buy into the apathy news narrative from some?

[Skittles]

8. it's possible for both to be options

[Bluebear]

11. Sing a happy song and envision the color orange surrounding you.

And everything will come up fucking daffodils. :silly:

[RandomThoughts]

13. Not about that, however, while thinking on things.

I will sing a happy song, and also note that I do not buy or sell, and for years have not supported systems I disagree with. While trying to support things I agree with. Do you have a suggestion of what else a person should do?

And I also know that most of the 'system' is full of BS, because of inability to right the simplest of wrongs. And from that I know that many people simply do not care about what happens, and many information systems are incorrect.

So f*ck'em.

While trying to find things to be happy about. :D



The point is what is causing the despair, the very thing that does not want to go away, and wants to use despair to protect itself, injustice and lack of moderation through consolidation systems.

Why are people worried about foreclosures, pollution, criminal actions, and many people in prison for minor things, is it hearing about it? Or is it the people doing it?

Is it the people in the picture, who paints the picture, or who shows it to you?

And if things are messed up fix them. And the thing is we can all do a little to fix them, and that is the way it will get fixed, because those that claim power do not want it fixed, or it would not have happened under their stewardship of the last decades.

[Skittles]

15. yup

that would appear to be the mentality of a sizeable number of DUers

[KamaAina]

16. Actually, I'm envisioning Agent Orange surrounding the BP execs

:grr: :banghead: :argh: :nuke:

[Mind_your_head]

12. ABSOLUTELY! It would be better to fix problems rather than just speak of them!

Please tell us where to begin to fix the problems, RT.

[RandomThoughts]

14. Not give respect or allow those that you think are doing wrong.

To be part of your world. If they try to buy you to get you to do something you think is wrong, don't do it. If they tell you not to say something, say it if you think it is right. If they tell you you can't do something and they can not defend what they say with thought and feeling, do it what you think is best.

The problem is people are allowing systems that they know are wrong to be the systems in place.

If you boss at some work place comes in and tells you you have to do something and you think it is wrong, and he has not earned respect by better intents and even actions maybe, then ignore him or explain to him why he is wrong. If someone says you have to be quiet about something to get a pay check, and what you say is correct, and they know it, then say it anyway. And know they do not have the power to control those checks when people do that.

If they want to take your car, explain why they should not, if they want to say you have to be some way you think is wrong, don't agree with them because they use threats of losses in economics or social matters, do what you think is best, even if it is not much of a thing to do what you think is best, at least you are not owned.

And try to learn and listen to also find when you yourself are wrong.

[Rex]

37. Sadly, it is not apathy news - it is real life on the planet and if you

don't want to face the reality of the situation you don't have to. That is the great thing about America, I guess.

[Bluebear]

4. These people have lost hope, I think reading the article describes it pretty well

very sad.

[RandomThoughts]

7. Loss of hope is the intent of despair.

Why would people lose hope? Because people are saying it is hopeless over and over.

The same people that do not want to fix the problems want people to think they are powerless to make a difference.

They are using apathy and despair as a weapon.

Hence why the oil spill, and why it is taking so long to get fixed.

[Bluebear]

10. I'm sorry, you are full of baloney. This ain't a Hallmark card that "positive thoughts" can cure

[RandomThoughts]

18. I am not talking about postive thoughts.

I am talking about not taking shit from people.

I am not going to do what I think is wrong, if they can not teach me why it is right. And what they do is they try and make their point by saying they are right while doing wrong, then making the point by saying, look that person is in a hard place, he must be bad, when they do the bad to put them there. It is over and over, done many times.

Either roll over, or don't take shit, but it is not only about feeling happy, it is about finding happiness while flying the bird at what is wrong, that can not, or refuses to explain why it claims to be right while doing wrong. If it is unable to teach its point of view, it probably knows it is wrong.

I am saying while you stand up and do not accept wrong, also find happiness in things. It is not about blind happiness, it is about finding happiness, while standing with what you, by best thoughts and feelings think is best.


So sure I post lots of songs I like, and find much joy in things like music from much singers, but I also post what I think and express my thoughts both in text, and in what I will and will not do in life.

[gristy]

20. You make some interesting points here.

[Mind_your_head]

9. This CATASTROPHE is going to affect ME and YOU ....DIRECTLY.

It's going to change everything!

I hope you like "change" b/c it's a'comin' ~ like it or not.

[RandomThoughts]

19. I am not worried about it.

As I said, there are things that should have been corrected that have not been, and fear of some bad thing is not going to change my view on that.

That is how fear tries to work, same thing as a bully with a club, and not what I think people should back down to, because if they do, then they give there power to the bully, and that is how the bully continues.

I am going to state my reasons, and live within what I think is best, while trying to learn, but I am not going to do what I think is wrong because someone wants some special treatment they have not shown me they have earned. Especially when they say they want things in secret without being able to teach their argument.

[live love laugh]

26. Good for YOU. So why can't others respond the way they choose? nt

[RandomThoughts]

23. And one more thing.

There has been change needed for awhile, so things not changing is not acceptable.

And as far as things having changed in the last few years, not by my observations or by where I am, so screw that, just because news stories say things are changing does not mean they are.

And of coarse my life is suppose to change, that is part of the point!

And within balance of self, part of the reason I do post and do stand for what I believe, because there are some things that need correcting, and they have not happened, so of coarse thing will change in my life, and for the better, because I do not accept any other outcome.

It is ridiculous to assume that some subsistence life is where people are suppose to be, and it is not what I accept. Things will change for the better, and you are right, my life will change also, but not by me having to agree to do what I think is wrong, which is how they wanted me to change my life. "You can have what you should have, just lie or steal or be mean", I am not going to do that by intent when I can avoid it, but I am going to have what I should have, and not by having to do what the system says you have to do.

And well I will tell you this, my life will change and I am not going to be the person mean or lying thinking that will make it happen, because that is not how I want to be. But things will get better.

And if I do not like it, it will change again. And I think I will like it and it will be better, because I don't accept a system that is crap that tries to get you to think you have to be mean or lie to be prosperous, and that system is crap.

[Bluebear]

25. okie dokie

[Skittles]

28. I want some of whatever he is on

I suspect it makes life much easier; I'd always have this expression:

[RandomThoughts]

29. That is from a good episode.

I also heard the actor was a pretty good man from a poster here that knew him personally.

But the character in that story, and his role as the corner trainer, and some of his other roles, but not all of them, are some good stories. He has some roles I disagree with, but that episode I enjoy thinking on.

And I respect librarians, and also like his expression, there is much in that expression.

Besides, he was also the penguin, so there is also that. :D And that means different things to different people.

Interesting info on him from wiki.

He held the rank of Captain.


I only know of a few of his roles, but they got me to think on things, he made my world a little better and helped me to think and feel, and buck up when in more difficult times.

And I would also hope you never see the desolation of this episode, but there is some truth in it also hard to explain but it actually is a transitioning to a different way of thinking not shown in the episode, although I see it as not trying to escape in the books, but bringing the books into your life, and working on the larger problems spoken of by him at the end. There is much to it. The ending needs a different way to look at it to see it differently, but do agree it shows how things are about more then an individual. It is also a real story in metaphor. heh, the corner of the roof. It also has some fear in it, people should not fear hate, but that is part of that story. Really good episode, more cautionary I think, but a good episode.
http://www.cbs.com/classics/the_twilight_zone/video/index.php?pid=dxQGcjgGKep5duXVzEKJFKteKLutQsFP

If you have 30 minutes and you have not seen it, this is one of the best twilight zone episodes.
http://www.cbs.com/classics/the_twilight_zone/video/?pid=yoOMIq0utv_XnymFmH6948IuIbbMyOkI&play=true

The other two episodes of TZ he was in, I think are views from other doctrines and disagree with them, but understand them from a different perspective.



In one of the episodes he escaped into the books, in the other he brought his beliefs and thoughts part from books, into his actions and statements. I think that is an interesting contrast. In one episode he hid, in another he stood up. Very poignant


(And 'state' can be about many forms of control.)

[Bluebear]

30. Look at all the pretty unicorns...

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. ...

:crazy:

[Feron]

17. Louisianans know we will be abandoned.

As it is, we get a half assed response from BP and the feds. The Coast Guard is quickly becoming just as reviled as the Corpse of Engineers. They act like this cleanup operation is a big inconvenience to them.

If this had happened off the coast of California, Arnold and local leaders wouldn't have to beg for help.

It's truth and it ain't nice.

I know I've been posting a lot of Garland stuff lately, but he says it so much better than I ever could:
http://www.wwl.com/pages/7155465.php

[Swamp Rat]

22. Yes we do

I was about to post Garland's letter in GD, but maybe you'll want to do that.

[Karenina]

31. WHY doesn't Louisiana get the same protection as the Shetlands?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x470575

[Swamp Rat]

33. I have wondered about this for years.

Every other country I have visited, from Norway to Spain, from Canada to Brasil, people have asked me this question.

America is going down hill very fast, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Union to dissolved within my lifetime... we already have an apartheid state: Arizona. I expect Texas to follow their example.

It might be in Louisiana's best interests, after all this environmental damage and DECADES of lack of federal support, to secede from the Union, and then charge über high tariffs on ships and goods going up the Mississippi River.

[hedgehog]

38. While it may be possible to clean up a small percentage of the birds involved,

I don't think there is any way to remove the bulk of the oil from the eco-system. Booms just allow us to clean the stuff on top of the water. Since the marshes, water surface and deep water are all tied together, there's going to be problems until the oil is somehow diluted or absorbed.

Even if a hundred mile sand berm were constructed today, what happens during the next hurricane?

I think suggesting that California would get a better deal is foolish. California went through a relatively minor oil spill back in 1969 and opted to close its off-shore waters to oil drilling.

The only Louisiana government official who even came close to suggesting that Louisiana has some responsibility in all this was the parish president who asked Obama to lift the current emergency ban on new drilling.

Look around at your local politicians and ask how many insisted that drilling was safe and that the Federal government should loosen restrictions. Then come around and complain about the Federal response.

[snake in the grass]

27. Perhaps...

...due to the extinction level event taking place in the Gulf of Mexico? I'm surprised you haven't heard about it yet.

[L0oniX]

36. Yea ...you're right. Don't worry ...be happy.

:eyes:

[Kablooie]

6. It's so bizarre. 2012. Geez.

[Echo In Light]

35. Difficult not to have that looming overhead

[BeFree]

21. Why will they will die

These people live off the bounty of the Gulf. For generations their sole income has come from fishing and plucking jewels from the sea. Those jewels will be gone and will never recover to anything close to the present abundance.

Their way of life has been destroyed. It's not like they can move to Atlanta and fish, eh?

They can't get another job that matches anywhere near the money or the joy that they take from working outdoors on the sea.

[flyarm]

24. And it is about to hit SW Fla..

I just heard from other Floridians >.Sarasota has declared emergency.


Oil Forecast: Spill drifting toward Florida's West Coast; 120 miles from Tampa Bay
Source: WFSFCS West Florida Continental Shelf forecast

WFSFCS West Florida Continental Shelf forecast of surface trajectories for Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill

120-hour Forecast, May 30, 2010 - June 3, 2010

An arm of the oil slick appears to have exited the Loop Current and is drifting eastward aided by onshore winds.

By June 3, oil is predicted to be 120 miles off the coast of Tampa Bay and Florida's west coast.

Read more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CO-dw0fsTU

[blindpig]

34. We must kill capitalism

It is surely killing us.