What would people be saying if Obama had

[Jokinomx]

pushed BP aside already... and those put in place to take care of the problem have the same problems stopping this gusher as BP. Then everyone would be saying...WHY did you stop the "experts" from doing what the LAW says... that the company or companies responsible for the oil gusher need to solve this mess.

From what I have heard is other companies have stated BP is doing what it can. Now the real reason this happened in the first place was the lax regulations and cozy attitudes the BUSH administration allowed to evolve as he was pRez.

It is obvious now that we needed more oversight... just as we did in the banking collapse....

Do you see a pattern here.... deregulation leads to bad bad things.

I don't blame Obama with this mess one iota. The laws were set in place after the Exxon Valdez fiasco. BP is to deal with this. That is the law.

The clean up is another story... Obama should be moving mountains to get the equipment down to the gulf.

He should be hiring more workers to clean up... more tankers to fill.... pay them with our money if we have too.... and give the bill to BP.

Lastly... isn't it ironic that the Repugs are saying the government is doing enough!! So much for allowing the "markets" to take care of themselves. You can't have it both ways.

That is my take....


Peace

[Andy823]

1. I agree.

No matter what the president does, he will be attacked by the right, and the media will jump in to help the right do the attacking! I also agree that it's time to do whatever it takes to get this mess cleaned up. In another post a couple of days ago it was pointed out that there are some "oil skimmers" that can separate the oil from the water and capture like 97% or so of the oil. EPA says the amount of oil that goes back in the water it to much, but in times like this I think not allowing these rigs to work is simply insane! Taking 97% of the oil out of the water is a hell of a lot better that having it all in the water! I am sure the president can make an executive order to allow an exemption in this case.

I still think the problem, as was pointed out in another thread I read, is that BP did not want to do what needed to be done because they want to re-open this well in the future, and they did not want to have to spend millions to do so. Now I think they know they need to stop in no matter what, and the president needs to make sure that any help offered be taken in to consideration and if what they are trying today does not work, then we need experts from around the world to help us!

[Jokinomx]

2. I agree

I am sure that BP underestimated the problem early on. That they realized that if this gusher isn't stopped, any time wasted to try to save the well would only compound the problem and costs.

I hope that they have started drilling that relieve well already and not wait to see this top kill fail b4 they start...

anyway..thanks for your input... I appreciate it.

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[aquart]

5. Hayward said they are drilling two relief wells.

Question: since relief wells are needed in case of emergency, why aren't they done to begin with?

[Jokinomx]

10. I have heard the Canadian government requires them b4 a well can be drilled...

It makes sense to me...and you and everyone else... but you know the answer..

it's all about the money...and as stated above, the Bush Oil barons made sure the Government stayed out of any regulation that might cost a bit more.

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[KonaKane]

3. "He's a tyrant assailing free enterprise!"

Or some such codswallop. And some here would cheer it.

[gateley]

4. Agree -- my only criticism of Obama during this is I think he should have had

a presser (or two) to address all the questions/charges that are being lobbed. For example "People have asked why we haven't we removed BP from this operation? Here's the reason..."

That would have prevented a lot of angst and frustration. But other that that, I'm one of the ones who believes he's doing all he can do, and doing what he feels is best.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Would the media have aired the Presser, that's what I want to know?

Obama just gave a speech in the Bay Area where he spoke about the Oil Spill and the Gulf.

Weird thing is that it wasn't televised other than on my local bay area channels.
Now why is that....?

[gateley]

14. I think they would have if he called a press conference, like he's doing tomorrow.

The SF speech was at another function, right? They did air a bit of it on MSNBC.

[Jokinomx]

19. yes... I think the admin could have done better

in getting this message out. If Obama had talked to the nation during prime time early on .. explaining the approach they had to take. It would have prevented alot of the problems he is having now.

Thanks for your input.

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[sandnsea]

6. 25,000 people working, more miles of oil booms

than have ever been used, around 1500 boats...

The problem is the media isn't telling you what is being done.. not that nothing is being done.

[Jokinomx]

11. I believe you...

agreed.... it's a massive endeavor on many levels and it's obvious we just weren't prepared for such a disaster.

Sad but True

[librechik]

7. Here's a clue: (Clean Water Act provides for $4300 fine /barrel of pollution)

so, no officer, I have NO IDEA how many barrels have leaked.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/25/869677/-Civil-fine-for-oil-spilled-so-far-could-total-$13-billion

[Jokinomx]

12. Exactly!!

Thanks for the information.... it's all about the money.

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[paparush]

17. DING! F_CKING DING!

[KT2000]

9. Agree!

Just where is he expected to find a team of experts.
We have to get it through our skulls that the government cannot duplicated the expertise and knowledge of every technology that is occuring in this country, such that it can step in and take over.

[metapunditedgy]

13. Wake me up when the Justice Dept takes away the negligent/greedy execs'

fortunes and throws them in jail.

Until then, it's all just theater and nothing will change.

[Jokinomx]

18. yep... you are correct. These guys won't suffer one bit... but

there will be changes that hopefully will put our country on a different track. More efforts will be made to find alternatives to oil.

This is the evolution of mass consciousness. It's a slow process.

But it will happen... maybe even in my lifetime.

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[blindpig]

15. Not the point

Use the BP equipment and personal under government supervision.

Expropriate BP without compensation.

Tony Hayward to the Hague.

Worrying about political considerations in this situation is obscene.

[Jokinomx]

16. you may be correct...however

the law says different... and a top General in the Army stated they don't have the expertise... but they could be doing better in the people management around the Gulf.

The government could take over and take just as long and do just as poor a job because there wasn't a plan in place.

Throw some people in jail... I completely agree.....

If this was China... the top people would have been executed already.

But ... we aren't China and I believe this administration has been doing what it can considering the complexity of the issue.

Thanks for your comments..

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