Howard Fineman just quoted Donna Brazile regarding the White House and the oil spill

[eleny]

On Countdown with Olbermann he related that she said to him about the administration, "Where is the fierce urgency of now?".

Even Donna Brazile. :cry:

[Taverner]

1. I know...

:cry:

[FrenchieCat]

2. Donna is from LA.......

and I don't recall any big Donna Brazile fans on this site.....

But I'm sure she will have some now.

[eleny]

6. Maybe you need to take her comments up with her, FC

DU isn't the problem.

[FrenchieCat]

9. Only part of......

[eleny]

17. Remind me how we caused the spill... I forget

FC, my opinion is that people who unquestioningly support any administration are a problem. They allow administrations to get away with too much.

I've been pushing presidents since LBJ and don't plan on stopping now. You support, promote and vote them into office and then you use your voice to pierce the D.C. bubble. We earned that right.

[FrenchieCat]

21. You are correct, you've earned the right to keep Obama's feet to the fire,

and if the fire catches and burns down your entire house,
that's gonna have to be your problem.

After Carter came Reagan, not another liberal replacement.

I'm OK with it....cause like you said, you will have earned that right.

[eleny]

24. Yes, it's being between a rock and hard place

I do think your fire analogy is hyperbole, though. It isn't only our right but our obligation. How else did we women ever got the right to vote? You have to pick your spots. It's never all or nothing. You fully support where you do support the issue and you get out the hat pin when it's an emergency.

Btw, I voted for Carter both times. His problem was that Americans blamed him instead of themselves. I for one appreciated his advice and took it to heart. Changed my ways and have been better for it ever since. He reminded me that my parents' financial advice was the best. Too many Americans didn't.

I want Obama out there speaking to all of us about the spill regularly because I trust him. And I trust myself today.

[QC]

38. Some want to hold his feet to the fire, and others want to bathe them in big, sloppy kisses. n/t

[joeybee12]

43. Good...

...the apologists here are freacking ridiculous.

[JuniperLea]

47. And still others understand that he's not Superman...

He has no power over the oilwell... we as a nation are woefully unprepared for this disaster, as is BP, obviously.

If Obama "takes control" of the situation, he takes financial and physical control... then what? What does the US have that can stop this? Do you know? Please, enlighten us all.

[Seneca]

68. Can Obama EVER do wrong in your eyes?

No wait, I already know the answer.

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[eleny]

14. Fineman reminded us that Obama lectured GW Bush on the job of government

Sounds like Brazile feels that this administration can do more as well.

[bluestateguy]

4. It's right here

http://www.whitehouse.gov/deepwater-bp-oil-spill/

[eleny]

8. Olbermann reported the BP refused to stop using the dispersant

Essentially, the EPA said to stop and BP said "no". so the EPA said they should use less.

Remind me again how the administration is doing everything it can. :eyes:

[bluestateguy]

13. You don't know what you are talking about.

And I am done with this.

[WillyT]

18. Don't Go Away Mad... Just Go Away...

:hi:

[eleny]

26. It has to be incredibly frustrating for everyone

[WillyT]

28. Yes.. It Truly Is...

:shrug:

:hi:

[aquart]

5. Gosh, everyone's noticing.

Turns out, you don't get leaders from suckups.

[laughingliberal]

62. Who'da thought? nt

[Canuckistanian]

7. Can't blame her

NOW is an important moment in time.

Obama seems to be saying "whenever"

[ChairmanAgnostic]

10. yup. tis true, tis true.

and makes me sadder as this travesty continues.

Obama looks more and more distracted and unconcerned. Wrong move.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

11. yup. tis true, tis true.

and makes me sadder as this travesty continues.

Obama looks more and more distracted and unconcerned. Wrong move.

[WillyT]

12. Oh Come On !!! - She's An Alarmist And A Well Known Obama Basher !!!

Or maybe she sees the same thing we see, and doesn't want to get used to it.

Hmm...

:evilgrin:

K & R !!!

:hi:

[Individualist]

56. and a tea partier and a freeper!

[Qutzupalotl]

67. Actually, she is friends with Karl Rove.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A2674-2003Mar9
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/27/the-donna-brazile-karl-rove-connection/

[Swamp Rat]

15. "Where is the fierce urgency of now?"

:kick:

[Mimosa]

16. I love Donna! She is SMART and she is always on the side of good!

She's right.

Everybody sees the lack of urgency. I just watched Admiral Thad Allen. He was evasive and is all about letting BP dictate the strategy. Allen deliberately fudged the difference between temporary berms and permanent berms.

Somebody PLEASE tell me: could the delay be because the federal government doesn't have the money to use to pay for expensive fast operations?

[polichick]

19. She chose her words well. The president has shown precious little "urgency." nt

[JuniperLea]

20. If Obama takes over, WE have to pay for this...

That's what I'm seeing... a carefully crafted fencing match... Obama needs to put the pressure on without taking over. BP will have all sorts of excuses not to pay if Obama insinuates the US into this FUBAR.

He needs to tighten the thumb screws on BP, no question.

[eleny]

27. The Coast Guard spokesman said we don't have the means to do it but BP does

So taking over may not be possible. I agree with you.

[JuniperLea]

46. Legally and logistically, our hands are tied...

Thanks for being a single beacon of understanding here!

If we take responsibility, we take full financial and physical responsibility. If we do that without the means to actually fix this, we're screwed on many levels. I'm pretty damn sick of people assuming "Obama has the power" to do anything and everything. He's not superman... that meme works harder for the RW than it does for us.

Time to put the thumb screws on BP! Time to put air-tight regulations on past, present, and future offshore oil wells. I'm not completely sure all of the abandoned wells have been properly secured. We can't trust these asshats with anything.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

50. You make good points but I don't see how we get the bill

Assuming the government had equipment, people and know-how just standing around waiting for this to happen adn it was on our dime and BP didn't offer up so much as a roll of single-ply paper towels why wouldn't we still do what needed to be done and then see them in court for damages and punitive fines?

[JuniperLea]

51. Why would you expect BP to pay for something they cannot control?

We could fuck it up worse than they are, and they'd have to pay anyway? That's not how life works.

Whoever dances to the music must pay the piper... BP is doing a solo performance right now...

Clearly NO ONE, the US or BP, or anyone else in the world for that matter, has a sound resolution to this, nor the equipment to make it happen. So, not only is BP the only dancer, but they are dancing in the dark. Yet another instance where the good ol' USA is screwed for lack of an exit strategy.

The big problem is... there is no known solution, and BP's efforts could easily be more about saving some of the oil, or saving future use of that particular well, rather than plugging the damn thing up. Perhaps they do know how to make it stop... if you're going to "assume" something, seems to me this is the safer bet.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

53. I'm thinking sort of like the Toyota acceleration issue...

...if you get hurt from their car you put the cost on your dime (insurance if you're lucky) but you don't delay treatment until your lawsuit against them comes through.

You last paragraph is dead-on, I think.

[JuniperLea]

54. Okay, let's use the Toyota deal as an analogy...

Who would be culpable for damages if Chrysler stepped up and said, hey, we can fix your Toyota acceleratin issue better than Toyota... and they "fixed" it, but made it worse. Who is responsible for the worsening issue? Toyota, or Chrysler? Who should be made to pay?

If Obama steps up and says, STFU, I've got this... he has it... he has all of it... he owns it... financially and physcially.

I'd like to see the lease language... I would imagine that BP is solely responsible. All bets are off if that's broken.

The big DU problem is that we're all arguing about this, blaming, etc., but we don't know the half of it... I'll just betcha.

[boston bean]

29. This talking point, makes me furious. the almighty dollar is the only consideration

If that is the truth put Obama in a jail cell right now.

The Gulf is turning into a tar pit. I don't give a damn how much it costs or what legal wrangling happens later.

the USA should be in charge of cleaning it's ocean and shores. NOT BP!

No time to dilly fucking dally over who's paying.

[JuniperLea]

45. I agree... what the fuck...

People are in such an attack mode you can't say a fucking thing around here without being snapped at.

I agree... I'm just saying, this is the mindset, right or wrong (and we know it's wrong) that's what it is. Now, what makes more sense? Bashing a fellow DUer over the head with this bullshit, or talking about it... brainstorming... and thinking of something better to do?

Jesus fucking Christ... I brainstorm for a fucking living... it's a valid process... I'm sick of this shit.

[merh]

31. I'm sorry, where the hell do you get that "we will have to pay for this"

if the Government actually does something more than let BP continue to do "not enough".

Those of us who live on the Gulf Coast, those folks in Louisiana bayous and marshes, the wildlife, the marine life - we are all paying for it each and every stinking day.

There is no fencing match, there is no chess game - there is a disaster that needs action - the admin's sense of urgency should have been felt on April 20 - just like it was for all of us who live on the Gulf of Mexico.

[boston bean]

33. I have seen some on here basically saying residents of the gulf coast don't deserve gov't

intervention because they are a red state, that believes in the private sector.

Wanted to puke when I read that too. I wonder if they felt that way during Katrina?

[merh]

34. Sadly, many did appear to feel that way after Katrina.

There was a great deal of crap about us "red staters" deserving what we got, we let Bush win and that kind of crap.

[rudy23]

35. YES! It was said very often during Katrina. Many revealed themselves to be Placists.

It was thoroughly disappointing. We were red staters to the Dems who felt no empathy for us, and blue New Orleanians to Repukes who felt no empathy for us.

We conveniently slipped through the cracks, and we're being ignored once again by two political parties who have no use for us.

[Dappleganger]

41. I read those comments, too.

Made me want to :puke:

[Individualist]

58. +1

They're behaving exactly like republicans did after Katrina.

[laughingliberal]

64. I saw some cheer for Obama's plan to allow offshore drilling cause it was only red states...

Apparently, they forgot Virginia and Florida went for Obama. Way to reward them!!!

I wondered how you keep the red state oil spill out of the Blue States' oceanfront.

[QC]

39. Well said! n/t

[JuniperLea]

44. Please pay attention to what Obama is saying

I'm not saying he's right, I'm saying I understand where this stance is coming from.

[JuniperLea]

52. Please enlighten me...

What action needed to be taken that hasn't?

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[laughingliberal]

63. We don't have to pay for it if Obama takes over. A ridiculous and erroneous argument. nt

[howaboutme]

22. What we Americans need to understand

is that most everyone in Congress and government is on the take from multi-national bankers, multi-national lobbyists, and multi-national corporations. Multi-national means the USA people aren't close to being number one priority. Hell the most powerful and feared lobby in OUR Congress works for the benefit of another nation. How do you think that works out for the USA?

Our government has become subservient to interests of money and power and those representing other nations. I'm starting to believe Obama is just a figurehead. He rants and raves and does nothing. He ranted about AIG and Wall street, and DOJ just now decided they won't even prosecute the scoundrel of AIG that Forbes and/or Times said was most responsible for the economic collapse. This irrationality has cost dearly at least four yet to be born generations of Americans.

They could solve the regulatory problems of Wall Street and oil companies today if they would criminally charge a dozen oil company and Wall Street CEOs and the past and present government cabinet and department heads SEC/Treasury/Fed Reserve/ responsible for the oversight. Tar and feathered them all and then send them to prison for 20 years just on principle as the Chinese would do. It would forever change the "risk benefit psyche ratio" for executives who believe they can take risks without a down side.

[FrenchieCat]

23. What we Americans have to understand that for the last 30 years,

the motto as been that of smaller government!

So that's what we have now...and with that comes limitation.

Of course, most aren't grown up to admit this....
they just want what they want when they want it; fuck the reality of anything.

I think we will get what we deserve, and judging from the panic that is being felt on the Internet;
we don't deserve a goddamn good thing.

[boston bean]

25. How will letting BP handle all aspects turn the tide of smaller government?? nt

[eleny]

30. You remember hearing the words of FDR...

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself".

Assurance and reassurance are what presidents can offer. I believe that it's something that's needed now. I've read replies to my postings of today where the underlying message is one of appearance. So as the administration takes action it's important for our president to tell us. Given the choice, who do you want to hear from - Salazar & Napolitano or President Obama? FC, I'd bet huge money on what I think your answer would be.

When presidents speak - everyone listens. And our guy has what it takes.

[FrenchieCat]

32. I don't think many here have "a guy".....

just a whipping boy.

[freddie mertz]

36. Speak for yourself, FC.

I am getting sick to death of your argument that we don't "deserve" your precious Obama because we dare to expect or demand better from him.

Obama was elected to serve US. ALL of us, even those who did not vote for him.

It is called "democracy."

"Not just red states, not just bluye states, but the United States," to adapt a famous phrase.

HE is the one who told us he could do the job.

Now, at a time of truly national and global emergency, it is time to DO it.

Politics be damned.

[Vinnie From Indy]

37. +1000

Reading some of the FC posts is like running a cheese grater along your face. Seldom right, but never in doubt!

[QC]

40. Thank you! n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

48. +1000!

Though your comment will fall on deaf ears, it is the truth. :applause:

[JuniperLea]

57. What should he do, or have done?

Please, enlighten us all.

[laughingliberal]

65. +10,000 nt

[Forkboy]

42. Try not to get a nose bleed up in that rarefied air.

[EFerrari]

49. Um, Bush grew the government more than anyone since FDR. n/t

[howaboutme]

69. In reality it has nothing to do with

"growing " the government.

But it has everything to do with growing our government so it benefits average fucking Americans instead of those elitists and those of other nations that our powerful non-USA corporate lobbies work for and bribe and gravitate too.

The US government should represent the USA only. Not fucking Mexico, not fucking Israel, not fucking China, and not fucking India. Until average Americans are given first and only dibs on everything our government provides and works for, we need to reset the priorities of politicians of all Parties.

[Individualist]

60. K&R

[Smashcut]

61. It's the fierce urgency of whatever works for the Fortune 500

:(

[laughingliberal]

66. Buddy, you said a mouthful there! nt