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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 08:58 PM
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The Buck Stops on Obama’s Desk
The Buck Stops on Obama’s Desk
by Lewis Seiler & Dan Hamburg
Lewis Seiler is president of Voice of the Environment. Dan Hamburg, a former US congressman, is executive director.
May 22, 2010

One of the hopeful promises Barack Obama made to the country in 2008 was that if elected, his administration would reinstitute science-based decision making. We had all heard the stories of how, under George W. Bush, science was regularly compromised in the interests of big business. The BP blowout in the Gulf of Mexico, and events in the aftermath of this epic catastrophe, demonstrates how little has changed.

In his State of the Union address this past January, President Obama made clear that drilling in the OCS (Outer Continental Shelf) would be a central part of his "energy program". And then, ironically just a few weeks before a BP rig turned into a fountain of flame and sank, Obama announced that new offshore oil leasing on the eastern seaboard would commence.

Obama has disappointed in many ways, but none more than in the way he has handled this issue. Because once the oil began to spill, so did the beans on how his administration's MMS (Minerals Management Service) is really no better than the one presided over by his predecessor. Maybe there's less cocaine and booze, fewer golf and ski junkets, but the overall functioning of this critical agency has not improved. According to Kierán Suckling, director of the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD), "MMS has given up any pretense of regulating the offshore oil industry. The agency seems to think its mission is to help the oil industry evade environmental laws."

In a recent article published on May 7 by the New York Times, Ian Urbina discusses the continued abandonment of science-based decision making at MMS. "Managers at the agency have routinely overruled staff scientists whose findings highlight the environmental risks of drilling, according to a half-dozen current and former agency scientists." One scientist, who has worked for the minerals agency for more than a decade, put it this way: "You simply are not allowed to conclude that the drilling will have an impact."

On the same day the Times story broke, we learned in a press release from CBD, that the MMS had approved 27 gulf drilling operations after the BP disaster, exempting these operations from environmental review!

Meanwhile, inexplicably, BP remains in charge of the situation. They decide who are the "legitimate interested parties" to information. (Obviously, this does not include the general public!) For example, air monitoring along the shore and over the sea is being done by an organization called The Center for Toxicology and Environmental Health, hired and paid by BP. BP has also determined what kinds of chemical dispersants to use. They chose the eerily labeled Corexit, and sprayed at least 600,000 gallons of it on the sea. If by "corrects it" we mean hides it, as in "out of sight, out of mind", they chose wisely. However, it turns out that Corexit is also, according to the EPA, "carcinogenic, mutagenic, and highly toxic." EPA has ordered BP to change to a less toxic dispersant but significant damage has already been done.

Read the full article at:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/05/22-6


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:02 PM
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:03 PM
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2. Yes, this is happening and it's abominable.
I guess they are our real government.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:12 PM
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3. K&R. This crisis proves what a weak, ineffective leader Obama is.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:18 PM
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6. I guess we will find out by the 2012 elections.
Maybe you will find out how wrong your are. Most people in the world think he is a great leader. In a short time Obama has accomplished more than Bush Jr. did in eight years. I will still be posting in 2012, will you still be here?
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:33 PM
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53. Surely not a legitimate person who posts on this board would have thought BHO would not win in
2012 in a breeze, but the ratification of such a number of junior's policies and actions, all disastrous/wholly corrupt from the git-go, boggles the mind of even his most ardent supporter and the failure to early clean house at this wholly corrupt oversight agency all the while pushing for more offshore drilling, will make this unfolding catastrophe solely his in the eyes of many. :P
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 11:20 PM
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61. Obama can't shut up with the "I'm still for offshore drilling" crap.
Edited on Sun May-23-10 11:24 PM by breadandwine
Everything he's doing on the oil leak is consultant driven.

If it was Bobby Kennedy he'd be pouring through Federal statutes looking for an excuse to get in there and kick ass, seize assets, take over the situation, send down Federal marshals, arrest people, put a political or executive gun to BP's head. Don't forget that Al Capone was nailed on tax evasion.

Obama is a wimp, wimp, wimp.



The killer is that Obama talks about what "we're" doing ... "We're" putting down X miles of booming etc. as if he and BP are joined at the hip, having a mind-meld.




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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:13 PM
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4. oh come on now..we must`t talk back to our masters...
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:17 PM
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5. I'm sick of the blaming of President Obama for BP's disaster and imminent demise.
Folks, I'm on the Gulf Coast and there is nothing that can be done. That's pitifully true. There is no way to clean up the marshlands and save the wildlife. Nothing to do but watch the destruction and wait for Mother Nature to clean it up, whenever and however is out of our hands. There's nothing the government can do, nothing the military can do.

And to blame Obama for the MMS when that's been their MO for at least 25 years, and probably 75, is just ridiculous. People want to blame, blame our corrupt political system that has given the oil industry a pass since the 1920's. The only people that ever stood up to them were Presidents Kennedy and Carter -- and see what happened to them. Barack Obama had been in office for 15 freaking months when this happened. It's not like he had a lot of time to deal with MMS what with saving the entire economic system and fighting for healthcare. Blame Salazar? Maybe, I don't know. But leave Barack alone. It happened and there's no technology to stop the leak, no technology to keep the oil from coming ashore, and no technology to save our Gulf coastline, wetlands and marshes, and all the destruction of wildlife. It may be the biggest disaster in the history of the planet before it's over.

Somebody at BP, SEVERAL people at BP should go to prison. Halliburton and Transocean should be liable. Every one of these corrupt corporations should be out of business over this. Everyone of these companies are headquartered overseas. BP obviously in the UK, but both Halliburton and Transocean were Houston-based corporations until they relocated their headquarters to Dubai and Switzerland, respectively, for tax-evasion purposes. Throw the book at them and outlaw any further drilling in U.S. waters -- but blaming the Obama Administration is just misplaced, offbase and crazy. A lot of people feel desperate that something must be done -- but we don't have the submarines for this job, or any of the technology necessary. The only hope is with the oil companies, and they've got no solutions even though they are the responsible parties.

At this point, all we can hope for is that Kevin Costner's contraptions work. How sad is it that that may be the only hope?

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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:27 PM
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7. "Throw the book at them and outlaw any further drilling in U.S. waters" -- Obama won't do either,
so who do you suggest should?
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:39 PM
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9. Hide and watch. This deal isn't over. In fact, it's barely begun. nt
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:24 PM
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29. Again, who do you suggest should?
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:31 PM
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8. Then it doesn't matter one iota who we elect then does it?
Excuses and deflection. Wiping and dangling.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:45 PM
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15. By who the people who blame Barack Obama? Cheney is your criminal here.
He needs to be put under oath about his secret deals with the oil companies in 2001. And there's no doubt in my mind that the Congress will get to this, unless the Republicans gain control in November. Pray to God, or wish upon a star, that they don't.

Obama blamers play right into the hands of the right-wing. You better support this guy or the teabaggers will be running this country as fast as Ronald Reagan took over from Jimmy Carter. It was Democrats in Congress, notably Robert Byrd and Teddy Kennedy on opposite ends of the party, who were responsible for Jimmy Carter's loss. Keep it up with Obama and see how you like President Right-Wing Nut in 2012.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:27 PM
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31. So Cheney gets put under oath. Then what? He'll lie through his teeth, he'll refuse to speak, he
won't show up, or maybe he'll show up, detail all his crimes, laugh, thumb his nose at Congress, and stroll out like the free criminal he is thanks to Obama giving him a pass and Obama's DOJ giving him a pass.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:49 PM
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16. There's nothing that can be done about it
ARe you claiming there is nothing like that in the universe?

That everything can be solved by the US government and every accident prevented - by the US government?

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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 11:00 PM
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56. as opposed to.....???
Where is ANYONE claiming "that everything can be solved by the US government and every accident prevented - by the US government?"

Nowhere. No one.

Rather we are hearing every libertarianism argument in the book arguing against government intervention anywhere at any time on every thread.

Even if people were doing what you claim - calling for too much government intervention and expecting too much - so what? It might counterbalance just a tiny bit of the relentless avalanche of libertarian propaganda going the other way. What a refreshing change that would be!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:39 PM
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10. If you are waiting for Mother Nature to clean it up, I hope you have
Edited on Sat May-22-10 09:39 PM by Cleita
a few hundred years at the very least.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:52 PM
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17. That's the problem -- there's no option but to let nature take its course.
Unless somebody gets busy inventing a way to get sludge out of the marshlands, it's essentially hopeless. I've heard that setting fire to the wetlands and habitats may be the only way. But in my opinion that's way worse than doing nothing. That's losing a war to win a battle.

The people who want Obama to clean it up need to tell us their plan.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:56 PM
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18. Well, let's see, he has the US Treasury, the whole military at his command
Edited on Sat May-22-10 10:23 PM by Cleita
and legal tools to bring these culprits out into the sunlight and come up with some solutions. But I don't seem him doing it. Maybe on Monday we might see a plan. Will we see him come out in the Rose Garden at a news conference and let us in on it? I hope so.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:21 PM
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26. :crickets:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:24 PM
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28. Thanks I needed the laugh.
:rofl:

I love your new avatar incidentally.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:37 PM
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35. Thank you
totally stolen from a mari333 post lol
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 11:05 PM
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57. I like it
Can I use it?
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Lagomorph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 11:15 PM
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60. The treasury is full of IOU's...
...the military is far better at blowing up oil platforms, than putting out fires and plugging the leaks. There is a dearth of assets that can work a mile underwater. We've been inching into deeper watch, for decades, with the bleeding edge of our technology. I'm guessing, but I'll bet that everything that could do the job will have to be invented on the fly.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:39 PM
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11. Thank you. You should really post that as its own thread.
I'm so sorry.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:57 PM
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19. The article seems more to be about MMS than BP, and I would agree with you IF and only IF
Obama hadn't come out just recently to approve more off-shore drilling. In doing so he has given the impression that he is aware of and satisfied by the job MMS is doing. If he had come out a few weeks ago and said instead that a review of MMS and related agencies and data was required before approving further wells, OR if he had not come out and approved anything or said anything, I could give him that he simply hadn't had the time and so on to review the agency adequately.

However, he DID come out and approve more off-shore drilling. Don't you think he should've taken the time to review, and replace as necessary, the Bush cronies and other MMS jerks, as well as properly review procedures and data before okaying off-shore drilling in some lame effort to get repubs to vote positively on his energy bills?
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:19 PM
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24. All I know that he did was approve the addition of limited offshore drilling to the Climate bill.
And only because the bill was stalled and it appeared to be the only way to get it through the Senate. I certainly think that ANY new drilling is dead, dead, dead now. And I think OLD drilling is on the bubble. I've heard several Senators say the same thing. The offshore drilling compromise was BEFORE the oil spill. I hope to goodness the Senate can pass an Energy/Climate Change bill now without kowtowing to the oil & gas industry. One would hope, anyway!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:21 PM
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27. I'm sick of him acting like he's hardly interested in this.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:28 PM
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32. Acting? n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:37 PM
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34. touche
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:33 AM
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44. Disinterest is politically necessary
If he shows he's overly interested, pretty soon he will be the one held accountable. His challenge is to strike the right balance between showing interest so that he's not considered insensitive, and disinterest to keep people from putting full responsibilty on him.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:52 AM
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45. Fine, then he is a politician and nothing more if that's his attitude.
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:20 AM
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46. That's just how his administration
is playing it imo. That's why it's putting out so little information. I'm not sure that strategy will work over the long run. As this crisis continues, and as people realize there was no planning for a disaster of this magnitude, people will hold the government, and Obama to some extent, responsible.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 11:07 PM
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58. here is an idea
How about a strategy for responding to the actual catastrophe, rather that a strategy for how to play this politically?
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:25 AM
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47. The entire eco-system of the region is at risk
but politics is OH SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT, don'tcha know! :eyes:
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:40 PM
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12. K & R
:kick:
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:42 PM
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13. Your wealth of anti-Obama articles
Edited on Sat May-22-10 09:43 PM by Codeine
is fascinating. Anything to offer besides nonstop condemnation?

Oh, wait -- this is another one of your Drive-By Specials. :puke:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:14 PM
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23. And all that you seem capable of doing is attacking the messenger.
Fairly ineffectively, at that.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:59 PM
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39. VG cod...I hv noticed it too. nt
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:57 PM
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50. +1...nt
sid
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:44 PM
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14. "How little has changed..."
Yeah, isn't it great how Bush/Cheney** only agreed to offshore oil drilling in effort to pass a broader-based environmental bill??

:eyes:

NGU.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:58 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:09 PM
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21. What utter garbage
Because once the oil began to spill, so did the beans on how his administration's MMS (Minerals Management Service) is really no better than the one presided over by his predecessor.


Facts


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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:20 PM
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25. that link
Once again your link takes us to something that is not relevant to the discussion.

You talk there of the responsibility by the Republicans and the Bush administration for the conditions that led to this catastrophe. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

No one, for all practical purposes, is saying that "this is Obama's spill" - as you claim they are. we are talking about the response by the administration, not claiming the administration caused it.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:25 PM
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30. Let's see:
Edited on Sat May-22-10 10:25 PM by ProSense
Because once the oil began to spill, so did the beans on how his administration's MMS (Minerals Management Service) is really no better than the one presided over by his predecessor.


41,700 drilling permits (5,200 annually) is the same as 346 in 16 months?

"Once again your link takes us to something that is not relevant to the discussion."

See the relevance now?

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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:41 PM
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37. no
Edited on Sat May-22-10 10:45 PM by William Z. Foster
Maybe we disagree as to what is even being discussed here. You seem obsessed with the partisan political angle to everything. I have no interest in that.

I have voted straight Democratic party ticket, and worked for candidates in hundreds of elections over 45 years.

There has never been a Democratic party politician that I have not criticized when I disagreed with them merely because they were a Democrat. The criticism the Obama administration has received has been tame and mild when compared to that received by Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, JFK, LBJ, Carter and so forth, by way of comparison. The only difference is that now we have a bunch of people who whine continually and who want to protect the current administration from any and all critical commentary, and who relentlessly attack critics and dissidents.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:36 PM
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54. Exactly! Don't let the facts get in your way!
Stay on message!
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 11:14 PM
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59. I will
Here is my message:

The response to this catastrophe needs to be federalized.

It is unacceptable to privatize the emergency response.

The facts presented by the other poster are fine, but unrelated to the issue. Now IF people were merely trying "to tear Obama down" then perhaps those facts would be relevant - "see! He is not such a bad guy!" But I am not "tearing Obama down." I am making a specific recommendation for a specific policy direction, in response to the catastrophe.

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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:29 PM
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33. in the Gulf of Mexico
sure
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:02 PM
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40. I LOVE facts WUG! nt
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robinblue Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:12 PM
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22. K and R. Thanks
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:39 PM
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36. Obama has proven that he has NOT listened to Al Gore who said we MUST break our dependence on oil
once and for all.

I'll bet Gore is pissed off big time at Obama for kissing up to big oil like he is doing!

Watch the movie "The 11th Hour".

It's an excellent film that shows that it's up to us to educate others so that ALL OF US can work together to stop the greedy corporate mo fos from continuing to rape our planet!

We must start by telling Obama that we've had ENOUGH of his corporate ass kissing and fiddle farting around about this oil gusher!!!



Brutal REALITY & TRUTH from the article in the OP: We are risking the future of the planet and our species by allowing this deadly ruse to go on.

:grr:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:57 PM
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38. k/r
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:10 PM
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41. That's his job.
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/buckstop.htm

In his farewell address to the American people given in January 1953, President Truman referred to this concept very specifically in asserting that, "The President--whoever he is--has to decide. He can't pass the buck to anybody. No one else can do the deciding for him. That's his job.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:47 AM
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42. OMG: "You simply are not allowed to conclude that the drilling will have an impact."
For a government agency? Bush's third term.
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:24 AM
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43. It's amazing how gambling on offshore drilling
can come back to bite you in the ass. And how quickly. But that's what happened to Obama. He gambled and lost. I'm sure he thought his gamble was a wise political calculation at the time, but it has blow up on him. Now he can't go back, he'd look foolish; he's locked in.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 10:03 AM
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48. As a learned, educated person he should have payed attention to the scientists and not big oil.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:57 PM
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52. yup
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:54 PM
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49. k n r
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 04:46 PM
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51. This much we cannot lay on anybody but the Obama/Salazar admin
Edited on Sun May-23-10 04:51 PM by chill_wind
and that is the aggressive legal maneuvering to get done what was only a Bush admin wet dream:

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8304092


And yes, the article is sourced in links throughout the thread.

That much this admin does indeed have to account for:

The court appeal and the categorical exemption given by this admin to this company's adventure that led to this catastrophe.

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