Everyone chill the f@#k out!

[Barack_America]

My first photoshop ever. I feel it nicely sums up my concerns and criticisms of the situation.

[WeDidIt]

1. .

[Lerkfish]

13. says the expert.

[Catshrink]

2. Nice

Here's some more inspiration -- the second one especially -- from despair.com

[WeDidIt]

6. I hope BP doesn't find out somebody is violating their trademark.

You know they'd sue.

[scarletwoman]

17. Oooo. Is that a threat? "Nice little post you've got there, be a shame if anything were to happen

to it..."

[WeDidIt]

22. Whoooooooooooooosh!

I went to the site you cite. They sell stuff. If they are selling T-shirts like that, you know damned well and good BP will sue for trademark violation.

Don't try to claim they won't.

[scarletwoman]

24. Uh, I'm not the person who posted the T-shirt site.

"Wooosh" your own self.

[WeDidIt]

25. Excuse me.

I mistook you for the person who posted those. I apologize for that mistake.

The one with the oil on the logo is obviously fair use and could never be confused with an actual BP logo. That one cannot be litigated.

But the other one opens up a good argument that it *could* be confused with an actual BP logo and statement, thus a good case for trademark infringement could be made.

It's not that I wold support such a thing, but I know how corporations operate and I further understand the need to vigorously defend the integrity of a trademark. The only thing that might stop a BP lawsuit against Despair, Inc. would be weighing it against what it might cost in PR, though that may not be of much concern to them these days.

[Octafish]

36. Posts burn.

Especially Original Posts.

[scarletwoman]

49. ...!

:rofl:

OMG, do you have any idea how much I LOVE those guys! Perfect, absolutely perfect!

:hug:
sw

[Catshrink]

29. I thought of that too...

despair.com uses other corporate logos also:

[WeDidIt]

31. Of those four, only the Toyota shirt could be litigated

It's the only one that it could be argued could be reasonably confused for an actual Toyota statement and thus may not be fair use.

Like the one that uses the BP logo and says "BP, bringing oil to American Shores" could also be reasonably confused for an actual BP statement.

The one with oil on the BP logo, however, is obviously fair use.

[Catshrink]

37. Wouldn't the others be infringement?

Just curious about this - you seem to know about the law in this area.

[WeDidIt]

38. Nope, fair use.

Despair, Inc. would argue that all of them are fair use but precedent has set a standard for that which goes back to Falwell v. Flynt. If a reasonable person could conclude the use of the mark is real, then it is not fair use. Thus, if BP and/or Toyota chose to litigate, they would argue it could be reasonably concluded these were shirts sanctioned by BP and/or Toyota.

No reasonable person would conclude that BP would have oil dripping from their logo or GM would alter their logo that way. No reasonable person would conclude that Hasbro would use those cards in a game of Monopoly.

From there, it's all a business decision by the companies that are potentially being infringed upon. I'd say Despair is pushing fair use to the brink of it not being fair use basically betting the companies either won't want the publicity a lawsuit would bring or that Despair would gain much from such publicity even if they lost.

[blindpig]

39. Ya want some more? Here's some more....

Expropriate the bastards without compensation

[WeDidIt]

40. That one is obviously fair use

and could never be litigated.

No reasonable person could ever conclude that was sanctioned by BP.

[Barack_America]

42. That one is really clever. nt

[ima_sinnic]

48. so? let them sue! we WANT them to sue! let the world see even more of what BP is about

oooh, everybody hide under the bed! BP MIGHT SUE!!!!1!1

sheesh.

[Pirate Smile]

3. It is so hard to accept that some things just don't have easy black and white answers.

Throwing a tantrum is much easier then dealing with the complex, complicated, and difficult problems with no ready or easy or even known solutions.

[Barack_America]

5. "It's BP's fault". That seems to be the "sophisticated" counter-argument to my position.

[WeDidIt]

7. +1,000,000,000,000

[Webster Green]

9. Anger at BP is well placed.

They tried to save a little money by taking shortcuts and ignoring problems.

This wasn't an accident, so much as the predictable result of negligence.

They've been bullshitting us since the explosion. You should be pissed too.

[Scuba]

15. Nailed it.

[Pirate Smile]

19. I am pissed at BP. People are transferring their more then justified anger at BP to the President.

I think that just helps BP (and Republicans) and does nothing to help solve the problem.

[lonestarnot]

32. Well Mr. President did throw in with the off shore drilling didn't he?

[WeDidIt]

43. Spot on n/t

[jgraz]

47. I guarantee you one thing: the Obama White House will make sure no serious consequences befall BP

Just like with the banksters, the traitors and the torturers, Obama will play the bipartisan card and let the criminals slide.

[noise]

14. This is a crisis situation

BP should be on the sidelines and ready to help when asked. No way should they be calling any shots here.

[Pirate Smile]

21. The government doesn't know much about drilling or plugging oil wells. We don't have the equipment.

We'd be putting the Government's face on the disaster but then be contracting out for the equipment, knowledge, etc. How would that do anything but let BP look less responsible?

[Barack_America]

33. That sounds like a good reason to end all deep well drilling now, doesn't it?

If the government can't fix it, they shouldn't issue permits for it.

I know that doesn't solve the crisis at hand, but it is a crucial consideration going forward.

[rucky]

27. It's a simple question that deserves a black & white answer:

Who's in charge of this?

[ProSense]

41. It's the

simplistic outrage-at-everything-the-administration-does thinking that is preoccupying some people.

It's why the oil spill comparisons to Katrina surfaced.

What did the initial response to Katrina entail: getting people out safely and delivering food, water and shelter. The Bush administration couldn't even direct a truck of ice to the victims with competence.

In their minds, the response to and oil spill is equivalent to the basic, regardless of the scale, response required in flood, hurricane or other natural disaster.

The administration's response to Haiti might be a better comparison.

[Autumn]

4. Good summary.

I hit rec.

[Subdivisions]

8. You have Photoshop and are just now using it for the first time. Wish

I could afford Photoshop, let alone own it and not use it.

[Barack_America]

10. This is my first "non-work" usage.

I use it a ton for research images. But that's mostly just for cleaning images up, I don't get the chance to play around with photoshop too much.

[noamnety]

11. If you're wanting a free graphics program

try GIMP - it's open source, a free download.

this was my recent 5 minute photoshop statement:

[marions ghost]

26. dupe

n/t

[marions ghost]

28. nice one

:thumbsup:

[chill_wind]

12. Why, yes he does. He's now demanding daily UPDATES!

:wow:

[Barack_America]

18. Now that's lighting a fire under their asses!

:eyes:

[chill_wind]

20. Ain't THAT right.

After 30 + days, we're just now getting to this idea?

[neverforget]

35. Don't forget the bipartisan commission! DC's answer to all problems is

a "bipartisan commission". When you hear that, prepare to get screwed.

[Barack_America]

45. On the contrary, I really think we can talk ourselves out of this disaster.

We also really need to get the PR people involved in this.

For example, Hawaii is famous for its black sand beaches, why not the Gulf states too?!?!

[frustrated_lefty]

50. Reassuring, ain't it?

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[Individualist]

23. Very good!

:thumbsup:

[Barack_America]

30. Thanks.

[freddie mertz]

34. K & R. Nice job, and true in so many ways...

:patriot:

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. K & R

:evilgrin:

[WillyT]

46. K & R !!!

:evilgrin: