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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:55 PM Original message |
My driver's license required no proof of legal residence or birth certificate to obtain |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. I honestly don't remember what I had to provide in CA, that was over 20 years ago. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. not me |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
84. When I moved to California in 1979, all I had to do was surrender my |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. What state does not require proof of residence? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. California didn't until 1994 and Arizona didn't in 1994 |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. It was a long time ago... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Well, we did not and our cohorts from the late 80's and early 90's say the same |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. California must be way different... very strange... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Those are the requirements *NOW* :o) |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. There must have been a gap... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Not in the 80's and not until March 1, 1994. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. Maybe you just don't look trustworthy. |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
46. HI, IL, NM, UT, and WA |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. The AZ DOT may identify that, but |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. AZ DOT is recognizing underlying facts |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. AZ DOT is not going to be enforcing SB 1070, so their determination is not controlling /nt |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
90. What "broader exceptions"? |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
74. MA 26 years ago... supplies baptismal record and life insurance policy taken out at my birth |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
87. New Mexico allows illegal immigrants to get drivers licenses as a public safety measure. n/t |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. You didn't have to show any proof of citizenship or legal status on renewal? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Nope...never |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. I didn't when I first got a license |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I got an Arizona license in '94 and didn't need proof there either |
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MgtPA (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
38. PA didn't require any proof on renewal. All I needed was the old license and the form I received in |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
56. What do you mean by "not long ago" |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
76. Over the last 4 years or so. I know for certain that there were still states 5 years |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. I did. Originally in 1977 and again when I moved back to CA after being gone in the Navy for 10 yrs |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
6. I had to provide a birth certificate in VA in the 80's |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Because the DMV didn't care if you were a citizen or not back then |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. In New Hampshire currently you can opt |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
85. MA used to do that with the SSN too. Then they changed it so you could |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
7. Oregon just changed the rules. |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
8. I've been driving for 40 years... |
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bik0 (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
9. In Ohio it requires a SS card... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. SS card is NOT proof of citizenship /nt |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. neither is a driver's license |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. Correct... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
83. +1 |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. In AZ, it IS presumptive proof of legal presence, IF . . . |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
66. then if you have one of those driver's licenses, they don't fulfill the law's requirements |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. A passport would be as good as gold |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. A passport to visit Arizona? |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. LOLI I hear you |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
79. and those 5 states? people from New Mexico have to bring a bc or passport? |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. That's how those idiots wrote the law |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
10. To get or renew a license in NJ, you have to show 3-4 different documents, |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. You don't in California...I just renewed my license in December |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Not even your old driver's license? n/t |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Nope, not my CA driver's license in '87, not my Arizona driver's license in '94 and not CA in '96 |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. CreekDog is correct. I doubted it but checked it out. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. i lost mine; and had to show IDs to get new one |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
16. A CA driver's license is Not good enough |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Actually, a CA Driver License is considered to be sufficient by the state of AZ |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. I have no idea what your link is supposed to demonstrate |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I think you should read the law before commenting on it |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. I did read it... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. If you are still clinging to the absurd idea that a California DL won't be sufficient... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. I really don't recall making personal comments about you |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
50. Sorry, that's WRONG |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. The problem here is that people are expecting the AZ law to make logical sense |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #51 |
88. Ah, Slackmaster, my friend |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. No, That's a DOT standard for issuing driver's licenses not THIS LAW |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. If you think the state of Arizona has a separate list of acceptable state DLs, please produce it |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. It's a question of basic statutory interpretation, slack... |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
67. NO, it IS the Arizona standard, and your text was before amendment |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Is there legislative history on this point |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. Your text is pre-amendment |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
19. Maybe they havn't caught up with you yet.... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Do you read what you post? Applicants for "original California driver's license" |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
71. The link also has procedures for mail and on-line renewal |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
31. AZ doesn't really care whether or not your DL actually proves anything |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. and even so, having to prove it is un-American |
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Still Sensible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
37. I grew up in Arizona and had to bring a birth certificate |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. not required for my AZ license in 1994 |
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Still Sensible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
91. It was probably because I had to prove I was 16 |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
39. WHAT state today does not require a birth certificate to get |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Plenty |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Hawaii, Illinois, New Mexico, Utah, and Washington, according to the state of Arizona |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. You have to specify "according to the state of Arizona DOT" |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. It's still clear you still haven't read SB 1070 |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. I quoted it in this thread, slack |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
68. I was granted my first driver's license in 1978 |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
43. In Colorado, 1971, I needed a birth certificate. |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
48. Mine did |
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Michigan-Arizona (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
60. Michigan |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
62. Be glad you don't live in FL. |
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Lugnut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
65. I got my learner's permit in 1961. |
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Fla_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
69. gathergoget.com |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
70. I had to show a bunch of things including my birth certificate |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. i didn't, the point IS NOT that you did, the point is that not all of us did |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
73. K&R. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-20-10 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
89. You must not live in Florida. |
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