Ok who in here can tell me what democratic programs were miserable failures?

[mrcheerful]

I was posting in another forum about how republickers had a history of failures. And some bright republicker said they looked at both republicker and democratic failures. For the life of me I can not think of one democratic failure, outside of LBJ. From what I remember of the last 45 years is democratic failures were successful programs until repukes decided to "Fix" the programs.

[sutz12]

1. Most Democratic programs have been gutted by the R's

We haven't had any truly liberal policies enacted since the 70's. Meanwhile, the good things done by libs have been defunded, discredited, and staffed with people who genuinely hate government. Then, they blame liberals when our programs don't work. :shrug:

[mrcheerful]

2. Confusing isn't it? It's like we live in different worlds.

[MadMaddie]

3. And you have hit the nail on the head...this country is divided...

and I would hate to literally divide it but maybe in the end it wouldn't be a bad thing....

We could have the Liberal and anyone that wants to just live their lives portion of America and the Conservative Neocon side of America where they dictate to every action a person can do in their lives......

I really fear we are getting to that point....The * adminstration has seen to it to divide America even further than it was...

[Iris]

14. but are average people really divided in what they value or are we just divided by rhetoric?

I mean, if you asked most people in a noninflammatory way if they were for various social programs, they would more than likely say "yes".

[Cleita]

4. I think Clinton's welfare to work is a failure and his backing of

NAFTA, but other than that, I can't think of any social programs the Democrats have passed that are failures.

[jwirr]

15. We have not done so well in getting the poverty in inner cities to

go away. Much of that can be blamed on *ss & the many years we have had under pug leadership, but it never did reach the real poor.

[MannyGoldstein]

5. The 'Democratic' Leadership Council is a Failed Program

Unless the goal was to get Democrats out of office. As soon as the DLC took over in 1992, Dems lost elections like crazy. When Howard Dean wrested control from the DLC in 2004, we started winning elections again.

[William769]

9. Oy vey!

I'm glad I'm wearing my boots!

[Selatius]

18. You must be talking about the free trade program instituted in America by Repubs and Dems alike

It's going along fine if you count the low paying non-manufacturing/service sector jobs replacing the well-compensated manufacturing jobs that disappeared as a positive outcome.

[Chomskyite]

6. Carter's decision to arm the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan

He should not have listened to Zbigniew Brzezinski. But he did. Maybe the Soviets were drained and maybe it accelerated the Soviet collapse, but in the longer term it was ruinous.

[Richard Steele]

17. I think that worked just fine.

What -DIDN'T- work was when the next Presidents sat
idly by afterward, as a chaotic Afghanistan had
its postwar "power vacuum" slowly filled by a growing
sect of extremists calling themselves "the Taliban".

[valerief]

7. Oh, the damn civil rights and equal rights stuff just turned America

topsy turvy.
:sarcasm:

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. John Kerry's Presidential campaign

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. Yeah, but you didn't want a Democrat to win in 2004

So what does it matter.

:shrug:

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. I don't suppose you have any proof of that

Criticism of a poorly run campaign is not the same as non-support.

[alcibiades_mystery]

25. No, I'm going on feel

:-)

Interesting that you didn't deny it, though.

Cheers.

[Freddie Stubbs]

28. Of course I deny it

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. Uh huh

:rofl:

You're amusing, at the very least.

Hell, I like you.

[Kingofalldems]

27. Who are you trying to kid?

I also noticed you took time to be the first one to post about the French riots yesterday. Trying to rub it in maybe? And didn't you call Kerry a 'disgraced loser'?

[Freddie Stubbs]

29. I never called Kerry 'disgraced loser'

Why are you trying to put words in my mouth? What is your agenda?

[BlooInBloo]

10. Don't Ask Don't Tell.

[bluestateguy]

11. LBJ's Community Action Program was kind of a fiasco

Poorly organized, low participation, and undue political influence into the programs' implementation.

[papau]

21. That was the first thought that came to my mind also n/t

n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. Rolling Thunder?

:rofl:

[rasputin1952]

16. Johnson's War on Poverty failed miserably...but 'Nam was

rolling along and the R's were/are fond of defunding programs that aid(ed) Americans.

[papau]

20. "failed miserably" - in the late 70's I debated this with a Prof from Indiana - actual stats

show poverty dropping over a long period post the "war on poverty"

Can't say it was cause and effect - but I know of no stats that show it was a "failed miserably".

Parts of the program did indeed not work effectively or gave only a little bang for the buck - the 1937 program that was expanded in 1961 that led to Massive low income housing high rise ghetto's became a tax shelter gimmick - but section 8 (passed in 1974 - obviously post LBJ) is still around -allowed to do some good because the GOP never saw a tax loophole they did not like.

[rasputin1952]

22. A lot of cash was infused into the War on Poverty...

some, actually quite a lot, was skimmed off and used for other projects by various state entities. A lot like the tobacco settlement that was to go to states for underage prevention and health care for those at the poverty level.

Section 8 has been shown to have helped a lot of people, but funding is basically in urban areas, although there are other situations where it can be used.

I believe there was a drop in poverty because the war in VN had ended, and we were still a nation of producers and not quite to the point of being service oriented and consumer crazy, going into debt at such a high rate.

[illinoisprogressive]

19. NRA (National Recovery Program) new deal that got nailed by the supreme court

and also led to Roosevelt's court packing idea, he was so pissed.

[LeftCoast]

23. DOMA

The so-called Defense Of Marriage Act.

:puke:

[Javaman]

26. There seems to be an awful lot of cheerleaders on DU for Ron Paul.

I find that so weird.

[Kelly Rupert]

30. Vietnam, Great Society, Don't Ask Don't Tell,

Kennedy's Cuba policy, Clinton's Iraq policy, the Korean war, for starters.

[Renew Deal]

32. The Second Amendment

It's solid liberal policy. I don't think it's a failure, but many here will.

[LWolf]

33. NCLB. n/t

[Ghost in the Machine]

34. "Keeping their powder dry" has been pretty disastrous... n/t