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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:57 PM
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From the Nation that Brought You “Ketchup is a Vegetable”….No Care is Health Care.
Health insurers see a great big loophole in the recently passed health care reform legislation, and, being businessmen first, health care providers last, they plan to drive their Hummers right through it.

According to Robert Pear at the New York Times:

The law requires insurers to spend a minimum percentage of premiums on health care services and “activities that improve health care quality” for patients.
Insurers are eager to classify as many expenses as possible in these categories, so they can meet the new test and avoid paying rebates to policyholders.
Thus, insurers are lobbying for a broad definition of quality improvement activities that would allow them to count spending on health information technology, nurse hot lines and efforts to prevent fraud. They also want to include the cost of reviewing care by doctors and hospitals, to determine if it was appropriate and followed clinical protocols.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/health/policy/16health.html

Insurers would like us to think that they deny policies in order to prevent fraud. In recent years, they have attempted to portray health care providers as 1) greedy, 2) lying 3) bastards.

Takes one to know one.

The AMA analyzed insurance company denials back in 2008 and:

(they) found that doctors spend 14 percent of the fees they receive from insurance companies and Medicare on the process of collecting those fees, adding more than $200 billion (about ten percent) a year to the nation's healthcare costs . Sadly, about 30 percent of over 5 billion claims generated annually, are rejected, and surprisingly, only 50 percent of the rejected claims are ever resubmitted.


http://ezinearticles.com/?Medical-Billing-Denials---1-Payers-Tactic-to-Reduce-Costs-at-Providers-Expense&id=1293899

Think about this. One third of your health care is called “unnecessary” by the nation’s private insurers. Corrupt health care system? No, clever bookkeepers at Blue Cross. They know that the high cost of filing a claim with an insurer will make doctors, hospitals and other providers think twice about resubmitting a denied claim, even if the treatment was the correct one for the patient.

Here is how the math works:

Let us assume $130 for initial charge, $55 - allowed amount, $29 - service cost, $6 - claim preparation and mail, and $25 - claim rework cost. If the claim is paid in full after contractual adjustment ($75), practice total costs would add to $35 and income - $20. But if the payer denies a part of the claim, say, $30, then the provider has a choice between leaving it alone and losing $10 on the entire incident or reworking it and then taking a chance of losing even more - $35, in case of a repeat denial, or losing $5 if the payer chooses to pay the previously denied part of the claim.


That one in three number is just an average. Some insurers (such as Pacificare in California) deny an even higher percentage of claims.

http://blog.aflcio.org/2010/02/26/california-investigating-7-health-insurers-for-denying-claims-hiking-rates/

So what? If you are a health care consumer, you could care less if your provider gets paid, right? Your hospital will not reinsert your diseased gallbladder, because Aetna decided not to cover your surgery---

On the other hand, many providers are allowed to bill patients for services that insurers refuse to pay. Emergency care often falls under this category. Imagine getting a $5000 ER bill for treatment of your son’s asthma attack, because your insurance company decides not to pay. It is now up to you to beg, plead and threaten your plan into changing its mind. Or say you wake up with chest pain in the middle of the night. Your dad died of a heart attack at around your age. You call an ambulance and get taken to the closest hospital. You are admitted to the ICU and a bunch of (expensive) tests are ordered, which show that you do not have a bad heart, you have a hiatal hernia. You are sent home on Nexium. And, a few weeks later, the hospital starts asking how you intend to pay off your $80,000 bill, since Anthem has decided that heart burn was not an indication for hospital admission.

Sometimes, denial can lead to more than big bills. They can kill.

Under Hanway’s leadership, Cigna also did what for-profit insurance companies do so very well to enhance the profits that become multi-million dollar bonuses. They denied care to thousands upon thousands of policyholders, and the company profits were protected.
But some of those denied care died as a result. Nataline Sarkisyan was but one. She was 17. She needed a new liver. Cigna said no until enough nurses and enough of the family’s friends and neighbors – and a few thousand concerned citizens – protested loudly enough to make some news coverage. Then Cigna reversed itself. Even in the face of Nataline’s impending death, Hanway did what he felt was best to do to minimize damage to Cigna – not to save a teenager’s life. The negative PR became a bit much. Wendell Potter, who worked as Cigna’s communications director at the time, has said since that he watched the whole mess unfold and was one of the people advising Cigna’s leadership to reverse the denial.
But the reversal came too late. Nataline died. December 20, 2007. And for her mom and dad, no Christmas will ever be the same. The Sarkisyan’s buried their only daughter while wrapped in the love and support of their Armenian community, the nurses of the California Nurses Association and thousands of bloggers and others who tried to somehow ease the unimaginable.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2010/january/denial-of-care-profits-73-million-for-cigna%E2%80%99s-retiring-ceo

The provision of the health care reform bill which requires insurers to pay out a certain percentage of their revenues for actual medical care is designed to stem this abusive---and lucrative--- practice. However, if insurance companies can count the money they spend keeping you from getting necessary care as money spent providing you with necessary care , they will quickly expand this part of their operations. Indeed, if they lose the ability to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions, they will attempt to recoup those losses by requiring their members to jump through hoops in order to get health care.

And hoop jumping can be pretty hard for those Americans most in need of medical services.


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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:02 PM
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1. 32 years in healthcare administration taught me one thing...
...health insurance executives are mass murderers.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:12 PM
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3. +1000 nt
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:14 PM
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4. wish we could recommend comments also.
Yours hits the old nail right on the head.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:28 PM
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6. recommended -----best reply on the subject
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:11 PM
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2. K & R
"So what? If you are a health care consumer, you could care less if your provider gets paid, right? Your hospital will not reinsert your diseased gallbladder, because Aetna decided not to cover your surgery---"

True. But they could drive your healthcare provider out of business and considering how far apart hospitals can be in rural areas and small towns, that could also jeopardize your health.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:27 PM
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5. the big health-care reform is a big wet kiss to the insurance industry
that`s all i can say without being banned.

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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 11:24 PM
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10. Why? Can't we say we've been sold out and lied to about it?
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 06:34 PM
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17. Exactly.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 07:17 PM
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7. I warned my congressman that this would happen.
The law has to be very explicit. Patient in- and out-hospital care, medications, physical therapy, etc. Accountants and lawyers will exploit any vague language, any loophole. That's their job.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 07:52 PM
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8. How stupid or gullible did you have to be
to believe that insurance corporations would actually do what they were supposed to do? Those in the congress and administration that liked and approve of this were either naive, stupid, or culpable. There is no reason for celebration here. We got sold out.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 09:23 PM
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9. I only take issue with the first line of your post when you refer to insurance company executives
as "health care providers last".

My doctor is a health care provider insurance companies have really have nothing at all to do with healthcare. In fact, they make their money by blocking access to care and that will not change with the insurace scam Congress & Obama foisted on us.

We have to get past the idea of insurance somehow equaling care and that having mandating "coverage" will somehow give people access to care.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:29 AM
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11. A system that allows insurers to act like deniers, not providers, is broken.
Insurance must be not for profit, and it must have a mission statement, something besides "Make more money!" Only single payer public or strictly regulated non profit private can ever provide adequate health care. America needs to get over its notion that profitability is next to godliness---

But that is another topic.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 11:01 AM
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13. You got it
HCR did nothing to increase most people's access to medical care, because there is nothing in there to make it more affordable. The cooperatives are modeled on those in ND and MA, where the average premium is over $900/mo. How will that help?
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 10:01 AM
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12. This country is SO backwards..if you are a common person.
If you are a wealthy business exec, its Nirvana.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 11:16 AM
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15. Sucks that so many *aspiring to be wealthy* types cover & defend for corp america so much
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 11:14 AM
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14. Sell Out
I laugh when Obama or one of his cheerleaders call this reform "historic". Big Insurance and Big Pharma got exactly what they paid for and we got the shaft.

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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:47 PM
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16. Since they wrote so much of the bill, seeing a loophole is a lot like finding you ass with only one
hand.


All that follow up legislation to make it better will take care of that, right after the space aliens fix the gulf.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 07:03 PM
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18. This goes right to the heart of what I've been saying for years...
to combat the "bureaucrat" nonsense; bureaucrats rarely deny people coverage where they are involved in Medicare or the VA, or any other public process. On the other hand, desk jockeys allow people to die on a mass basis simply because of squeezing another die out of those who are gullible enough to believe that for some reason, that company actually cares about them.

I would not be surprised to see insurance companies state that being born, creates a "pre-existing condition"...therefore, they don't have to pay.

Another thing that bothers me intensely...it's not a "premium"...it's a BILL!!!
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