Will you be sad or happy if/when Specter and Lincoln lose?

[Change Happens]

I will be happy to see both of them go down!

[emulatorloo]

1. If Toomey wins I will be sad.

[nightrain]

3. yeah.... that's the scarier part....

[Change Happens]

9. +1

[MH1]

21. Sestak does better than Specter against Toomey in recent polls.

and a lot of dems really don't want to have to vote for Specter.

[Greyhound]

2. Happier if. n/t

[onehandle]

4. Only if they are not replaced with Republicans. nt

[WeDidIt]

6. If either win, there is a ~98% chance they will be replaced with a Republican.

The chances of the seats remaining in Democratic hands are significantly better if their opponents win.

[onehandle]

11. I think Lincoln's seat is lost either way.

I'm more worried about PA.

[AlinPA]

20. Here in PA, Sestak is polling better than Specter v Toomey. It will be the Democrat versus the

republican and I think PA will go Democratic in November. With Specter there is a is-he-or-isn't-he stigma. Let's go with the Democrat.

[Change Happens]

22. PA always comes through for us!!!

[WeDidIt]

5. I will be a Democrat.

And yes, I expect both to lose. I expect Halter to be slightly to the right of Lincoln on most issues but I want to retain that seat and Halter is the only potential nominee who can win the race. So yeah, I support who I think would be the more conservative Senator because I am a pragmatic liberal (e.g "Progressive").

In the PA race I fully support Sestak and expect Sestak to win. My heart was always with Sestak but my head was with Specter because I want to hold the seat. Polling trends in the past two weeks have proved that the head must go with Sestak, so both my heart and my head are happy in PA. I don't expect Sestak to be a Franken. I expect him to be more along the lines of a Feinstein, but that is light years ahead of any Specter, even a Specter putting on Democratic airs in a desperate attempt to hold onto his job. I knew that even when my head was for Specter.

[Change Happens]

8. Sestak has really surprised me on many issue, may not be Franken, but very close...nt

[Change Happens]

14. No matter how Halter does, it is better to have a real Republican in the seat

Then watch us being screwed by Blanche over and over on many issues...I would to see people like her and Nelson in NE get the fuck out of my life ASAP.

[saracat]

17. I only support liberals and pragmatism disgusts me. It hasn't done us any good to be pragmatic.

I used to believe in it until I saw the results of faux bipartisanship. I am pulling for Sestak and if Halter is to the right of Lincoln, I wouldn't support them either. But Lincoln certainly deserves to be taken down.I would rather it be by a Liberal.

[WeDidIt]

27. Ah

Then you like it when the Republicans control all branches of government.

Gotcha.

[saracat]

28. That old canard. We should always be fearful of real progress. OMG , what if we lose?

Winning hasn't done much for us if we can't count on legislators to even support the party platform. If they vote against our interests what is the point of electing them? What is the point of having a majority if they don't represent the people? We will never get control of the government unless we elect real liberals. Hint, bipartisanship doesn't work.

[BzaDem]

31. Why do you think that "real liberals" can actually be elected in Arkansas?

Everyone keeps saying we should boot out "fake liberals" (like Lincoln, who didn't cast the deciding vote against our platform on anything), and only elect "real liberals."

Accepting (for the sake of argument) that this framing isn't completely bogus, what makes you think that any "real liberal" could ever get elected in Arkansas? Given that there are many areas of the country where electing a "real liberal" is not possible (regardless of what you say to the contrary), how is having someone that votes against us on EVERY issue better than someone who votes for us on SOME issues?

You keep saying that electing "fake liberals" doesn't work. But why do you think that electing Republicans won't work EVEN LESS? Why do you always think there is an outcome that could "work" for you?

I personally don't care whether Lincoln or Halter gets the nomination, because both will lose in this environment (and even in a magical world where one or the other wins, they are going to be about the same on most issues). But the idea that we can always get the candidate we want (and having a Republican is better if we don't) is truly amazing to me. (To the extent that I am amazed that there are thinking people that agree with this.)

[saracat]

32. We seem destined to never find out because no one will ever nominate them out of fear . Grayson seem

to be doing quite well among the GOP in his moderate district. How the heck does that happen? If he had never been nominated we would never see that.

[BzaDem]

33. Arkansas is not a moderate state at the federal level. n/t

[saracat]

34. But the GOP who are NOT moderate support Grayson who is liberal .

That was my point.He does not represent a liberal District and yet the GOP would like to nominate him.That is the point. We have been badly mislead as to who can be elected. We insist a self fulfilling prophecies. If we actually nominated Liberals and put the weight of the party behind them, they have just as good a chance as anyone else a of being elected. Politics unusually goes in cycles anyway and eventually they would be elected if we kept nominating them.The GOP conservatives knew that and that was why they started at the grassroots and kept working it till they got the whole enchilada. We "compromise" instead and hope for their votes.Ain't never gonna get us anything.

[MH1]

24. Sestak is excellent on the environment, veterans, and LGBT

where 'progressives' have a problem with him is military, specifically Afghanistan. No big surprise there, and it's also how we can get a social liberal elected in PA. (well that and the fact that Toomey is certifiable batshit looney)

[Kerrytravelers]

7. Depends on who they are replaced by.

And that includes if they are replaced by liberals/progressives. If these newly elected officials prove to be no different once in office, what difference will it make?

Ok, that sounds cynical. I know. I just hope when we replace sitting members, it is by someone who will fight harder for our self interests. So far, I am impressed that their replacements will be much better.

[mvd]

23. True - you can run left, but you have to back it up with action

I feel better with Halter because he's not as bought out by the insurance companies. And I trust Sestak more than Specter - the ad by Sestak where he shows Specter saying he changed sides to be re-elected is brilliant.

[tularetom]

10. Like this

Specter - :-) (as long as it's the primary he loses in)

Lincoln - :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: (same qualifier as above)

[Arkana]

12. Indifferent to Specter losing, but fucking elated when Lincoln loses.

[Change Happens]

18. Lol...I share your view on Lincoln!

[cutlassmama]

26. +1

[AlinPA]

13. Yes. I'm voting for Sestak on Tuesday.

[Change Happens]

19. Good for you! I really like him.....nt

[Demoiselle]

25. I'm voting for Sestak, too.

I can appreciate Specter leaving the Repukes, but only to a point. He enabled all kinds of Right Wing crap during his long tenure as a loyal party member. And I'll never forget his attempt to destroy Anita Hill's reputation during the Thomas confirmation hearings. Yes, I hold a grudge.
And, by the way, Sestak gets pretty high marks as a progressive, as far as I can tell.

[mvd]

29. I'm joining you

:hi:

[femmocrat]

35. I am also voting for Sestak.

I have never voted for Specter and don't plan on doing so now.

[AlinPA]

36. I have always voted for Democrats for the U.S. senate, Specter was the republican. nt

[ladjf]

15. I also would welcome their departure from politics. nt

[housewolf]

16. It depends on who wins in November

If either of the Repub nominees win, I won't be at all happy

[bemildred]

30. Yes. You bet. In spades.

They are nothing special.

[saltpoint]

37. I'm rooting for Joe and Bill.