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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:24 AM
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Our voting turnout compared to France, which has a 75 to 80% voter turnout is pathetic
Have we learned anything from the past 6 years?
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RL3AO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:26 AM
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1. Dont blame Minnesota. Our turnout is always in the 70+% range.
Edited on Sun May-06-07 11:28 AM by RL3AO
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:28 AM
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3. I was referring to the turnout nationally, I didn't realize Minnesota was that high, TERRIFIC
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:27 AM
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2. Unfortunately, participation does not guaranty the right results.
Participation, which should be around 84 or 85 %^, historical even for France, is excellent, but if the polls are confirmed, it means a lot of people have been voting against their interest: Sarkozy has an economic program that is directly inspired by Reaganism.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:38 AM
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6. republican strategists want a low voter turnout. That is why they try to surpress the votes
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:44 AM
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7. May be, but, if Sarkozy wins, it may be the last time I vote in a French election.
That a majority of people can vote for him is beyond my understanding.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:48 AM
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8. That is just what the conservatives want you to do, but more importantly
if sarkozy wins it WILL NOT BE A MANDATE, which is even why a vote is so important


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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:30 AM
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4. In the small town that I live the voter turnout for local elections
is about 10%. Most voters are divided 50/50 so only a few people can determine the outcome of an election.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:31 AM
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5. Yes, it most certainly is. And we, as parents, need to start taking our
responsibility for teaching our children the perils of not doing their civic duty seriously. It doesn't take much effort to get off one's ass and register to vote. And it surely is one's duty to participate in the way our government is chosed.

If not, then those that don't vote should understand that they have no right to bitch about anything.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 04:58 PM
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24. Senior year, ALL students should be automatically registered to vote
Most are 18 by the time they graduate in the summer, and those not yet 18 could still file the paperwork and by the time the election happens they would probably BE 18.

There's no reason NOT to do it this way. Selective service :gets" all the 18 year old boys to sign up..

Doing it for all high school seniors would ensure that eventually all people would end up registered..

and when someone is naturalized, that should be a part of the normal paperwork..
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:51 AM
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26. Registering
Not sure registering is the problem. IMO getting them to get off of their asses on election day is a much larger and more important issue
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:54 AM
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9. The French and most countries are not subject
to a permanent campaign and they are offered real choices in their elections.

Imagine what the turnout would be if we had instant runoff voting in the US! Those who fear voting for a third party would, hopefully not give into that fear.

For too long the bosses have had two parties but not the working people.

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Grandrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:57 AM
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10. Constitutional amendment needed.....
Either make the presidential election a national holiday or change from Tuesday to Saturday or Sunday! Registration to vote should be as automatic upon receipt of drivers license and/or obtaining the age of 18. :think:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 12:05 PM
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11. The differences between the parties are more pronounced in France.
Unlike the USA where many politicians, in their stances, are interchangeable, which leads to a "What's the difference", or "lesser of two evils", shrug for the voters.

There's it's a real battle between polar opposites, while here, frequently, it's between parties with nuanced differences, or who has the best hair.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 12:09 PM
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12. Some have learned that the corporatemedia
is still covering for the buSHITS and if all the truth were really out there ..dug up with investigative work by the press(?) then American citizens would be swarming the polls to get these maniacle fascists outta power!

But, rove promised them a sweet deal and it looks like they're still hanging in there with their lazy pressbitch, phone it in, state of mind.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 12:29 PM
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13. I think there's two reasons for low US turnout...
First, people are just plain lazy. Many shun all things political, don't really know or care who represents them at local, state or federal levels, and just don't correlate voting with a citizen's obligation in a representative democracy. These people are the ones who say politics is boring, read the sports page or comics exclusively, focus on job and/or family and/or acquisition of more and more consumer crap. Their only relationship to politics is when they bitch about taxes or some local bond issue that raises their property taxes a lousy five bucks a year to pay for a library extension or structural reinforcement at a local school.

They will never vote unless something horrible happens to them or their family -- like an assault on their wife or the kidnap-murder of one of their kids -- which will get them off their dead asses to vote for more money for the cops or stiffer jail sentences, like that three-strikes hog shit that was all the rage in the '90s. But that's it. They live like tourists, giving some money to a few local shops and driving the four blocks to the store for a big gulp and a couple of toxic-dogs. But they don't participate in the community and might as well be living in Uruguay as the US for all the connection they have with the locals and with their surroundings.

Secondly, and I'm close to becoming a member of this group, lots of people resent that the initial list of maybe 10 or 12 candidates, some of whom are fairly interesting and have actual ideas, is inevitably whittled down to the most mainstream, centrist, vanilla one of the bunch -- first by the punditocracy, who tells everyone at every opportunity that so and so is unelectable, somebody else is too radical, a third lacks "gravitas," another voted against a DoD budget and is therefore soft on terror, blah, blah, blah..-- and then by the primary system.

And because enough people believe this crap and take it to the voting booths with them on primary day, the mainstream, vanilla, centrist always ends up on top and becomes the next useless, ceremonial head of state who won't deal with any of the problems that stem from America's enthusiastic love affair with radical capitalism. That's the American elite, corporations and others with wealth and power; the people would prefer a system that doesn't try to get them to work for nothing, with no benefits, and using the threat of "off-shoring" to keep them in line.

But the candidate who's been pre-selected by many of the very people with the most to gain from continuing the customary rape of the bottom 50 percent of the population is philosophically and politically incapable of effecting foundational change -- in fact, can't even discuss it without universal condemnation from the elites. So we're guaranteed another four years in which radical capitalism is deified; in which there's no possibility of true universal, single-payer health care; in which there's no possibility of legislation mandating public financing of campaigns; in which the Pentagon will get ever richer, at the expense of every single humanitarian program left standing after the republican chain saw clear-cut its way through town; in which more social control in the form of the idiotic "war on terror" will further repress the populace, even if the Oppressor in Chief is some Democratic smiley face professing their very best intentions.

And that's just the Democratic side. I suppose the same thing happens on the GOP side, except I imagine the search for the most vanilla centrist is replaced by the search for the most malevolent Himmler clone they can find.

But I object to a system that automatically excludes Dennis Kucinich from the "real" contenders just because some fucking lard ass think tank type -- usually from the Heritage Foundation or the AEI or some other Neanderthal group with a vested interest in weeding out any who might threaten the GOP candidate -- says he's too far from the mainstream and besides he doesn't have the greatest hair. Kucinich just happens to be the only candidate to advocate impeachment NOW, single-payer universal health care, getting out of Iraq NOW, impoverishing the Pentagon for a change, and using the money to fund sustainable energy research, ending the fictitious "war on terror" and going after the actual terrorists using proven police methods rather than invading armies, and reversing both patriot acts and the military commissions act NOW.

Now that's a candidate I can support and, in fact, have with money and other stuff. But we all know it's just pissing up a rope because we're going to get two pre-packaged cardboard cutouts -- one called a Democrat and the other a Republican -- who will stand for most of the same things, the Democrat a little lighter on domestic fascism, the Republican advocating spilling vats of blood all over the planet because "we're at war, dammit." And, because we're treated as children by the US political movers and shakers, we're supposed to troop dutifully to the polls to ratify one of these two chosen representatives of the status quo. And we're even supposed to believe that, in a country with about 300 million people, these are the two best we could find.

If I didn't care about federal judicial appointments, creeping fascism at home, rampant acts of state sponsored terrorism abroad, state sanctioned ecocide, and the draining of what's left of the treasury to further enrich the execs and shareholders of the machinery of war, I'd damn well stay home myself.

wp
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 12:52 PM
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14. Your post needs its own thread.
You just made more sense than most of the other people here.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 03:52 PM
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21. OK. I've caved in to the overwhelming will of the people -- all two of you
I started a thread with my post here as the OP. Now both of you are honor-bound to at least add something to that thread. You could start by writing something like, "...while I don't deserve the honor of even reading this profound post, much less attempting to add my unworthy thoughts to this thread, still I must, with deep humility..."


You get the idea. B-)


wp
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 01:30 PM
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18. What RC said. This needs its own thread. Please, consider
posting it as such.

I posted - a long while back - that the main difference between "Democrats" and "Republicans" is that the "Democrats" put more gilding on our respective cages. I put each party name in quotes, because we see so very few career politicians who are representative of the electorate rather than business and corporate interests. And, "We, the People" help make them so. :(



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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 01:36 PM
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19. kick for a good post
:kick:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 01:06 PM
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15. it would help if we had true multi-party democracy and you had to form coalitions to get over 50%
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 01:24 PM
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16. 55% voter turnout in Bush vs. Kerry and Nixon vs. McGovern
If those elections don't inspire the 45%, nothing will.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 01:30 PM
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17. I think more people in this country can NOT read than people realize.
Edited on Sun May-06-07 01:31 PM by TheGoldenRule
You can't vote or even finish school if you can't read.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 01:40 PM
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20. Why not move election day to SUNDAY, hello???
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 04:00 PM
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22. One way to guarantee that NFL fans never vote.
:)
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 04:40 PM
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23. How is that a bad thing?
Most of the football fans I know act like 30%'ers.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 07:52 PM
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25. oligarchs thrive on small, uninformed, easily-influenced voting blocs
that is the key to holding on to power
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