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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 05:28 PM
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Clooney's new film about Carville's company and a Bolivian election
should be interesting. I wonder if it will mention that the Bolivian leader hightailed it to the United States, and that our country is refusing extradition?

For a memory refresher, here is the trailer for the documentary about how the company of Carville, Greenberg, and Bob Shrum...butted into the elections in Bolivia with less than nice outcomes.

Trailer for Our Brand is Crisis

George Clooney is planning a dark comedy about the documentary by that name. I would imagine it would be dark indeed.

Clooney teams with Warner for Our Brand is Crisis

Warner Bros. Pictures has acquired feature remake rights to Our Brand is Crisis for George Clooney's Smoke House to produce. As with all Smoke House projects, the movie is a potential starring and directing vehicle for Clooney. The original movie was a political documentary from Rachel Boynton about the Bolivian presidential election of 2002, when candidate Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada hired James Carville to employ focus groups, sloganeering, and smear tactics to help him win; he was ultimately accused of being too aligned with the U.S. and was forced to resign amid a political crisis. Peter Straughan (Mrs. Ratcliff's Revolution) will write the feature adaptation, which is expected to rework the documentary into a dark comedy. (Variety)


Here is some more about Gonzalo “Goni” Sánchez de Lozada.

Gone but not Forgotten

"President Gonzalo “Goni” Sánchez de Lozada, widely recognized as the architect of Bolivia’s neoliberal “shock therapy,” had orchestrated the gas deal, and on Oct. 11 he ordered the military into El Alto to quell the protests and break the blockades. By the end of October, more than 60 demonstrators were dead and 400 wounded—the result of soldiers firing “large-caliber weapons, including heavy machine guns,” into the crowd, as the Catholic Church testified in a public statement. León, stopped by troops along with four others, was unarmed when she was shot. Among the others killed were small children and a pregnant woman. In the wake of the massacres, Sánchez de Lozada fled the country for the United States, where he remains today.

On Feb. 1, the Bolivian Supreme Court issued an indictment for Sánchez de Lozada that paves the way for an extradition request to be sent to the United States (along with the extradition of two of his ministers, Carlos Sánchez Berzaín and Jorge Berindoague, who also fled to the United States in 2003). The request will likely arrive in the United States in May. For his role in the massacre, known in Bolivia as “Black October,” Sánchez de Lozada is wanted to stand trial for homicide, among other crimes, and faces a 30-year sentence if convicted.

Despite the uproar in Bolivia, U.S. officials appear ambivalent in the face of extradition efforts, which initially began in 2004. Bolivia’s ambassador to the United States, Gustavo Guzman, characterizes the response his government has received from the Bush administration as a “truly deafening silence.”


And a tiny little snip from the New York Times archives:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9400E4DA1F3AF931A15751C0A9639C8B63&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fS%2fSanchez%20de%20Lozada%2c%20Gonzalo

World Briefing | Americas: Bolivia: Ex-President Charged With Genocide

Prosecutors charged former President Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada and his cabinet with genocide in the deaths of more than 60 people during the antigovernment protests that toppled him in 2003. After his ouster, Mr. Sánchez de Lozada fled to the United States, where he still lives. He has repeatedly denied that his forces used violence against the protesters.


A couple of reviews of Our Brand is Crisis

http://nymag.com/movies/reviews/16116/
Our Men in Bolivia
A very inside look at James Carville & Co.’s tragic electioneering. Plus:
By David Edelstein

It’s hard to know whether to marvel or weep when James Carville goes into his Bill Clinton–meets–Looney Tunes act in Rachel Boynton’s knockout documentary Our Brand Is Crisis—the context is so morally topsy-turvy. As a high-priced consultant to the 2002 Bolivian presidential candidate Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada (“Goni”), Carville gives a dazzling demonstration of how a politician should field an “oddball crap question” and steer it, in as few words as possible, back to the campaign’s message, which in this case is, “We’re in a crisis—and I’m the guy with the know-how to fix it.” The problem is that the blinkered patrician Goni doesn’t have the know-how to fix a stopped toilet, much less a country on the verge of economic collapse, with a disenfranchised indigenous majority howling to be recognized.


And the very best review of all...Jane Hamsher's at Fire Dog Lake. Classic Jane Hamsher. It is called

Million Dollar Assholes

The problem with the film? The director, Rachael Boynton, got amazing access by (admittedly) smiling and doing the cute girl thing, and making everyone like her and feel comfortable around her. But at a certain point you’re done shooting and you’ve got to sit down and evaluate what you’ve got and drop the cute, and treat your subject with the critical objectivity they deserve.

And what do these guys deserve? Well, you tell me. The first shot is of a riot in the streets of Bolivia where a body lies dead, oozing blood. Pretty much moments later, a guy named Tad (no shit) Devine is standing on a Bolivian street corner wearing a sweater vest, talking into a cell phone and saying stuff like “This is the frame — we can brand crisis.” Now, you don’t have to be an acid bitch like me to realize that at this point you are now dealing with a comedy, and your job for the next 90 minutes is to completely savage these guys.

I’m guessing that the director got too bonded with these clowns, because it’s the only excuse I can think of for letting them uncritically gas on while the camera runs without calling them on the amazing amount of bullshit they are churning. Carville has turned into little more than a parody of himself


I can't wait to see this dark comedy by George Clooney. I have been threatening to order Our Brand is Crisis, and now I think I will.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 05:47 PM
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1. I've seen the doc on Sundance Channel. Its good.
Shows what sonofabitches Shrum and Carville are. In desperation to fix their candidate's bad polling numbers they went so far as to smear the opponent Ivo Morales as being in league with Osama and Al Queda.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 05:52 PM
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2. I did not know it had been on Sundance.
Maybe we will rent it or hope it plays again.

Oh, like someone else who was smeared with an Osama ad.

Here it is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=17698
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 05:53 PM
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3. Just shows you what corrupt consultants you can get dragging a $100 bill through the DC dirt.
To paraphrase Carville's snide and nasty remark about cheap women and trailer courts.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 01:34 AM
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15. Oh, my, I missed that....
what did he say? He is always insulting someone.

:hi:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 06:39 PM
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10. second, the doc was very good.
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 05:53 PM
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4. New film?
I rented this DVD from Netflix middle to end of last year I think.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 05:57 PM
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5. Clooney's new film.
He is making a comedy ?? about the Our Brand is Crisis documentary.

The documentary is not new.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 05:57 PM
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6. That was the documentary the film will be based on that you rented.
.
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 06:46 PM
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11. Thanks for clarifying n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 05:59 PM
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7. Great collection of links, mf. Thanks for the update on this movie. It really is an eyeopener
of a story.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 06:30 PM
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8. Carville and his ilk have had too much influence in our party.
For way too long. And they are butting in around the world. Of course I have never forgiven him for his attacks right after the election when we were all feeling good about things. He threw cold water on all of it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 06:38 PM
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9. They don't DESERVE forgiveness - they sided AGAINST the Dem party too many times


This talk by historian Douglas Brinkley occurred in April 2004:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. "There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."
>>>>>


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)

By M.J. Rosenberg

I just came across a troubling incident that Bob Woodward reports in his new book. Very troubling.

On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.
>>>>>

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 07:51 PM
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12. And it never gets covered...
we mention it here and it slips off the radar like it never happened.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:10 AM
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20. The book -Crashing the Gate- by Jerome Armstrong & Markos Moulitsas Zúniga covers them also. n/t


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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 08:00 PM
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13. This is very sly and smart on Clooney's part!
Edited on Fri May-04-07 08:03 PM by calipendence
The biggest challenge going into 2008 election is to make the electorate aware that the Democratic nomination will perhaps be even more important than the election itself (if it looks like the Rethugs can't get much of a challenger). For us to really rid ourselves of the beltway consultants answerable to the K-Street lobbyists, folks like Carville need to be exposed even more, to put the pressure on the candidates to distance themselves from corporate influence. If Clooney, through making a popular film like this can raise the visibility of this issue with the masses, a GREAT purpose will be served and hopefully we'll make the right choice in nominating who will be our next president!

And by going after this situation instead of taking on directly folks like Carville's role in our elections, which would provoke a lot of partisanship and more blindness to what is really going on, hopefully people can really look at this problem with greater depth if he does it right!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 09:10 PM
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14. Carville is so loved by so many Democrats...
that things he says stick. People adore him and because he is funny, he can say anything and get away with it.

I think what he did after the election was meant to hurt the party. There is no way he could have thought he was helping it. It was meant as a slap at those who are trying to make the party more inclusive. He mentioned the very candidates hand-picked by Rahm who ran against candidates supported by grassroots when he was on TV saying Dean should be fired. It so obvious.

Whatever Clooney can do, more power to him.

I just hope he does not make Carville and Company look like the good guys. The two reviews I posted seemed to feel the lady who did the documentary did not really understand what she was seeing in action....their attempt to spread democracy abroad by using attacks and ridicule. And perhaps even inciting violence.

I have no respect for him, nor will I ever. They say anger is not healthy, but I say sorry, can't help it.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/643
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 08:36 AM
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17. Those who aren't angry don't care about the fragility of our democracy they care about
the 'idea' of winning, even if it is STILL the fascist agenda winning, but - hey - as long as they're wearing Dem jerseys it's all OK with them.

They worked AGAINST any Democrat who will open the books on the corrupt, fascist agenda to smooth the way for the coverup wing of the party to pop into the mix just in time to cover up for Bush2 the way they covered up for Bush1.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:58 AM
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21. Stood about 10 feet away from Rahm Emmanuel at Jeff/Jackson dinner.
Watched him as he talked to people and felt an "aura of entitlement" surrounding him. His skin and hair are perfect in that "Hollywood" manicured way that many politicians develop after being in DC too long.
He looked "spa perfect." He's much smaller in stature than he appears on tv.

Who knows where his conscience is. I wouldn't condemn him on appearance alone. But, there's much about him that we know that would lead some of us to question whether politics and power wouldn't be more important than "doing the honest, correct policy" for our country. He exudes confindence bordering on cockiness with a bit of boredom for the "masses" thrown in imho.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 11:30 AM
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23. That aura of entitlement surrounds many in our leadership.
Carville in effect said Rahm was ok with it when he asked Dean be fired. Rahm did not deny it.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 01:52 AM
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16. So glad to hear about this. Wouldn't miss it for the world.
Might add that Carville also had time to go to Venezuela and do campaign work for the "opposition," the coup-making, racist, classist European-descended elite before they attempted to do their referendum on Chavez.

Damned shabby behavior to see in a self-identified "Democrat."
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 08:58 AM
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18. This documentary was interesting, but I thought the director had no idea what
was going on in her film.

She really went out of her way to humanize Goni and spent as little time as possible explaining Morales.

In the best scene in the film -- a scene where the translator explains why the Americans and Goni are such idiots about Bolivian politics -- the director wasn't even in the room. If you listen to the director's commentary, she points out that that's her on the screen walking back from the bathroom at the end of the scene. And, if I remember correctly, in the directors commentary, she reveals that she doesn't really get what was going on politically in Bolivia and she doesn't understand why Bolivians react to neoliberal policies in the way they did.

It's an incredible film to watch, but mostly because the underlying story is so fascinating that even a bad director couldn't help capturing something worth watching and thinking about.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 11:18 AM
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22. I was fascinated by Hamsher's review...
that I posted above. She was furious that the person who did the documentary simply did not get it at all. She used more colorful words than I would, but she got her point across.

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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:10 PM
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26. I'm going to read it right now. Thank you.
It was stunning how hard that woman tried to humanize Goni and how uninterested she was in Morales. She did not understand the real story.

But, like I said, the real story is so powerful it seeped into her film.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:03 AM
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19. Lozada is a terrorist, yet the US treats him with velvet gloves.
A man who slaughters his own people should be extradited if the US is serious about fighting terrorism.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 01:31 PM
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24. Rendition the SOB!
Sounds like the Bolivian government would love to waterboard him and do other fun things to him so that he may confess ALL!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:07 PM
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25. Even the comments from the documentary website showed lack of understanding. .
Like they did not really understand the seriousness of what we were doing. Like everyone was pretending what a wonderful event it was...and funny and hilarious. It blows my mind.

http://www.ourbrandiscrisis.net/

This one sort of got it.

"Hilarious! Would be even funnier if the well-paid American strategists weren’t helping to decide the political fate of an impoverished Third World nation. Boynton’s film ultimately reveals as many disturbing facts about our own backroom political process as it does about Bolivia’s.”
– Joshua Rothkopf,
Time Out New York

This comment seems to think it is all about Carville's greatness.

"“Riveting. Remarkably suspenseful! James Carville is, of course, already a media star. Midway through the movie, he delivers an extended and shrewdly self-deprecating advertisement for himself. Among other things, he compares a campaign to sex: ‘You never know when it’s going to peak.’”
– J. Hoberman,
The Village Voice

And this one from The Nation, perhaps I am misunderstanding.

"“Absurdly funny, sometimes horrifying! ...Let everyone watch OUR BRAND IS CRISIS!”
– Stuart Klawans,
The Nation

Few express an alarm really. Or maybe I missed it.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:33 AM
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27. Remember K Street? Yuck. Clooney and Soderbergh did that show.
http://www.hbo.com/kstreet/

So I guess that is why I wonder how Clooney will cover this subject?

Carville and Matalin were featured in K-Street.

:shrug:

Clooney has a chance to shine a light on the harm our consultants like that do, but I wonder if he will.
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