Cindy Sheehan urges KSU crowd to 'a new revolution'

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Cindy Sheehan urges KSU crowd to 'a new revolution'
By Jim Carney
Beacon Journal staff writer

KENT - Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan would like to see today's college students become more active against the war in Iraq.

``I wish college students cared enough about what's going on in Iraq and our country to be as committed as the students were in 1970,'' Sheehan said in an interview an hour before she was to address a crowd at Kent State University on the 37th anniversary of the Kent State shootings.

Sheehan, 49, whose son Army Specialist Casey Sheehan was killed in Iraq in 2004, said she does not wish for any protest to become violent, but she said, ``I think we need a new revolution.''

The annual event marks the killing of four students and wounding of nine others by Ohio National Guardsmen during an anti-war protest on the campus. more http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/17179156.htm

[ORDagnabbit]

1. she's in good company.....

“Every generation needs a new revolution.” Thomas Jefferson

[symbolman]

2. Cindy

there was a little thing called THE DRAFT that's VERY inpirational.

I know I was there, and my draft number was 26, and I was forced pretty much to enlist.

Sadly, her son enlisted as a volunteer, and it's pretty common knowledge that the govt WILL KILL YOU if the need arises.

Not condoning the fake war, just remind Her that there were extenuating circumstances she might want to take into account.

[Jack Rabbit]

3. Well, Mr. Symbolman, I don't agree with you

(I)t's pretty common knowledge that the govt WILL KILL YOU if the need arises.

The flaw in your case rests there. Do you see it?

If not, I'll be more specific: when did the need arise to send Casey Sheehan and other young men and women to Iraq to risk their lives? I certainly don't remember when it happned. We all know that the commandeer-in-thief has said there was a necessity and continues to say it, as do his aides and advisors. They are liars, all of them, and they know it.

Iraq had nothing to do with the September 11 attacks and Saddam was making it difficult for Islamist terrorists like Zarqawi to operate in that part of Iraq that he controled. Saddam had no relationship with al Qaida. There was no need to invade Iraq in the Spring of 2003.

[symbolman]

6. I guess no one was paying attention during NAM

and all the REAGAN adventures?

ALL of those people who got popped were SENT to places where they could DIE, Grenada, Panama, etc..

If people signed up without reviewing the history of the Leaders, then that's how they get killed.

Believe me, I KNEW that Vietnam was Bullshit, and so I didn't WANT to sign up, but they convinced me, either get raped in prison, or go to Canada, not knowing if you'll ever be able to come back.

There was no need, and I prefaced my statement with that..

For those who think that Cindy Sheehan is some kind of Goddess, I don't agree. I'm glad when she's right, but like anyone else, when she makes a mistake from so high on the pedestal, she takes a greater FALL.

And she's been wrong before. I tried to be gentle, but of course the only way to protect the idol is to ATTACK anyone that disgrees, attack their SERVICE to this country, and their very Patriotism.

And THAT pisses me off.

Not you Jackarabbit, as you bring up sane issues, as for anyone else that questions my status as a Progressive Liberal Dem, it's VERY OBVIOUS that I am NOT anywhere NEAR to the right, having lost hundreds of thousands of dollars battling, and many awards for FIGHTING this lot.

Anyone questions my honor as a Dem can go piss up a rope, and take Sheehan with you.

[Jack Rabbit]

7. I would never question your credentials as a progressive

Cindy is no more divine than the next person.

I am just naive enough to believe that the proper role of government in war is to protect the security of its citizens. National security does not have anything to do with protecting corporate profits, creating business opportunities for war profiteers or making true the imperialist fantasies of Yale frat boys who never grew up. Moreover, it is our duty as citizens of a democratic state to hold those entrusted with power to that standard.

It was one thing to seek out Osama in Afghanistan after September 11; it was quite another to invade Iraq after spouting a pack of lies about the threat it posed. It was one thing to declare war on specific terrorists or even specific terror-supporting states; it was quite another to declare a war against all terrorism, a war that can never have measurable standards of success or failure and by its nature must be perpetual. Surely the neoconservatives, even if they are still at heart frat boys who never grew up, learned that at Yale and should be held responsible for discarding that lesson.

Consequently, the war against Iraq was unnecessary. Those entrusted with power have betrayed that trust.

I do not doubt for a minute, Symbolman, that your rage against this war, as mine, is rooted in that sense of betrayal.

When one throws up his arms as says that betrayal is business as usual, as if it is just part of the natural order of things, then one is giving liars like Bush and Cheney tacit permission to break the solemn oath they swore to the people not to send soldiers to fight private presidential wars of choice, but only wars of necessity, wars that are fought when the security of the state is in danger from an actual attack or imminent threat of attack.

There is no way the invasion of Iraq meets those standards. Casey Sheehan is not a martyr to the cause of freedom; he is one of hundreds of thousands of victims of a mass murder.

It is Bush and Cheney and their neoconservative aides who have gone against the forces of nature; we, the people, should not have it and it is we, the people, who must make them atone.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Nobody is qusetiioning your status as a progresive

but on this nmatter, and the current situation in the no longer fully or truly volunteeer US Army, we just disagree

Though we do agree that a draft, a FRONT DOOR draft, would bring the selfish youth to the streets

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5. Doesn't matter

What we have is an illegal administration conducting an illegal war using our Honorable sons and daughters in the military.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. How little you actually know about Casey and why he enlisted

is amazing. Please educate yourself before you criticize his mother again.

[symbolman]

11. OH

SO NO ONE CAN DISAGREE WITH CINDY, ALL HAIL SHEEHAN.

Bullshit. I feel for her, but hers isn't the only one lost, you do a great disservice to all the OTHERS that lost kids, by focusing on ONE MOTHER. There are plenty of Mothers who I have MUCH MORE respect for, who stand up for our rights and are Much more ELOQUENT than Sheehan.

You KNOW LITTLE about the military system. I KNOW from much experience.

Nothing like Blind Followers screaming at Veterans, cute. Get a grip.

He joined because HE WANTED TO. No one SHANGHIED him, he SIGNED of his own free will and WAS NOT DRAFTED, so DO NOT compare a Volunteer with someone WHO HAD NO CHOICE. As a woman you have NO IDEA the Pain caused when the GOVT GRABS you off the street, and SHOVES a gun into your hands, WHEN YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. USDA GOVT INSPECTED MEAT.

Do you GET IT YET?

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. You are the one who doesn't get it.

How many other mothers are speaking out like Cindy is? How many other mothers are in DC DEMANDING an end to the madness in Iraq?

You hate Cindy. We get it already. And I will defend her from hate mongers like you.

[symbolman]

13. You appear to HATE anyone WHO DOESN't AGREE

with Cindy..

You know what? Want to know why Cindy threads are dropping like Rocks for the most part?

Because PEOPLE ATTACK POSTERS who come on and DISAGREE with THE CINDY.

*I* was ONE of the FIRST PEOPLE TO FILM HER at the Downing Street Minutes Hearing in DC. I FLEW from Hawaii when it was apparent that NO ONE ELSE was going to cover it.

Don't TELL ME, WHO to support, and quit climbing up the butts of anyone who has a disagreement with THE CINDY. Some of her most ferverent FOLLOWERS are RUNNING PEOPLE OFF.

Take a breath and think about it.

You are attacking someone who SERVED their COUNTRY, if you want to do that, and also ACCUSE me of 'HATING' SOMEONE who I just happen to disagree with.. then you'd better take a look inside, because THOSE are ROVE tactics, and THAT is what I ASSUME YOU are fighting.

Yes?

Then climb on down off the pedestal, and quit SLAMMING those who are actually HELPING the movement. My god, after all the work I've done for my country, and for the Progressive movement, I get Called a HATER by someone.

I won't be responding to YOU anymore, and I think You know why.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Good

First time ever I have agreed with you. I will gladly join what is surely your GROWING ignore list.

[genie_weenie]

8. The government does not recognize the rights of it's

subjects to reform the government. The only "rights" is a choice of subjugation under D or R.

RATM was correct during coachella...