Key Expert Calls FBI's Theory About Accused Anthrax Terrorist 'Impossible'

[babylonsister]

Key Expert Calls FBI's Theory About Accused Anthrax Terrorist 'Impossible'
Is the FBI prematurely closing the books on a still unsolved terror case?
April 25, 2010


A microbiologist who supervised the work of accused anthrax killer Bruce E. Ivins explained to a National Academy of Sciences panel Thursday why the arithmetic of growing anthrax didn't add up to Ivins' mailing deadly spores in fall 2001.

"Impossible," said Dr. Henry S. Heine of a scenario in which Ivins, another civilian microbiologist working for the Army, allegedly prepared the anthrax spores at an Army lab at Fort Detrick. Heine told the 16-member panel that Ivins would have had to grow as many as 10 trillion spores, an astronomical amount that couldn't have gone unnoticed by his colleagues.

According to FBI calculations, Ivins accomplished this working after-hours in a special suite for handling lethal agents designated B3, for Biohazard Level 3. A bar chart released by the bureau (PDF) when it closed its nearly 9-year-old Amerithrax case in February showed that in August and September 2001, the months immediately before the first anthrax letters were mailed, Ivins logged 34 more hours in the B3 suite than his combined total for the previous seven months.

"That's more than 8,000 hours (close to a year) short of what he would have needed to grow the anthrax," Heine told ProPublica in an interview after his NAS presentation.

Heine, one of the few scientists at the Army lab with the skills to grow large batches of anthrax, told ProPublica it would have taken around "100 liters of liquid anthrax culture," or more than 26 gallons, to grow all the dried spores that killed five Americans and infected 17 others.

"He couldn't have done that without us knowing it," said Heine.


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[unhappycamper]

1. The FBI lying?

Say it ain't so, Joe, Say it ain't so.

[tom_paine]

2. Of course it's impossible, the Anthrax was a Bushie Op aimed at Democrats

now entirely successful.

1) The Bushies intimidated the Democrats, sent them a Mafia-style message, and got whatever they wanted from a cowed and compliant Democratic Party

2) Thanks to their control of Law Enforcement, the FBI investigation was tanked from the start, red herrings were followed, and a suitable patsy was found and driven to suicide or perhaps suicided like the DC Madam.

3) 99.9999% of the American Subject Populace will never ask any questions and never know any different except "the patsy did it".

[Ian David]

5. The man who published this photo was killed by Anthrax

And Pappy Bush had pledged there would be consequences.

[babylonsister]

6. Is that true? If so, wow. nt

[Ian David]

7. Yes...

See:

What the Anthrax Targets tell us about the Anthrax Terrorist
http://www.newsgarden.org/columns/anthrax/anthraxtargets.shtml


And:

National Enquirer: No negative press for Bu$h since anthrax attack
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x469252

[babylonsister]

8. Thanks for looking that up; I'm stunned. Never knew that. nt

[jtrockville]

18. I'm with you babylonsister. Gotta go pick my jaw up off the floor now. nt

[Fumesucker]

9. Actually he was the *first* person killed by anthrax..

He worked for a company called "American Media Inc".. Seriously.

One can be either a conspiracy theorist or a coincidence theorist..

Personally I'm a coincidence theorist because those conspiracy theorists are just whacked out. :crazy:

Oh, and Jenna Bush?

She's on the Today Show now.. :wow:

[Selatius]

3. I suspect if the American people found out the truth, people would stop voting.

The FBI is either that incompetent at finding the real culprit, or it's under tremendous pressure from certain individuals to doctor the results of the investigation.

[FormerDittoHead]

4. Impossible. You'd as easily have the CIA produce false evidence of WMD's.

Oh wait. Are you saying that the same people who had the CIA (and the military, et. al.) produce "slam dunk" evidence of Iraqi WMD's could also have the FBI constantly direct its investigation to the wrong suspects, and then have them end the investigation when their lead "suspect" refused to take a small plane ride and instead committed suicide?

I'm all ready for the "logical and scientific" people here to start throwing out their "conspiracy kook" ridicule.

[Festivito]

10. You mean they would stop voting Republican.

Only Democrats were to receive those letters.

The case was so-called closed only in the last days of Bush-Republican control.

The same FBI that would not let its agent look into the computer of the already in-custody 911 hijacker before 9/11. Because they could not risk losing a request sent to the FISA court. Yet, the FISA only rejected, what, four or five requests out of thousands. And, on those four or five they helped to get them passed.

It would appear that the FBI has anti-America infiltrators, and we need either an investigation or pitch forks.

[NightWatcher]

11. why is it that we can agree some (many) events are fishy, but other events are sacred cows?

I dont understand (wait, I really do, but for the sake of argument...) how many of us can agree that "dark forces" carried out some sinister events in our nation's history, but to suggest that similar or the same dark forces carried out others will instantly get one labeled a "wack job wing nut"?


JKF assassination..... definitely something fishy went on
MLK assassination..... maybe something fishy happened
Anthrax Attacks....... seems to have been something fishy


then

9/11 BOOM. THREAD LOCKED OR SENT AWAY. Poster is obviously insane!

or

maybe we didnt land on the Moon...BOOM! Poster is obviously insane!


We can grasp that dark forces within or outside of OUR government has done some evil things, but to possibly accept that they did others would crash our fragile little perceptions and open us up to questioning everything we thought we knew or held to be true.

[The Doctor.]

12. Well... I think out of all those,

the Moon Landing one doesn't really fit into the 'dark forces' category. Maybe 'gray forces'...

[OnTheOtherHand]

14. seriously?

I think that believers in a "moon landing hoax," "no plane" theories, etc. sometimes flatter themselves that they have a sort of existential courage that the rest of us lack ("crush our fragile little perceptions..."). Critics of evolutionary theory do the same thing.

It's actually not very scary to consider those possibilities. But embracing them does seem to entail filtering out a lot of disconfirming evidence for no obvious or compelling reason.

[suffragette]

13. K&R

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=104046
The NAS committee left after about half an hour of questioning Heine. Members already met twice to review FBI documents, and they expect a draft report to be ready by midsummer.

After the committee left, Heine expressed frustration that he had already told the FBI everything he just presented, but that no one had listened to him. FBI agents he dealt with were professional, he said, but some officials at the Department of Justice were extremely arrogant.

He said the whole investigation was filled with lies. Officials told different USAMRIID researchers their co-workers accused them of committing the attacks, just to see their reaction. They searched his vacation house and car without warrants.

They misled him about the questions they would ask him in front of a grand jury. And they tried to get him to seek a restraining order against Ivins, only days before he committed suicide, by saying Ivins had threatened to kill Heine during a group therapy session.



Interesting that the FBI pressured Heine to get a restraining order against Ivins, trying to use the info from Duley (who the FBI did persuade to get a restraining order. Looks like they were trying to get as many people as possible to do this to add to their "evidence."

For reference on Duley:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3724189

[bobthedrummer]

15. k&r#17

[Beetwasher]

16. I Happen To Know Several Well Connected MB's

Specifically in this particular community and the scuttlebut is major cover up.

[fascisthunter]

17. It's Amazing How Stupid The FBI Thinks most people are

this is a cover-up