Wouldn't any pre-driving age Arizonan be in violation of the new law?

[WonderGrunion]

I never carried any form of government issued ID before I started driving. I can't find any language in the bill with an age restriction. That would make any minor without documents guilty of a misdemeanor under the law. Can someone go to Arizona right now, walk up to a cop, point out a random 14 year old and say "I don't think they are here legally, check their papers."

Does the dumbass Governor of Arizona have any 14 year old or younger relatives that we can make this point with?

[jmm]

1. Most of my cousins were 6' and could grow beards by the time there were 13.

I developed young and can remember being offered alcoholic drinks at restaurants when I was 14.

While I wouldn't support making a point at the expense of a minor unlucky enough to be related to the governor you raise a good point about how this can effect minors. Not all kids look like kids.

Edited typo

[WonderGrunion]

3. It seems like little thought was put into the consequences of this bill

There seems to be a rash of bills in that part of the country with unintended results.

[madrchsod]

2. yes....everyone who looks "mexican" must show their birth certificate

[WonderGrunion]

5. That's why I suggest targeting minor realtives of Gov. Brewer

And do it with press present. Make her enforce that racial profiling is not a requirement of the bill.

[mucifer]

4. From what I've heard it's not driver's license that they want. It's birth certificates

or passports. People of all ages have those. They already gabbed a trucker off the streets because he had an accent and only had a driver's license. His wife had to bring his birth certificate and her own to get him out of jail.

It's EVIL.

[WonderGrunion]

6. I had a birth certificate all my life

But I never carried it around with me. Certainly didn't carry it as a child. I say go to a city park near where the Governor lives and start pointing out random kids and telling the cops that you think they might not be legal residents.

[mucifer]

7. If you are in arizona you could tear up a family that way. It's not funny.

Any crazy right wing asshole has the power to do that to people in arizona.

[WonderGrunion]

9. And then maybe people in Arizona will work to remove Gov. Brewer

from office. Until people realize that this stupid law affects them as much as the "illegals" they won't do anything to fight against it.

I never intended this suggestion as joke or a lark. I think this is the quickest way to send it to the Supreme Court to be overturned.

[jmm]

17. The Supreme Court hasn't made some of the best decisions recently.

Kids should not be targeted as political weapons in the hopes that courts will do the right thing.

[WonderGrunion]

18. Just focus on kids realted to Gov. Brewer then

and other dumbasses in Arizona that voted for the law. I understand not wanting to make innocents suffer for the crimes of this bill, but some eggs will have to be broken to turn public opinion away from this bill.

[jmm]

21. And while we're at it let's tamper with the drinking water of any kid related to...

somebody who doesn't support environmental reform.

I had a number of encounters with police when I was underage. Nothing quite like explaining to a cop yelling at you in Spanish with a gun drawn that you only speak English or watching people you know laid out on a roadside because they fit a description. Even if it could be proven that this would change public opinion, and it might backfire against opponents of the bill, there are better ways to fight this.

[Xipe Totec]

13. Mine says I was born in Mexico

So that's not going to prove I'm a US citizen.

[WonderGrunion]

14. And McCain's show he was born in Panama

We don't need a 5 day waiting period on guns. We need a 5 day waiting period on stupid knee-jerk legislation.

[Raven]

8. I had to provide my birth certificate when I applied for my NH drivers

license so why isn't that enough? Doesn't every state do that? I have no idea where my birth certificate is now.

[mucifer]

10. The arizona law states that a driver's license isn't enough. People will be flooding

the government buildings to get a copy of their birth certificate if they don't have one around.

[Raven]

15. So people will have to travel to the town or state of their birth and

apply for a certified copy of their birth certificate. Then they will have to wait for it to be processed. As I recall, it took a few days for me to get mine. Then, once people get theirs, its validity could be questioned. This is a nightmare!

[RC]

23. Snail mail still works

I did it when I got my passport. No bid deal. Only took a week or so. I wasn't born anywhere near North Dakota.

Go on line and download the form and mail it in.

http://www.ehow.com/how_4558933_replacement-birth-certificate.html

North Dakota version:
http://www.ndhealth.gov/vital/
http://www.ndhealth.gov/vital/forms.htm

[Raven]

24. Question is, if you're in Arizona, what do you do while you're waiting?

Hide under the bed?

[WonderGrunion]

16. Hopefully, they remember to get them for the little ones too.

This will be worse than the run on passports after requiring them for travel to Canada and other locales that didn't require them before.

[mucifer]

11. oops dupe

[WonderGrunion]

12. Considering how many supporters of this bill are also Birthers

You have to wonder if they even accept that Birth Certificates are legitimate forms of ID.

[icnorth]

19. Only if they are of Arizona or Kenyan origin. n/t

[Raven]

20. This is going to be a bureaucratic nightmare. Most small towns don't

have a staff in the Town Clerk's office. There is usually just the Town Clerk and that person has lots of other things to do. I believe the Secretary of State's office is also the keeper of birth records. Has Gov. Brewer issued any directives to expedite this process so there won't be a logjam? I don't think so. I can see the little lobby of my Town Clerk's office jammed with people who will have to wait hours to even get to the window. This is going to get ugly.

[Raven]

22. Yup, a real nightmare. Read this link:

http://www.azdhs.gov/vitalrcd/birth_index.htm

[treestar]

25. It is unenforceable

Every single attempt at enforcement will result in a constitutional challenge.

[madmom]

26. What I would like to see happen... a group of non Americans, who "look"

American, say Canadians or anyone white, blond, you get the point, go to anytown arizona, and they MUST be wearing illegals clothing and shoes(you know the slovenly attire)and just hang out. Stay a day or two or three whatever, just stand on street corners do things that would make any browned skin person "suspect". See how long before they have to show ID. I'd be almost willing to bet they wouldn't.

[Berry Cool]

27. As others have pointed out, they're looking for birth certificates, not drivers' licenses

which are not considered proof of citizenship because they can be obtained by people who are not citizens. But the other thing I would point out is that most US kids today have two forms of government-issued ID not long after they're born: a birth certificate and a Social Security card. True, back in "our" day we didn't apply for them until we were ready to enter the work force, but today parents get them for their kids after they're born.

That being said, though, this whole thing is insane.

[WonderGrunion]

28. They may have two forms of ID

But do they carry them around with them?

If not, that is still a misdemeanor violation of the statute.