"Proving Election Fraud" by Rich Charnin (TruthIsAll)

[autorank]

Reviewed By Michael Collins



Stock deals are rigged for insiders. Big money runs Congress. And we've gone to war based on a series of calculated lies.

Are you willing to accept the fact that our elections are subject to the same type of corruption?

If you are, then Proving Election Fraud by Richard Charnin pulls back the curtain and exposes the pattern of election fraud over the past four decades. It's not a mystery when your look at the numbers and check them against multiple public sources. The information is all there - if the experts care to look.

Charnin is the widely known internet poster using the name TruthIsAll. He was the first to discover the glaring discrepancies in the 2004 election results shortly after the polls closed. His internet posts on the mathematical impossibility of a Bush victory were critical in fueling the doubts about that election and those that followed.

His many posts are the basis for a consistent narrative and argument using a clearly outlined and heavily quantified analysis. The result is a wealth of information about how elections really work and a methodology (the True Vote Model) that allows the interested reader to check the official results of any national or state election.

Charnin's straightforward style fits his subject matter. For example, early on he makes a powerful point, one of many that appear throughout the book:

"Simple mathematics proves that the 1968, 1988, 2004 and 2008 elections were fraudulent. The returning voter mix required for the Final Exit Poll to match the recorded vote was not just implausible -- it was impossible. In each election, more voters from the prior election returned to vote than were alive. The fact that they were returning Nixon, Bush 1 and Bush 2 voters cannot just be a coincidence. The statistical anomaly has no rational explanation other than election fraud." (p.52)

When the official victory margin includes dead voters and excludes uncounted votes, it's more than reasonable to assume election fraud.

Scoop Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/print.html?path=HL1004/S00158.htm

[EFerrari]

1. K&R

[autorank]

2. Decades of uncounted votes - 80 million in all

Think somebody would have made a big deal out of that, and they did but it bears repeating again
and again.

:hi:

[Me.]

3. Daunting

K & R

[autorank]

5. Guess some votes just aren't worth counting to PTB

[tiptoe]

89. "White House stolen in ‘00 and ‘04 – and also ‘68 and ‘88!" - Mark Crispin Miller comments:

http://markcrispinmiller.com/2010/04/white-house-stolen-in-00-and-04-and-also-68-and-88

In this remarkable new book, the election analyst Richard Charnin — known on-line as TruthIsAll — meticulously lays out all the evidence, which proves not only that Bush/Cheney stole the White House in 2000 and 2004, but that those recent crimes had been anticipated by George Bush I in 1988, and (is this surprising?) Richard Nixon twenty years before.

That harrowing thesis is as smartly argued as it is provocative; but I’ll bet that no one dares to argue with it. If it draws any fire at all, it will be mere empty jeering. Otherwise the book will meet with universal silence. Because those who would prefer that we not think about these things will wisely choose not to get into it at all.

Anyone who cares about the truth, and our democracy, however, would do well to get a copy of this book ASAP — or get a lot of them, and send them out. The link below will let you order it.

MCM

Proving Election Fraud: Phantom Voters, Uncounted Votes, and the National Exit Poll

 

[DoBotherMe]

4. K&R

Does he not post here anymore? Dana ; )

[formercia]

6. Except for one thing:

Why did Mc:evilgrin: not win in 2008?

[autorank]

7. Good question

Amidst the pervasive ignorance of the ruling class, there is still a survival instinct. It would be like fixing a fight between Marvin Hagler and Richard Simmons with Simmons coming out the winner.

:evilgrin:

[lark]

65. Tin hat theory

My little tin hate theory is that they didn't want to win because if they did they would be held accountable for the financial mess. They wanted the Dems to take this one on the chin, counting on the sheeple to pay no attention to root causes. Then they would have given themselves, their rich friends and their campaign funds a huge financial boost, destroyed the working class so they would be virtual slaves. Guarantee they will be back in the election stealing business full force in 2012, if not during the upcoming congressional elections.

[librechik]

8. they can't steal an election that's not even close

at least, not so far

[bobbolink]

9. That, and I wonder if they decided they didn't want to.

More politicallyy advantageous to let the implosion occur, and let the Dems take the heat. (Which they have decided to do.)

[librechik]

10. yup--really impossible to say why anyone "didn't" do something

but you and I are probably on the right track.

[bobbolink]

11. Oh, I don't know... people are always willing to say why poor people didn't do this, and didn't do

that. Always a blame, of course.

But, proving a negative is impossible.

HOWEVER, there is NO excuse for the Dems not holding them responsible for the past theft of votes!

Absolutely none!

Poor folk surely wouldn't be so easily absolved of a theft! And certainly not one of that magnitude.

:nuke:

[librechik]

12. the past ten (or more) years have shown me my country

is not as good a country as it could and should be. In too many areas to count. Kinda makes you want to give up trying to improve it. But we should at least prosecute criminals even though they are powerful. That was our Big Thing. That's gone now, and who knows why?

[truedelphi]

13. because Our Glorious Leader says we "must look forward, and no look back."

Guess he never heard the expression "those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it."
<sorry for paraphrasing the last bit> But if you don't look back, you cannot learn and understand.

[Enthusiast]

57. Whatever the reason we know

it stinks to high heaven.

I think they are setting the stage for massive fraud in the mid-terms. All you hear on the M$M is how it is going to be a bloodbath with Democrats losing majorities. And every news outlet lends great credence to the Teabaggers, far more credence than their actual number warrant. This is undeniable.

[lark]

66. Yep, totally agree

[havocmom]

20. And they know they have to allow some DEM years to build up the Treasury

before they pull more raids on it.

[bleever]

15. TIA has made the point that Obama's margin

was likely far greater, in reality, than the "official" results.

[slay]

43. TIA has posted some of the strongest, best election fraud stats and info

just about anywhere. I wish he was still part of DU, but I learned alot from him and continue to do so. Glad to see he's coming out with a book about it. Unless you get your news from a relatively liberal website, you probably had no idea our last 3 or 4 elections were very likely rigged. I know Keith talked about it for a few days back when he first got popular (and WAY before Rachel) but even he dropped it after those few days. I hope EVERYONE will make themselves familiar with TIA's work so they will know what truly huge odds we still have to overcome.

[glitch]

25. Perhaps a McCain win wasn't necessary.

And you should be familiar with limited hangouts. :evilgrin:

[icee]

32. Because he was not the one the NWO people wanted. Just

that simple.

[tiny elvis]

63. michael parenti has a good explanation

but i cannot find his short article
basically he said that conservative districts not targeted for fraud voted dem in desperation

[rapturedbyrobots]

67. neo-cons & neo-libs

both have a purpose in the new era of hegemony

when there's a need to start an unpopular war abroad. they call in the neo-cons.

when there's a need to start unpopular economic reforms (NAFTA, UHC, Medicare, Social Security?) they call in the neo-libs (New Democrats).

if the financiers had decided that occupying another central asian country was more important than saving wall street & the health insurance industry, then mc cain probably would've won.

look for this pattern to repeat in the next decade or two.

[Richard Steele]

84. They didn't WANT him to win. If thy had wanted to win, they would have run a real candidate.

Romney or Huckabee could have won that election honestly.

Instead, they promoted a rude, bumbling asshole who doesn't know
how many MANSIONS he owns.

When he wasn't failing badly enough, they tied him to an ANCHOR
named Sarah Palin.

They THREW that election- there's just no other rational explanation.

[truedelphi]

14. This book is now on my next to buy list. So A Big K & R.

Thanks for letting us know about it, AR.

[tiptoe]

91. +1 Rove and Coulter have company at Amazon (as of 4/28):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=515446&mesg_id=515452

 

[bleever]

16. I'm very happy to see him write and publish this book.

TIA: I salute you, and I'm so glad you made it through the darkness to the other side.

:patriot:

[autorank]

18. That will mean a great deal to Mr. Charnin

He outed himself!

This is a great book and there are actual DU threads in the last part of the book --

the great debates;)!!!

[Kurovski]

53. Hello, bleever!

:hi:

Where the heck are the other ER denizons?

They should :kick: as well as rec' the thread, Or am I being too demanding as usual?

[MelissaB]

58. Another oldie from the ER forum checkin in

to K&R.

:kick:

[Kurovski]

60. Jolly good.

:hug: :kick:

[Patsy Stone]

69. Howdy!

It's like old home week in here. :hi:

[bleever]

70. Our Special K!

:hi:

Yes, you're being too demanding. Please carry on.

And as the Moody Blues say, Lovely to see you again my friend.

[Patsy Stone]

72. Good song. nt

[bleever]

78. The bluegrass version is really nice too.

Preview available here: http://www.amazon.com/Moody-Bluegrass-Nashville-Tribute-Blues/dp/B0002NRRGA

:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

85. Oh, hey bleever...

I didn't even see you there... :hi:

Yep. That's a good one. BTW: please do not miss the Shatner clip from the clubhouse last night.

[mod mom]

82. Hello old friends

:hi:

funny how the battle we fought to expose the election debacle has never been corrected despite controlling presidency, senate & house. I had a discussion w a college professor a while back who seriously commented, "now why would we want election outcomes to reflect the voter" :scared:

[Kurovski]

86. Greetings, mm!

:hi: :hug:

The prof sounds like a perfectly swell elitist, just like your average power-grubbing Pubby.

[NorthCarolina]

17. In a similar vein, there is also this...........

Civil rights and election fraud: New study asks, 'Was Prop 8 straight?'

Today, the BRAD BLOG is reporting that there's a fair chance Prop 8 was not decided by bigoted voters, but by "fraud or gross errors" in the election. From WasProp8Straight.org:

A new analysis of independent exit polls conducted in L.A. County at the November 2008 election indicates significant likelihood that the official vote counts are incorrect. It is indeed possible that the California state constitution was amended to strip marriage rights of some of the state's people as a result of vote counts that were incorrect and possibly even fraudulent.

Link: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Civil-rights-and-election-by-Ross-Levin-100114-473.html

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. I'll put it in my Netflix queue.

[Kurovski]

41. Clippity, clippity, clop,

Clippity, clippity, clop.

Tick-tock, tick-tock,

Clippity, clippity, clop.

Of course it's a book, and not a DVD.

[Kurovski]

21. well looky here.

I stop in from a funeral for two minutes and what do I find? :)

Ah, the versimillitudenessish ness of fate.

[autorank]

37. Very deep

indeed!

[Kurovski]

39. Everything was not as it seemed, and Mr. Charnin was the strongest voice in saying so.

I'm grateful and pleased to see he has a book, and I look forward to reading it.

The 68 and 88 election problems, those I was not aware of. Such a shame, all those nice morning in America Republicans, so busy fucking the shit out of us.

Thank you Charnin and Collins! In a sane and less fearful and corrupt country, you would be properly rewarded.

But I'm just a humble and devout stable boy, I'm sure George Will knows better. ;)

[amborin]

22. K&R

[bananas]

23. k&r nt

[BeFree]

24. Fantastic

Not fantastic that we live in a subverted, stolen democracy, but fantastic that TIA has come out with his book.

Been following his work for years. Not enough people know what he knows.

[glitch]

26. "Are you willing to accept the fact that our elections are subject to the same type of corruption?"

Most excellent question.

[autorank]

27. Most people say no but the question isn't asked enough

:hi:

[WeDidIt]

31. My answer is a resounding NO

TIA is a tinfoilohat conspiracy nut, IMO.

[Name removed]

33. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Fly by night]

28. My heartfelt thanks to TIA/Mr. Charnin. He should still be here at DU.

It is amazing (and very disheartening) to see how willful ignorance (and deafening silence) continues to subvert the most meaningful threat to democracy that this (or any other democracy) has ever faced. You don't have to look far here in Tennessee to see that our historically moderate Republican party has been stolen by knuckle-dragging Neanderthals, Manchurian candidates and loud drunks in our legislature. No one with an ounce of intelligence (or self-respect) would ever elect any of these bozos.

But our unverifiable voting equipment did. The same equipment that the current stain of TN Republicans insist we keep voting on.

Thanks again, TIA. If some of us never stop fighting, we cannot lose.

But it would sure be nice if the "some of us" were "more of us".

[Patsy Stone]

29. It's wonderful to see

that something good came out of that awful mess. Congrats, TIA! You helped me stay sane. K&R

[autorank]

36. He appreciates that!

I think DU helped him a great deal too, especially finding out about all the support when he
was laid low.

:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

38. Nice to see you!

I was so sorry to see him go, and I certainly appreciate you keeping us informed about the work he's been doing. Both of you are such great assets to the process. :patriot:

One of the main reasons I joined DU was that dKos wouldn't entertain any notions of a stolen election. When I saw all the work going on around here, I knew this was the place to be for reasoned analysis and discussions of the whole debacle.

:hi:

[Kurovski]

52. I'm just saying "Hi" , in part to kick the thread,

and for another part to cop a feel.

Woo-woo, baby! :hug: :hi:

[Patsy Stone]

68. Lookee here!

It's YOU! :loveya: :hi:

I think Skinner needs to get us a grab ass smiley.

[Bill McBlueState]

55. if by "awful mess"

you mean TIA's attempt at statistical analysis, then you win the thread.

[Kurovski]

61. Why should trolls be the only ones cashing in?

America: land of equal opportunity.

[mod mom]

30. Auto....

You should talk to Cliff about '88 and his role as Bob Dole's (who was ahead after Iowa) campaign counsel. k&r

[autorank]

35. Just spoke with him recently

He was looking for a picture from Patriots Day, one of which I'd taken.

I will ask him about Dob Bole;) Maybe he knows about my latest interest

J.R. "Bob" Dobbs;) Shows real promise.

[xchrom]

34. Recommend

[Kurovski]

40. Kick. (nt)

[Kurovski]

42. Available from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Proving+Election+Fraud%22+Richard+Charnin&x=18&y=20

:kick:

[Nothing Without Hope]

44. Answer to "why won't people believe this?": IT'S TOO SCARY FOR THEM

Much more comfortable to believe that we live in a true democracy, that our government is honest, and that we live in a pleasant fairy tale. Even though on some level they know differently. I think this suppressed awareness of the ugly truth is one reason why fundamentalism/primitivism in religion, racism, nationalism and everywhere else is on the rise. These are very simplistic black vs white (instead of shades) ways of viewing the world, and they are comforting to those who fear the complicated and problem-laden truth. And fear is always the at the basis of violence. (Even greed has a basis in fear.)

[autorank]

71. Thanks for the answer

It was a rhetorical question but your answer is correct, imho.

[Nothing Without Hope]

87. Thanks. Even though it was rhetorical, a lot of people sincerely don't understand.

I mean, how can so many look at what is so plainly there and deny it? It's important for the ones who are trying to turn on the light to realize that they must also deal with the fear. Without that, there will be no change of beliefs and no end to the violence. If anything, the deniers will feel even more threatened and escalate. There needs to be thoughtful planning specifically on how to address this fear. (This digression has nothing to do with your goal in this thread, I'm just pointing it out for the benefit of those who are bewildered at how/why so many refuse to see the truth.)

Good wishes to you. Thank you for all you have done and continue to do.

[byronius]

45. Buying this today.

[tiptoe]

92. Making progress at amazon books...

Today's rank at Amazon: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=515446&mesg_id=515452

 

[liam_laddie]

46. And just what does OTOH

have to say about this? Curious minds are anxious...
:hide:

[Kurovski]

47. Damn you, you trouble-maker.

:D It is just a matter of time now.

Will he venture out from the confines of the ER Forum? Is there enough in it for him to do so?

[OnTheOtherHand]

54. umm...

I haven't read the book. Maybe he has autographed a copy for me with love, but I haven't seen it. However, I've discussed TIA's arguments with him repeatedly here -- in at least three incarnations, I think four or five. I don't think he makes much sense. And I can't think of anyone else on DU who defends TIA's actual arguments. It seems increasingly hard to find anyone who knows or cares what they are.

Most of the comments in this thread have been along the lines of 'way to go, TIA, stick it to The Man!' If people feel that TIA is sticking it to The Man, that is their prerogative. It kind of makes me sad.

[Blue Owl]

48. We can count on the M$M to ignore this one

As long as "The System" is protected, we're screwed.

If either party cared about real democracy, we'd turn away from Diebold, ESS, and non-verifiable electronic equipment.

[voteearlyvoteoften]

49. Thank you

[tiptoe]

96. kick!

[Major Hogwash]

50. Is he a mernber of DU? Does he post here?

I don't remember seeing any of his posts here.

[Kurovski]

51. He was, and in the Election Reform Forum.

He kicked troll ass a little too hard for the DU rules.

Despite that, he will forever remain in many DUer hearts a permamnant DUer.

He still has some of his work brought to us, posted in the ER forum by a friend.

[Enthusiast]

56. What have they done to my country?

If we can't have free and fair elections we can't have representative democracy. It is as simple as that.

[Kurovski]

59. Kick.(nt)

:kick:

[Kurovski]

62. Kick.(nt)

[Kurovski]

64. One last kick...

I gotta run, Diebold is messing with this computer. ;)

[bleever]

73. So glad to know

you're still kickin'.

[juajen]

74. How good it is to hear from TIA. Greetings, friend and here's hoping your

book is a great success. We have sorely missed you.

[tritsofme]

75. There is a 99.977888% probability

that I won't be reading this book.

[WeDidIt]

76. Gotcha beat

100% chance I won't be reading the tinfoilhat drivel.

[tritsofme]

77. Does he really say now that Dukakis won in 1988?

This guy just gets funnier and funnier.

[Ignis]

79. K&R

[blindpig]

80. A kick for TIA

Good review too, Auto.

[dzika]

81. K&R

[Richard Steele]

83. "No rational explanation other than election fraud." KICK

[Kurovski]

88. The wars, the rigging, the money grab...

the long-range plans for the middle east, all very good reasons for some folks to rig an election in the first place.

[tiptoe]

90. TIA's right there with Rove and Coulter -- Check out Amazon sales-rank here (K&R!):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x515446#515452

 

[Peace Patriot]

93. The most important book in U.S. history...

...and if we don't get rid of privatized, 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting, now endemic in the U.S., and the FINAL blockade to desperately needed reform--and now monopolized by ONE corporation (ES&S, which just bought out Diebold, gaining an 80% monopoly over the U.S. voting machine 'market') with hair-raising, far rightwing connections, our democracy is OVER.

This is the latest gig of the multinational monsters who are running things--outright control over our election results with 'TRADE SECRET' programming code--code that the public has no right to review--with virtually no audit/recount controls--in every state in the union. It is beyond outrageous. It is THE most anti-democratic event in our history with the exception of slavery and it is very close kin to slavery. ES&S now "owns" you and me. We have no representation that they do not SECRETLY approve with vote counting that we are not permitted to see or understand.

There are many things wrong with our system. This is the final blow to our democracy and to the sovereignty as a people, that prevents us from effectively addressing all those other things that are wrong.

There have been several stolen elections, using various means. But this is a systematic INTENT to steal all future elections, starting in 2004, by making it impossible to verify any given vote count, including primary elections (who gets to run), general elections (who 'wins') and all ballot issues, in every federal, state and local election. There is no other purpose for private, corporate, 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting BUT fraud.

Half the states do no verification of machine totals whatsoever. The other half do totally inadequate 1% audits. 99% of the votes are NEVER counted, in half the states. 100%, in the other half.

The most basic, most bottom-line, most essential condition for democracy--transparent vote counting--is now absent in the USA, everywhere.

This means that rightwing forces can play our system like a piano. They can write long-term scenarios where a sort of liberal candidate, into whom people project their hopes and dreams for a better country, is PERMITTED to be elected, but his mandate--the mandate for change-- is significantly and fraudulently shaved and he is further inflicted with a Puke and 'Blue Dog'-infested Congress which pretends to represents us. THEN what? We don't know. 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting means that a Sarah Palin, a Jim DeMint, a Jeb Bush, even a Dick Cheney, can easily--EASILY!--be placed in the White House, and we will not be able to verify that vote and we will be powerless to do anything about it. The corpo-fascist media--of course completely ignoring the BLATANT signs of fraud--will write (IS writing) the "Alice in Wonderland" narrative by which the sort of liberal guy gets blamed for the vast crimes and vast looting of the monstrous Bush Junta and an entirely phony, bought and paid for, "tea bagger" 'movement' is the cover.

TIA (Richard Charnin) was the first person on this earth to alert ME (and many others) to the magnitude of this problem--right here at DU, just after the 2004 (s)election. He suffered greatly for his devotion to the truth, his brilliance and his persistence, and has made a full comeback with this all-important book, to now alert everyone else, in this new era of internet connectivity which has developed in the meantime.

I try not to discuss this or any dire problem in our political system without suggesting a remedy. In my opinion, restoration of TRANSPARENT vote counting is THE most important thing that we must do to begin restoring our democracy, and it is still doable, because the power over voting systems still resides at the state/local level, where ordinary people still have some potential influence. But it will take a vast and widespread citizen movement to accomplish it. I hope that TIA's book, "Proving Election Fraud," is the spark--at long last--for that REAL 'Boston Tea Party.' We must restore TRANSPARENT vote counting. We MUST.

[katiehi]

94. Amazon has pulled book from website

As of today, Sunday, May 2nd, 11:30am PST, I am unable to pull up Richard Charnin's new book, "Proving Election Fraud" either by title, author's name or ISBN.

When typing in by the title, "Proving Election Fraud" or by author, "Richard Charnin" or even by ISBN numbers, I am unable to pull up his book.

Previously, on April 23rd I had no problems pulling up "Proving Election Fraud" and ordering the book directly from Amazon and this order qualified for free shipping. I received it April 30th.

By the way, the copy of the book I received the print quality is terrible, the actual print is faded and you see the pixels that make up each letter. More sabotage?

Perhaps they sold out of copies of this book or worse, they didn't want this book getting ranked higher than 50 on their bestsellers list?

I called Amazon customer service and the Amazon rep I spoke was able to pull up this book by ISBN on his computer but when I tried pulling up the book by ISBN number, I couldn't pull it up either.

Something fishy is going on or perhaps this is the normal state of affairs when the media is completely silence about the subject of stolen elections.

fyi

[tiptoe]

95. Wrong (still, katieh). Listed and accessible for ordering at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Proving-Election-Fraud-Uncounted-National/dp/144908527X/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271174454&sr=1-1

Book is also order-available through Barnes&Noble and AuthorHouse, here.

Amazon listing had been adjusted and awaits index update.

"By the way" the quality of the print in the copy I received is just fine, including the graphs.