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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:09 PM
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2 Dolly Partons and a 20,000th post.
Edited on Thu May-03-07 09:33 PM by Old Crusoe
We're some months away to the Democratic ticket's certain victory in 2008, so meanwhile here are just a few questions, comments, considerations, contributions, and contradictions for a given Thursday night.

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“When the bird and the book disagree, always believe the bird.” --James Audubon

“There are two Dolly Partons: the Nursery School Teacher and the Eccentric Aunt. The Nursery School Teacher wants everyone in the classroom to feel happy and involved, so she wears a perpetual grin and leads simple, upbeat sings-a-longs. By contrast, the Eccentric Aunt takes her favorite nieces and nephews aside at the wedding and delights them with uncensored stories about the family history and gives them the straight dope about desire, heartbreak, and true love.”

--Geoffrey Himes, rev. of Parton’s Slow Dancing With the Moon, in Country Music, May-June 1993

“I love Mickey Mouse more than any woman I’ve ever known.” --Walt Disney

“The only devil I’ve ever worshipped is Mickey Mouse.” --Kenneth Anger

“Modern art is the art of civilization after a stroke.” --Christopher Bram, Father of Frankenstein

“My music is best understood by children and animals.” --Igor Stravinsky

“Taking a baby to a restaurant is like taking a moose to an opera.” --Dave Barry

“One of the things I am trying to say is that a healthy society must include people with alternative dreams. This is necessary so that all ideas, as many ideas as possible, can be available to us as we deal with our social problems. Our society is changing radically and we have to respond to those changes. If our responses are severely limited, our chances of survival are much less.”

--Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., interview in the Indianapolis Star, 1980

“The true contest must take place on the level of the individual. It is here, in the present, that the Temple is reclaimed or demolished.” --Azriel, in Elie Wiesel’s The Oath

“...the beauty of the cosmos derives not only from unity in variety, but also from variety in unity.”

--Umberto Eco, The Name of the Rose

“I think the cover-up of Kennedy’s assassination, then the pardoning of Nixon finished it for a lot of people. They said, ‘Well, we didn’t know it was bullshit before. We certainly know it’s bullshit now. So fuck it. Every man for himself.’ No one gives a shit. They know they’re getting fucked. No time to take care of anything else.”
--Lou Reed

“As it happens, I am comfortable with those who live outside rather than in, those in whom the sense of dread is so acute that they turn to extreme and doomed commitments; I know something about dread myself, and appreciate the elaborate systems with which some people manage to fill the void, appreciate all the opiates of the people, whether they are as accessible as alcohol and heroin and promiscuity or as hard to come by as faith in God or History.” --Joan Didion, Slouching Towards Bethlehem

“The Normal is the good smile in a child’s eyes -- all right. It is also the dead stare in a million adults. It both sustains and kills--like a god. It is the Ordinary made beautiful; it is also the Average made lethal.”

--Dr. Dysart in Peter Shaffer’s EQUUS

“Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. It is a weapon unique in history, which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals.” --Martin Luther King

“We shall see who emerges from the labyrinth: the man or the minotaur.” --Rev. Daniel Berrigan

“I doubt if there is anything in the world uglier than a midwestern city.”

--Frank Lloyd Wright, address in Evanston, Illinois, 1954

“Washington is about stress, about not getting along. It is about conflict. It is about fighting. It is a Disneyland of egomaniacs and stress-seekers.” --John Flannery, attorney in the District of Columbia

“...but it was already an unconventional place, the cradle of radical movements and audacious forms of rebellion. It was my luck to be present at the transformation of the caterpillar into the large-winged, brilliantly colored butterfly that animated an entire generation.”

--Gregory, on Berkeley, California, in Isabelle Allende’s The Infinite Plan

“When spider webs unite, they can tie up a lion.” --Ethiopian proverb

“I stopped at a cafe in Dalhart and ordered a chicken fried steak. Only a rank degenerate would drive 1,500 miles across Texas without eating a chicken fried steak.” --Larry McMurtry

“An odd thing about New Orleans: the cemeteries here are more cheerful than the hotels and the French Quarter. Tell me why that should be, why 2,000 dead Creoles should be more alive than 2,000 Buick dealers?”

--Walker Percy

“The archetypal image of the wise man, the saviour or redeemer, lies buried and dormant in man’s unconscious since the dawn of culture; it is awakened whenever the times are out of joint and a human society is committed to a serious error.” --Carl Jung

“I’ll die young, but it’s like kissing God.” --Lenny Bruce

“Distrust all men in whom the impulse to punish is powerful.” --Frederich Nietzsche

“I read him for the first time in the early 1940s, something about bells, balls, and bulls... and I loathed it.”

--Vladimir Nabokov on Hemingway

“< The ascent of > wizard-in-training Harry Potter has kids wanting to read books. Undoing years of work by grade schools everywhere.” --Jim Mullen’s HOTSHEET, Entertainment Weekly, 2000

“In the long history of divinities, the inhabitants of Olympus were the first who wished to be perfect rather than powerful. Like an obsidian blade, the aesthetic for the first time cut away all ties, connections, devotions. What remained was a group of figures, isolated in the air, complete, initiated, perfect--three words that in Greek covers in just one--teleios. Even though it would not appear until much later, the statue was the beginning, the way in which these new beings would manifest themselves.”
--Roberto Calasso, The Marriage of Cadmus and Harmony

“The nation that controls magnetism controls the universe.” --Dick Tracy

“The poet must continue to stand in an adversarial relationship. The most elementary of our adversarial relationships are in terms of the power of the state, which has never been so great in the history of mankind. That power can destroy us all. It’s a terrible power to entrust to people who are not spiritually great, that’s all there is to it. You see it in the callousness, self-aggrandizement, insensitivity to the plight of the poor. In the general level of ethical conduct, the state has become an abomination. … A poet can’t change anything, but the poet can demonstrate the power of the solitary conscience. It’s an example. Any gain, even the conquest of a small part of oneself, is a triumph.” --Stanley Kunitz, interview in the Washington Post, May 12, 1987

“I’m nobody’s steady date. I can always be distracted by love, but eventually I get horny for my creativity.”
--Gilda Radner

“Not long after moving to Washington she had interviewed an expert on nuclear security who had explained how easy it would be to score plutonium. The security for nuclear facilities, he said, was always contracted out. The contractors in turn hired locally and supplied their hires with minimum rounds of ammunition. Meaning, he had said, ‘you got multimillion dollar state-of-the-art security systems being operated by downsized sheriff’s deputies with maybe enough ammo to take down a coyote.’”
--Joan Didion, The Last Thing He Wanted

“The building palpably yearns to be, if not a power plant again, something brawnier than the butterfly corral of an art space--perhaps a neo-medieval hospital or arsenal. The message of the place baffles. Surely, a hatred of art cannot have been the architect’s motive, though it would explain the effect.”

--Peter Schjeldahl, New Yorker, 3-11-02, on the Tate Modern Museum

“According to Orrin Hatch, it’s ok to destroy a frozen embryo because the embryo is only a person if it’s in a woman. This location theory of personhood is obviously unsatisfactory: You put the cells in the woman, it’s a person, you take them out, it’s not a person, you put them back in, voila!--it’s a person again. You might as well say Orrin Hatch is a person in his office but not in his car. If, as anti-choicers like to claim, what makes personhood is a full set of chromosomes--rather than, say, possession of a gender, a body, a head, a brain--then a clump of cells in an ice cube tray is at least as much a person as Trent Lott. Maybe more.”

--Katha Pollitt, in The Nation, August 20/27, 2001

“America is an enormous frosted cupcake in the middle of millions of starving people.” --Gloria Steinem

“Jung wanted psychoanalysis to take on the revivification of myth. To accomplish this, he believed, one did not use an ethical alliance.” --Naomi Goldberg, The Changing of the Gods

“I don’t give a good goddam about greyhound racing. I can’t think of anything that interests me less.”

--Senate candidate S. I. Hayakawa, a linguist, responding to the question
of legalized dog racing in California, 1976

“I don’t want realism, I want magic.” --Blanche Dubois, in Tennessee Williams’ A Streetcar Named Desire

“At Warp-9, they all look green to me.”
--bumpersticker evoking speed trajectories of Star Trek starships as a rationalization for fast driving

“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.”
--Stephen J. Gould, “The Panda’s Thumb”

“Where there is no magic, one remains a toad.” --Kathleen Spivack

“If God dislikes gays so much, how come he picked Michelangelo, a known homosexual, to paint the Sistine Chapel ceiling while assigning Anita Bryant to go on tv and push orange juice?” --Mike Royko

“At the beginning of the World Series of 1947, I experienced a completely new emotion, when the national anthem was played. This time, I thought, it is being played for me, as much as for everyone else. This is organized major league baseball, and I am standing here with all the others; and everything that takes place includes me.” --Jackie Robinson

“Two friends, disillusioned with the rigors of a responsible life, turn to cattle rustling.”

--plot summary of Rancho Deluxe in TV GUIDE

“Can I get a new bike?”
--Chad Brenner, age 8, of Rockville, Maryland, mistakenly sent an IRS refund of $39,541.55

“The propaganda of the drug war obliterates the injustices of class and race, the issue of government for and by the rich. It reduces the social problem to a glaring symptom of widespread helplessness. The only true lesson of the war on drugs is the same as that of the catastrophic health care repeal: a demoralized and confused population can be manipulated into acting against its own best interests for an indefinite period of time. People will use drugs as long as the society offers them nothing but shit, and shit is what we have on the menu.”
--Gary Indiana, Villiage Voice, October 31, 1989

“If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.”

--John F. Kennedy, Inaugural, 1961

“That’s not writing. That’s typing.”
--Truman Capote, rejecting the manuscript of Jack Kerouac’s On the Road


“The sun, with all those planets revolving around it and dependent on it, can still ripen a bunch of grapes as if it had nothing else in the universe to do.” --Galileo

“Shortly before the 1968 primary election, aides were urging Bobby Kennedy to lead a parade of supporters around Monument Circle even though they couldn’t get a parade permit for several days. Bobby nixed the suggestion explaining: ‘I can’t stand the thought of spending a night in jail with nothing to read but the Indianapolis Star.’” --J. Jeff Hays, of Evansville, Indiana, letter to the Star, May 18, 1998

"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there is hardly any difference." --Harry S Truman

“The gross national product is rising above $800 billion a year but that figure does not measure the health of our youth, the quality of their education or the joy of their play. It does not measure the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile.” --Robert Kennedy, 1968

“To listen even briefly to Ronald Reagan is to realize that he is a man upon whose synapses termites have dined long and well.” --Christopher Hitchens

“A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither.”

--Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison

Let's pretend this plug is 'Iraq' and you're trying to connect it to the 'War on Terror,' which is this avocado. You can do it, but here's the problem: the avocado still doesn't turn on. And now your plug is covered in guacamole." --Jon Stewart, c. October 2006

“Show me the country in which there are no strikes and I’ll show you that country in which there is no liberty.”

--Emma Goldman, American anarchist (1869-1940)

“Good architecture lets nature in.” --I. M. Pei

“I am convinced that there is only one way to eliminate grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.”

--Albert Einstein, 1949

“The faithfulness I imagine would be a weed flowering in tar, a blue energy piercing the massed atoms of a bedrock disbelief.” --Adrienne Rich

“Love someone and let someone love you. Do you think anything else under heaven really matters?”

--James Baldwin

“Love, though it expends itself in generosity and thoughtfulness, though it gives birth to visions and to great poetry, remains among the sharpest expressions of self interest. Not until it has passed through a long servitude, through its own self-hatred, through mockery, through great doubts, can it take its place among the loyalties. Many who have spent a lifetime in it can tell us less of love than the child who lost a dog yesterday.”

--Thornton Wilder, 1960

“Peacekeeping--like housekeeping--is a series of repetitive, time-consuming, often menial tasks which need to be continually accomplished, so that we may incorporate the need for peace into the expectations of children.”

--Margaret Mead


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Go, Democrats.




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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:17 PM
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1. Perhaps I have a dirty mind...
...but those weren't the "two Dolly Partons" I was thinking of. :evilgrin:

Anyway, congrats!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:23 PM
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2. Let's just say, between you and me, that Dolly herself gave me that joke!
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:56 PM
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16. I had to read this thread immediately when I saw that title
Dolly Parton is my cousin. People from Tennessee have an odd way of expressing these things: she's my first cousin, twice removed. Her mother and my mother's grandmother were sisters. Dolly comes to the family reunions in disguise. She's a very sweet person who in Tennessee is just as popular as Elvis because she has returned so much of overwhelming income to help the poor there and to create jobs (think Dollywood). In short, she is revered there for her generosity to helping those less fortunate.

So if I make it to the reunion this year, always the second Sunday in the month of July (don't ask me where), I will try to remember to find her and ask her EXACTLY WHAT SHE GAVE YOU AND I WILL REPORT IT BACK HERE.

Tune in the third week of July for a full report...

:)

Loved your quotes.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 10:03 PM
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19. Hi, Samantha. How fortunate you are to be blood kin to Dolly Parton.
Regarding my connection to Dolly, Dolly will tell you -- I am quite certain -- that she has

never ever heard of me whatsoever, and and if she tells you that, she will be telling you the complete truth.

I know her only from her recordings and film work -- all of it dynamic -- but have heard also what you say about her generous spirit.

She's a champion. If you do see your cousin at the family reunion this year, just tell her some anonymous old coot north of the Ohio River respects the work she's done and the spirit she's done it in. And tell her thank you.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:48 PM
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11. The P & G buildin in Cincinnati (two rounded towers) is called "Dolly Parton towers"
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:52 PM
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14. Dolly would likely be honored. She has a pretty at-ease relationship
with her own body.

And when it comes to accomplishment, her life story really rocks the rafters.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:24 PM
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3. That Lou Reed quote is really accurate.
I'm afraid it took a Bush to activate us all again.

There are some great ones in there. Good stuff.


Congratulations on the 20k. You can have quality AND quantity.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:29 PM
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5. Gregorian. Thank you.
Lou has a rougher vocab than some would prefer, but I hold him very, very high.

He's a backalley, late-night iconoclast with titanium spiritual cajones.

And more than a touch of the poet.

I trust his politics, too, but he can really find me wherever I am and drop me in the heart of Manhattan in the middle of the night -- faster and better than anybody.

Very nice to see you tonight on DU.

thanks.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:25 PM
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4. Congrats on 20K!
:toast:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:29 PM
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6. bigwillq, thank you. The next round's on me!
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:40 PM
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9. That better be a promise.
:hi:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:42 PM
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10. A true blue one!
:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:
:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:30 PM
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7. Congratulations, OC!
Great quotes!

:toast:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:34 PM
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8. Canuckistanian. Howdy to ya.
They're odds'n'ends from a handful of things.

Hope you're doin' well.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 10:00 PM
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18. Doing just peachy, thanks
And may I say on this suspicious occasion that I consider you to be one of the most sane, thoughtful and interesting voices on this little Quonset hut we call DU.

Long may you post!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 10:12 PM
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20. I do the best I can to hang out with people like Dolly Parton, Lou Reed, and
Bobby Kennedy.

I figure that kind of gang can handle almost anything.

And I will look forward to your posts, Canuckistanian, and complain only that there are too few of them. Keep 'em comin'.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:49 PM
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12. Wow - I thought I was getting up there. Thanks for providing me with some perspective!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:51 PM
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13. BlooInbloo, you ARE getting up there, and you're doing great.
Don't quit for anything, and say hi to your beautiful city for me.

Never have spent enough time in the Pacific Northwest. I vow to go back one of these days.

Plenty of Democrats out that way, too.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:55 PM
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15. Most Entertaining And Interesting, Sir!
Congratulations on twenty thousands!

It s always a pleasure to see you around the forum.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 09:58 PM
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17. And to you, Sir, kind thanks for your graciousness. Much appreciated.
I look forward to seeing you around these parts as well.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 10:34 PM
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21. A wonderful collection!
Congratulations to you on the 20,000. I wish I had read them all. :hug:

Thanks, a lot to think about there.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 10:46 PM
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22. Hi, MuseRider.
I thought of you when I included Dr. Dysart's line there. If anybody would have horses on their mind, it might be you or Martin Dysart.

Thanks for throwing in to this thread & happy trails.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:12 PM
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24. One of my favorite plays
but also one that disturbs me the most. Yes, I smiled when I saw that one. Peter Shaffer sure can write them. New York and Spring Awakening on the horizon, just applied for the Colbert Report as well. :)

Some trails are happy ones,
Others are blue.
It's the way you ride the trail that counts,
Here's a happy one for you. Dale Evans-Rogers
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 04:12 AM
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26. You're in a New York State of Mind, and that ain't a bad state of mind to be in.
Your upcoming trip to the Big town is going to be all good.

Promise us a complete report when you do get back -- IF you decide to come back! Who would blame you if you just stayed in NYC?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 10:59 PM
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23. Shopping center theory and some white beans.
The smaller tenants, on the other hand, wanted that same customer to pass their stores on the way from the car to, say, Macy's. The solution to this conflict of interests was actually very simple: two major tenants, one at each end of a mall. This is called "anchoring the mall," and represents seminal work in shopping-center theory. --Joan Didion, "On the Mall"

* * *

ANDY: Well, I ate four bowls. If that ain't a tribute to white beans, I don't know what is.
AUNT BEA: Well.
ANDY: Eatin' speaks louder than words.
AUNT BEA: You know, your education was worth every penny of it.


Congrats, Old Crusoe


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 04:10 AM
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25. Aunt Bea's got it together. I love that dialogue between her and Andy.
And the Didion piece -- I hadn't read it in a while, but it's one of her many terrific essays. I'm a slobbering Didion sycohant from the word 'go.'

Great quotations, sfexpat. Thank you.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 03:31 PM
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32. Didion junkie here, too, from 'way back.
:)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 04:33 PM
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33. Being a Didion junkie is a sweet, sweet addiction.
I'm not surprised you're attracted to terrific writing like hers, sfexpat, but I'm delighted just the same.

Yes. :thumbsup:

:hi:
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 05:11 AM
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27. GREAT post!
Sometimes I feel as if the sum total of human knowledge can be summed by a few select quotes from the best of us that ever lived. Your post lends credence to this theory. Man, some of those are absolutely priceless. Thanks mate.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 07:04 AM
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29. And thanks right back to you, tkmorris.
All good wishes your way.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 06:08 AM
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28. I hate it when my plug is covered in guacamole. n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 07:05 AM
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30. LOL! Stewart is unbelievably talented, isn't he? He's plenty
funny, but it's the huge mind that sinks its fangs into Bush and won't let go.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 12:30 PM
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31. Congrats!
And thanks, I enjoyed myself at your party!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 04:35 PM
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34. Hi, Kurovski.
Thanks for coming & good wishes right back.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 05:02 PM
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35. Congrats on 20,000, Old Crusoe!
:toast:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 05:07 PM
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36. Hey me b zola, thank you and hello.
I hope all's well in your very progressive city out on the Pacific coast.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:08 PM
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37. !!
:hug: :bounce:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 05:55 PM
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40. Hey omega minimo. In my next life I feel I may return as that bouncing green
frog.

This came to me in a vision while I was using the squirt gun to drive hornets away from the kitchen overhang outside. You can shoot through the screen door. The goal is to discourage the bees from nesting against the kitchen entrance, not to kill or hurt them.

These are the existential dilemmas one faces in these modern times. And that Bush guy? I don't like him much. I don't think he's a real cowboy at all!

Peace to you, good person.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 06:43 PM
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43. Fantastic, inspiring post, OC and I'm gonna
:bounce: it again!! :spray:

Speaking of existential insects: at work, a small wasp nest was knocked down from an eave and left on the ground. A beautiful soft, gray celled nest............ it got stepped upon and squashed flat.

Then it rained. And puffed back into shape.


"And that Bush guy? I don't like him much. I don't think he's a real cowboy at all!"

Agreed. I don't think he's a real actor at all-- just playing one on TV.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. LOL! Yes!
There's no poetry in the little puke. Bush, I mean, not the frog. The frog rocks and rocks righteously into the higher realms.

Bush is the brush-clearin' language-butcherin' xenophobic yahoo plunked down into the Oval Office high chair by the rightwing Supreme Court just over 6 years ago. And that statistic has power. Those six years is actually 60 years for Democrats, something like the concept of "dog years." And for Bush, it's a moot point since he can't count that high anyway.

The next president needs to have some poetry in the blood and bones. If there's no poetry from the Oval Office, the people starve.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #44
57. Crusoe - your line is going into MY little book of quotes!
And my sig, if you don't mind?

The next president needs to have some poetry in the blood and bones. If there's no poetry from the Oval Office, the people starve. - Old Crusoe

Can a 2nd generation removed 'Dust Bowl Okie' be gob-smacked? 'Cuz I just was when I saw that!

Happy 20,000th - fair DUer - happy 20,000th!

On to the next 20,000 ...

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 06:33 AM
Response to Reply #57
58. djmaddox, hi to you.
Edited on Sun May-06-07 06:48 AM by Old Crusoe
People who might have preferred Nixon to Kennedy must have had their reasons for doing so, although I can't imagine what they were.

Kennedy was no slouch himself at language, but because he sat in such a powerful, influential chair, he looked to speech writers to help him write the sustaining caption beneath the picture of each moment.

“When power leads man towards arrogance, poetry reminds him of his limitations. When power narrows the areas of man’s concern, poetry reminds him of the richness and diversity of his existence. When power corrupts, poetry cleanses.”

--John F. Kennedy

I think the great-spirited human is fueled by poetry, by language distilled to its essence. There's none of that in Bush. There wasn't any of it in his old man, either. There's none of it in Babs, there's precious little of it in Pickles, and neverMIND slobberin' Jeb down in Florida.

I listened to Mario Cuomo's keynote address at the 1984 Democratic convention and heard the resonate story of my nation and the many cultures that inform it and define it, and in language that lifted hearts.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mariocuomo1984dnc.htm


Bush is not much better than a back-alley thug. He's as ethically vacuous as another famous Texan, Larry McMurtry's character Hud, from the film of the same name with Paul Newman. A smirking post-adolescent n'er-do-well with a dash of cruelty, a cup and a half of xenophobia, and very limited human range.

I say kind thanks to you for your reply, and all good wishes.

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #58
67. It's been a long couple decades since the rise of Reaganism
but this American heart finally broke driving across town listening to a Bush news op of incomprehensible mumblings including:

"disassemble......... that means to not tell the truth hehe heheh heheheheh."

The nation has been disassembled.

:thumbsdown:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 06:27 AM
Response to Reply #67
68. But o'er the ramparts we watch, OM.
Edited on Mon May-07-07 06:31 AM by Old Crusoe
In Key's original poem the flag is "still there," streaming, but it is through a deep fog, a mist, and is "half-revealing, half disclosing."

Not the lurid, in-your-face flag of Reagan Republicanism flying over every public building and Chevy dealer in the land.

But one hard fought for, and perhaps in tatters, fitfully glimpsed but truly earned.

More in our lifetimes than ever before, it is the flag of Harriet Tubman as well as her wealthier white sisters and brothers. Think of the snarling, barking dogs the cops turned on peace marchers in U.S. cities in the 60s. In those days, Joe Lieberman was a young attorney and went into the American South, inspired by the civil rights movement.

Joe's idealism from those years appears to have moved away and left no forwarding address, but he's criticized on these boards because what he used to represent is something we still hold close.

Under Adolf Hitler and an intrusive, scorched-earth Gestapo, the French Underground helped loosen the bolts that assisted in the downfall of a heartless fascism.

That's worth it. The phoenix myth is powerful in all cultures because it is after all a blindingly beautiful bird arising from ashes.

I don't feel dissembled. If the Bush administration has betrayed me, I'm not the only one betrayed. We're in one strand of history seeking confluence. We have no idea where that will happen, or what the landscape will look like, or who we'll eventually have as neighbors.

The quest is some balance between protection of liberties and risk of their abuse. Yo Yo Ma is on our FM radios playing music that is centuries old. Homer, a blind guy from maybe the 9th century or so before the Common Era, still can enthrall us with soldiers and gods and goddesses on the ramparts of Troy.

Joan Didion says "You play the hand you're dealt and you stay in the action."
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #68
69. It never had to come to this.
I appreciate your romantic view.

As for "staying in the action," if more of We The People had done, this would have been nipped in the bud. ALL this. The nation has been dissembled and disassembled. Putting the pieces back together -- if possible -- with a populace as ignore-ant as this one..... food for more poetry. If anyone will read it. Get it. Remember it. Why do we have to keep going through the same damned lessons over and over and never learn? Within our lifetimes!!

Thank you for the lift. :hug:

http://www.alternativetentacles.com
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. Your thoughts sound to me like the thoughts of a patriot.
Edited on Mon May-07-07 01:16 PM by Old Crusoe
Again -- not the Reagan-style patriot, but the Paine patriot, the true patriot -- the one who knows why Huck rejected all that civilizin' and headed out for the western territories.

But who loves what's lost nevertheless. It's the loved part and not the lost part that matters.

We haven't learned just yet how to re-program our imaginations. Used to be, say back in 1818, young people stood on docks and at the edges of their small agricultural towns and imagined that vast western expanse, considered its dangerous animals and its indigenous peoples, and the dreams those kids dreamed were of that frontier. There was this collective imagination, this we're-dreaming-the-same dream dream.

Not Manifest Destiny, not driving the Sioux into the mountains, not giving smallpox-infested blankets to the Mandan. Not that.

This: that at 11 or 13 or even 19 a child could dream of a frontier-born greatness well beyond and far better than the shitwagon his father's 2 mules are pulling into town for supplies.

In our modern age we have coast-to-coast airplane flights and our satellites can hone in on golf matches and soccer games from Seattle to Key West in seconds.

We'll find a poetry to match our technological imaginations and another frontier will appear. The mother or father of that 11 or 13 year old in 1818 could not have imagined back in England or Germany, for instance, that THEIR child would be dreaming of grizzly bears and wild ponies and trees as tall as Heaven.

Let an alien race from a greatly superior galaxy come to find us down here on our measly little planet. They won't care if we have corrupt politicians or drive-through pharmacies or lamps that light when we clap our hands. But Chopin's Nocturnes, Georgia O'Keeffe's flowers, and Adrienne Rich's poems are going to blow their asses away.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. "When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness."
Edited on Mon May-07-07 10:02 PM by omega minimo
"Used to be, say back in 1818, young people stood on docks and at the edges of their small agricultural towns and imagined that vast western expanse, considered its dangerous animals and its indigenous peoples, and the dreams those kids dreamed were of that frontier. There was this collective imagination, this we're-dreaming-the-same dream dream."

A German 19th Century painter captured the magnificence of Yosemite that a Scotsman wrote about-- igniting imaginations of the American West.




History is a gallery of pictures in which there are few originals and many copies.
Alexis de Tocqueville

"There was this collective imagination, this we're-dreaming-the-same dream dream" was not that long ago and it was that hideous phony, Reagan, who drove a stake through the heart of the American Commonwealth. http://www.thomhartmann.com Current perpetrators seek to make it a permanent non/state. I do not accept that it is lost, just as I do not accept that complacent Americans LIHOP and still won't ADMIT THAT (lack of) responsibility but skip to the step where the fascist future is weakly groaned over as if the color of sneakers we wanted is out of stock at the mall. :puke: Yes, a true patriot.

When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.
Alexis de Tocqueville

"We haven't learned just yet how to re-program our imaginations."

All we have to do is DEprogram our imaginations. "Aye, there's the rub."

"But Chopin's Nocturnes, Georgia O'Keeffe's flowers, and Adrienne Rich's poems are going to blow their asses away."

That and The Simpsons. :evilgrin: :hug:


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 03:53 AM
Response to Reply #71
72. That's right -- it's impossible to argue with the Simpsons.
Beautiful paintings. Just beautiful.

Thank you also for the Tocqueville quotations. Rich color and the long view makes a powerful combination.

And a true hug right back, omega minimo.

We're pals. :hug:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #72
73. "Rich color and the long view makes a powerful combination."
:yourock: :bounce:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:09 PM
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38. All the best! A great collection of quotes O! nt
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. Thanks to ya, Bluebear. And your Joni Mitchell quotation there
in your sig field ain't bad either!

Joni's the best there is. There's no better lyricist anyplace. Among a large group of incredibly gifted lyricists, Joni soars.

ROLLING STONE magazine trashed THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS, and I was going to firebomb their offices but it was my bowling night.

I'm still mad at that review, especially when I think of how enduring those lyrics are.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. It's my favorite album along with Court and Spark
If I was stuck on a desert island and could only have 1 CD yada yada yada... either one of those would suit me fine.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. If there's anybody out there who disagrees with your choices, I will
Edited on Sat May-05-07 09:17 PM by Old Crusoe
personally strangle the sonofabitch. Don't hesitate to pick up the phone. 24/7, holidays included.

_ _ _

"Everything comes and goes / marked by lovers and styles of clothes
Things that you held high and told yourself were true / lost or changing as the days come down to you..."
_ _ _

The woman doesn't owe me another note or another syllable. What a genius.


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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #49
56. Everything comes and goes....
pleasure moves on too early and
trouble leaves too slow.
Just when you're thinking you've finally got it made,
bad news comes knocking at your garden gate,
knocking for you...



----

Genius, plain and simple.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 06:35 AM
Response to Reply #56
59. -- --
:thumbsup:
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:13 PM
Response to Original message
39. Go Democrats !
:loveya: OC

Thanks for keeping it real :toast:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. Definitely not a project for just one person, and that means a hell of a
lot of classy people must be involved in the good stuff, and that would definitely include you.

I credit Jim Webb's victory in Virginia to your determination and skill.

I don't have the exact demographic statistics that prove you were the deciding variable, but I know it in my bones just the same.

And I'm ready for the bluest November 08 you ever saw!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 08:04 PM
Response to Original message
45. Congratulations OC!
For you, from Hamlet, cuz it fits:

He that plays the king shall be welcome; his majesty
shall have tribute of me; the adventurous knight
shall use his foil and target; the lover shall not
sigh gratis; the humourous man shall end his part
in peace; the clown shall make those laugh whose
lungs are tickled o' the sere; and the lady shall
say her mind freely, or the blank verse shall halt
for't. What players are they?


What indeed! Congratulations, it has been a deep pleasure sir, a deep pleasure.

(And yes, I'm currently embarking on a quest to find just the right disclaimer. I'll need it soon enough.)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. In the Prince's austere league no member am I, but your gesture is
sweet and of nonetheless virtue, m'lady, and thanks be to you for its kind offering.

Dark times lay before us and have we but ourselves as lanterns.

TayTay, they don't come any better than you. And the most reliable of elves suggest to me that your service to an honored other is richly earned. I fully agree. Public service is its own authority.

Bless ya, good soul, and onward.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. Thanks again.
And again, congrats. There are few others in here who deserve to have all 20K plus posts read and reread.
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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. "Funny, you don't look elvish."
Edited on Sat May-05-07 09:26 PM by mloutre


But that doesn't mean that it is not the way of my people, either.

Ahem.

Blessed be you and yours, friend Crusoe.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:35 PM
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53. I endorse a pro-elven platform, ever since the vision of pianist
Murray Perahia playing Chopin's b-minor sonata. It was made clear to me that only elven hands could do what Perahia does with that piece. This is the first time I've gone public with that theory. I expect to hear from Larry King's people any moment now.

It's a long story and if I told you the whole thing, even in summary, it would put you into a coma.

And you are one person this country cannot afford to have out of commission. "Otter" in resourcefulness and fun and adaptability, certainly, but a trans-evolved otter in all the high functions.

Post more often so we can enjoy still more.

And thank you, scholar-adventurer.
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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. "Although," he segued not entirely non-sequiturally...
Edited on Sat May-05-07 10:03 PM by mloutre
"...given the implied subtext of the OP's title on top of a random riff off of the comment I made immediately above this one in the chain, then maybe this is an appropriate time to plug one of my all-time-favorite online comic strips with a pic from their spinoff merchandise line, as seen at http://goats.com/store/rfv.html ..."





You don't have to be a corrupt evil bastard who hates all that is right and just and honest and true in order to vote for Republicans... but it helps.


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. That bottom quotation sums it up for me on Republicans.
They were a fairly nondescript bunch until Nixon branded them with his own magic touch.

I thank you for that link. Just zipped over there for a moment to have a peek. The little baby with the Voldemort t-shirt is disconcerting. Isn't there someone we should call?



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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #55
60. Glad you like it. Feel free to steal it early & often.
Edited on Sun May-06-07 09:11 AM by mloutre
I was just trying to come up with some appropriate caption slash tag line for that pic and, well, there ya go.

Sometimes even the dumbest otter still gets lucky with a bon mot every now and again, just as even a broken clock is still right twice a day.

And just as even a broken Bu$hCo administration is still right... um... well, actually, I reckon as how they're pretty much right all the time. Which is probably why they're so wrong all the time, too.

Okay, so never mind carrying that semi-silly simile any farther, then. But that's not to say there's no point in having given it a shot in the cause of adding an extra fillip or two to what one has to say on DU, nu?

After all -- a man's speech must exceed his grasp, else what's a metaphor?

Happy Sunday morning, OC. This is the day that She has made, let us rejoice and be glad in't.


cheers (and roebuck),
Otter



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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Sunday it is. And good morning right back. Well, it's early afternoon
already, I guess.

Some otters do a lot better than the occasional bon mot. A lot better. And others are better off for it, too.

Is today the day the Queen of England dines with our president at the White House? Yesterday she watched 20 horses run a race. I hope today's White House event won't be too much of a let-down. I wonder if Dubya will order up Spaghettios extra special for the Queen.

Pretty high turn-out in the French election today. The French are so quaint. They still value a participatory democracy.



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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 08:34 PM
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46. 20,000 posts! That's a lot!
Congratulations. :toast: And we need more Dolly Partons.

--IMM
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. IMModerate, thank you. Your avatar art is dazzling, if I may please say so, and
your 'Sushi' fish thingy is terrific.

Dolly Parton's one of the strongest arguments I can think of for cloning. The Village Voice, of all publications, very early on ran an article on Dolly Parton, long before 9 to 5, long before Dollywood -- long before any of the higher-profile accomplishments. It was early on in her solo career after the career split wth Portner Waggoner.

The article was called "Dolly Parton is Such Sweet Sorrow." The VOICE tends toward the far edge of the social rostrum, but Dolly Parton brought them to their knees.

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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #52
62. Thank you kindly. There's a story.
But first, I think I should have included that I have been reading your posts here for years, and have always appreciated your talent for expression. You are one of the characters that makes this place so much fun. I'm not sure if I mostly agree with you, or disagree with you, but your handle was on a lot of posts that touched me.

On the avatar: During the 70s, I was dating (though we didn't call it that, then) a young woman, a violinist. We were in her apartment, and she whipped out some acrylics and a canvas board, and painted that of me in about five minutes. Needless to say, I treasure it, and for more reasons than that it's me. Ironically, and weirdly, the picture stays young while I grow old. I scanned it, and overcame my reluctance to use myself as my avatar. Seems narcissistic.

About the bumperfish: (That's what I call them.) Part of a series I've been long playing with in PhotoShop, though this time I did it from a frame in Illustrator and moved it to PhotoShop to apply the "finish." To be fair, there are those who love Jesus, and some of us just love fish, and want the driving public to be aware of this. I have an update with better graphics, and I want to make it smaller, I would love to have some manufactured. :)

Thanks for the info on Dolly. I wasn't an early fan but I've admired her for a long time. Aside from the physical and personal things that made her an object of curiosity, she stood out as having more artistic integrity than some of her peers. And she could play the guitar with inch-long fingernails!

--IMM
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 10:48 PM
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66. What a great story on the art in the avatar. A strong case can be made
that to some extent or other, one is contained in one's avatar. I love the story. If that woman violinist did that in just a few minutes, perhaps painting and not violin is her truer calling. Your avatar is an emblem of the psychic intimacy of a crucial emotional time in your life. There's not a damned thing narcissitic about wishing to remember it, or preserve it, or honor it. Good for you.

Yes, on the bumperfish. An informed driving public is an inspired driving public.

Thank you, IMModerate. A great contribution to this thread.

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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 12:42 PM
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63. "When we realize we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained"
Mark Twain

"Reality is nothing more than a collective hunch"

Lily Tomlin

"As I grow older and older
And totter toward the tomb
I find that I care less and less
About who goes to bed with whom"

Dorothy Sayers

"Washington is a city of southern efficiency and northern charm"

John F Kennedy

Just a few of my favorite quotes for one of my favorite posters. I'll close with a piece of doggerel my mother taught me...

"As I was walking up the stair
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away!"

Thanks for the 20K.....



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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 01:17 PM
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64. hugh mearns' doggerel can beat up your catterel
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 10:39 PM
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65. rowdyboy. It's not often enough that
I cross paths with you on these boards.

It's my loss, too.

Some mighty fine things you just posted for us there.

Thank you.

& good wishes.
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