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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 09:49 PM Original message |
Tax the rich until their freakin eyes bleed - by: MinistryOfTruth |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R'd, and a question: |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. 91% Top Tax Rate Under Republican President Eisenhower |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
151. No wonder |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
183. I know the number is accurate, but what loopholes existed at the time in the tax structure? |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:33 AM Response to Reply #183 |
188. All Told, The Wealthiest Americans Paid 50% in Federal Taxes Back Then |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. I wish I could recommend this multiple times |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
125. Brilliant!! |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
132. +1 |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
143. +1000 this post (n/t) |
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progressiveinaction (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
224. Do you consider Obama rich? |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
4. Even total confiscation will last the govt about 15 mins, tops. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. garbage. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Add it up yourself. |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Should we allow thugs who create nothing to steal 5 billion, more than 250,000 teachers make!!!!! |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Movie stars, and sports stars make more than teachers |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #20 |
33. When a thug sitting behind a computer taking money from others, it is STEALING... |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:08 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. No, it's a job like any other. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
198. that's what sociopaths call it.. a "job" |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #20 |
34. CLOSE DOWN WALL STREET... They are nothing but criminals... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. 1% of the population owns or control 90% of the productive assets of the planet. |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:05 AM Original message |
But the 99% of the people at the bottom are the REAL PRODUCERS... |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
38. The rich are pretty useless... and without the money they stole they couldn't tie their shoes... |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. That's just ideology. |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
140. JJ Rawlings did that in Ghana |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
154. As history has shown, |
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nebenaube (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
158. not if they don't have passports... n/t |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Not! |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Counter-productive anger. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. lol. dangerous for the rich. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. No, they'll just leave. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:35 AM Response to Reply #28 |
52. they going to fly their land, plant & equipment to bermuda? |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:41 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. All they need to take is the money. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:27 AM Response to Reply #56 |
65. The money's useless if you can't buy land, buildings, & equipment with it, sucker. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Easily available anywhere. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. So's money. Should we choose to, we can print as much as we like of the stuff and fund |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Yes hyper- inflation is a wonderful thing. Try it. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:58 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. lol. you don't know what "inflation" is, or what "investments" are, apparently. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:01 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Hyper inflation is well defined. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:05 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. god, you're clueless. printing money doesn't = "hyperinflation". |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:07 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Yes, it does actually. Ask Germany. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:15 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. could you be any more trite & clueless? germany's hyperinflation had nothing |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:18 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. You are wasting your time, and mine. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:21 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. lol. good riddance, mr. billionaire. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:22 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. 'Night. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:27 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. no need to extend the goodbyes, mr. billionaire. toddle off to bed, now. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #98 |
155. Deleted message |
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #94 |
102. i guess you know the causes of the german hyperinflation better than Hjalmar Schacht. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:05 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. If you are saying German hyperinflation had nothing to do with printing money |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:04 AM Response to Reply #92 |
104. Germany's and Zimbabwe's hyperinflation had nothing to do with printing money? REALLY? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:14 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. you only think it's "garbage" because the only story you've ever heard is about "printing money". |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:26 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. I have a different question. What do you think happens when you print money? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:39 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. tell me why prices went *down* in germany when schacht printed rentenmarks & kept the old marks |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:55 AM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Printing money is a factor that causes inflation. That doesn't mean it's the only variable. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:08 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I understand perfectly well what inflation is, no need for the condescending econ 101 definitions, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:16 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. You asked what hyperinflation was. I told you. How is that condescending? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:23 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. you didn't tell me what hyperinflation is. you gave me the junior high version. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:46 AM Response to Reply #115 |
117. I actually do specifically tell you the characteristics of hyperinflation in the next paragraph. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:56 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. "a positive feedback loop" is also characteristic of a speculative bubble. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 05:11 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. The only reason those charts look at all similar |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 05:47 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. they both graph a short-term price change in a commodity. in one, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:20 AM Response to Reply #120 |
122. "and in the case of the us dollar, what can you go to the government & get?" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. 1) the market did indeed give people "something" for their trillion marks, |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #126 |
150. I have read the entire exchange, and you simply don't appear to understand much about economics. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #150 |
164. i have two masters' degrees, & i've understood every word both posters wrote. none of it's anything |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #164 |
171. And I'm an astronaut in my spare time, when not busy performing neurosurgery in famous hospitals |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:13 AM Response to Reply #171 |
186. bItE mE |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #186 |
193. That's about what I figured. n/t. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. lol. mr. "you can get pell grants to attend college these days," mr "you didn't capitalize rome!' |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #194 |
197. There is a distinction between helping someone as they struggle with the written word, and indulging |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. alas, the record shows you as firing the first salvo. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #199 |
205. Making a cogent observation about someone's apparent lack of knowledge regarding history & economics |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #205 |
206. here's a cogent comment: |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. Your concession in this debate via resort to pure *ad hominem* is noted. Have a nice day. n/t. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. start here: |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #208 |
209. Last word! |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #208 |
211. Asked & answered in #205 above. Since you obviously either missed it or did not read it, here: |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #211 |
213. i get it. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #213 |
216. I continue to appreciate your ongoing concession in this debate via resort to *ad hominem* attack. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. ... |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. .... |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. Your refusal to acknowledge the actual words on the screen in front of you does not change the fact |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #126 |
166. Hannah, with all due respect, I think you're in over your head here. nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #166 |
169. in "over my head"? like "the german hyperinflation was caused by overuse of the printing press," |
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NM_hemilover (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #166 |
223. As entertaining as this has been to read, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:27 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. . |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #28 |
53. Well wooptie fucking do! What good are they doing anyone but their own rich asses anyway? |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Employing millions of people? |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:53 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Nope not falling for the hostage bullshit. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Fine, don't. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:09 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Po folk already how to make do with nothing afterall. It will be the richies who suffer when push |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:16 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. They'll be gone. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:28 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. And you think the money could not be followed? Hmmmf |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Followed? Probably not. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. so what? The US is the least densely populated, most resource-rich developed country on the planet |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:30 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Definitely excepting Canada. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:43 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Arable land is pretty basic unless you want to eat your "money". |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:49 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Lots of arable land in the world. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:53 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. not in developed countries, bubba. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:55 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Yes, in developed countries. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:02 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. lol. why would we send you our food? |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Other developed countries don't need your food. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:08 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. apparently some of them do, as germany, switzerland, japan, etc. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:09 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. The US isn't self-sufficient in food. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:18 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. ah, but it is. & "countries trade" partly out of need, partly out of desire, & partly because |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Yeah, how are your coffee crops anyway? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:30 AM Response to Reply #95 |
101. not that coffee is one of the major food groups, but just fine: |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #83 |
157. Ah yes... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
156. There is a law that US |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #57 |
77. anyone who holds the productive assets can "employ millions of people". |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:50 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Well then do it. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #80 |
170. sign over the productive assets & i will. as will anyone. because the assets are WORTHLESS unless |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
146. Millions of people could employ tthemselves in co-ops. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
196. Well, that was the justification of the trickle downers. Doesnt' seem they lived up to their side of |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
200. you mean taking advantage of people by paying peanuts |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:32 AM Response to Reply #28 |
116. They have already taken many of the jobs away. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
128. The XIX Century called, they want their false libertarian talking points back.... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
136. Exactly. You have progressive taxation |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #136 |
182. Huh? We sure do have a progressive tax code. It may not |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:32 AM Response to Reply #182 |
185. I think the top rate being 36% is less than progressive |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. i was responding to this: |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Simple truth. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:37 AM Response to Reply #31 |
54. i've already shown you're full of shit, mr t. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:43 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. No, you've just ranted. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
159. It's |
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Atticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. An over-the-top exaggeration totally unsupported by any facts or references. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. If you mean mine, it's easily figured out by simple |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. please do the addition, oh wise one. cause i get different numbers. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. You don't get any numbers, because you aren't adding. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Even using your own stupid premise, you're wrong. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Hey, play with the stats any way you like. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. unlike yourself, i actually presented numbers. you're spouting crap. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. The numbers are easily available; |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. yes, & i just linked them, & you're full of it. and everyone can see it, so you may as well slink |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. No, you have no idea what the numbers are. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:26 AM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Fine, $1.42 trillion, including $159 billion in TARP, some portion of which has been paid off. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:28 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. $403B is a drop in the bucket. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:36 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. The post you responded to doesn't say anything about $403 billion. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. You aren't reading any of this are you... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. bullshit. bill gates' net worth alone = $57 billion. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:52 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. A trillion is a thousand billion. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:25 AM Response to Reply #81 |
99. not yet, buddy. not even after 9 years. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #99 |
138. +1 nt |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #81 |
147. Oh, it's "confiscation" now? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
180. Owned! |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
161. Obama put Iraq |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #161 |
173. nah, he's a billionaire living in canada! & judging from his denigration of the US, |
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Atticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Again, you fail or refuse to define your terms and fail or refuse to add---- |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. I've been very clear. |
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Atticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. One thing is indeed clear: this kind of avoidance and obfuscation is not accidental. nt. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:14 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. No, in fact it isn't even occurring. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. he's full of crap. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. It's your ideology and resentment |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:32 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. byeee |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
139. Obviously not an accident. nt |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
167. leave?. . .and go where??? The U.S. tax system is one of the lowest any place! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. k |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
6. k/r |
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Mojeoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Phony Farm Subsidies, Off Shore Tax Havens, Out-Sourcing Production |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
10. "Till their eyes bleed" +1 |
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Atticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
11. THIS---- righteous anger at the excesses of Big Business at the expense of working men and women, |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. Returning WWII vets got the GI Bill which led to the biggest explosion of middle class wealthy |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. 'In the history of mankind' is stretching it. |
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Atticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. How do you define "middle class" and which other countries had one before the US? nt |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. There is the upper class and the working class. |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. The GI Bill created the biggest middle class in the world and in history. |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:06 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Rome had a middle class So did Greece. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
103. rome had nothing like a modern "middle class". nor was "everyone" devastated by ww2. |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #103 |
124. The US had the greatest increase in 'middle class' in history, PERIOD... |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #103 |
152. "rome" (Sic) had no middle class? Wow - economics AND history are simply not your strong suit. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #152 |
165. Deleted message |
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174. Deleted message |
Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:19 AM Response to Reply #152 |
187. and reading evidently isn't yours, as i said nothing like "rome had no middle class" |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #187 |
192. "rome (Sic) had nothing like a modern "middle class". " - "i said nothing like "rome had no middle |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. i suggest you enroll in that remedial course posthaste if you see them as contradictory. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #195 |
202. They are, of course, directly contradictory. You see this, but it's too late to "edit message." |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #202 |
210. don't need to edit anything, as the difference is obvious. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #210 |
214. The difference is obvious, to be sure: the two statements contradict one another. They also happen |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #187 |
215. Don't you remember all those Romans driving cars, using electricity, washing machines, etc... |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
129. Wow, you have no idea what you are talking about. Do you... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #129 |
141. Some will say anything to defend the supply side fiasco. nt |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:17 AM Response to Reply #15 |
107. Just because there was a 90% marginal tax rate doesn't mean anyone paid CLOSE to 90% |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #107 |
144. Which is why Kennedy proposed lowering it to 74% and closing the loopholes |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
17. K&R |
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Cresent City Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
29. I agree with the new bracket |
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samplegirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
44. Excellent Post! |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
49. If you want to talk ideology and resentment |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
131. LOL, talk about projection... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #131 |
160. Maybe he's from that liquor family.... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #160 |
175. bronfman. but they were originally russian, so that explains it. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
145. Finally! |
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Soulis (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
60. K and YAY! |
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ZeitgeistObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
96. 'Night. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:50 AM Response to Original message |
111. works for me. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
121. Tax Wealth n/t |
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Martin Eden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
123. HELL YEAH |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
127. K&R |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
130. Amen To THAT !!! - K & R !!! |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
133. Yup. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
134. k&r |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
135. K&R. I want PUNITIVE tax rates. Yes, PUNITIVE. |
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Speciesamused (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
137. YES |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
142. and then tax their spawn and their grandspawn into oblivion. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
148. I don't like across-the-board indictments |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #148 |
162. outsourcing |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #162 |
201. +1 nt |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #162 |
220. Again, who did he rob? |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #220 |
222. He has outsourced jobs |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #222 |
225. I believe Apple sold its last US factory before Jobs came back |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #225 |
226. Yeah for |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #226 |
228. 200 stores |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #228 |
229. Yea...we |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. Apple used to make computers in the US |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #230 |
232. Yep.... |
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scarletlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
149. Ditto that! |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
153. If by "tax" you mean "behead", then I'm with ya! |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #153 |
163. Thank you so much..... |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #163 |
177. I'm serious. These people are malignant tumor, and |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
168. bookmarked |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
172. everyone should be taxed fairly imho |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
176. This is bigotry... |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #176 |
181. I don't believe we are talking about people like yourself and your wife. |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #181 |
184. Here's what I got out of this thread..... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #184 |
203. Sure you are. |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
178. I don't like the current tax system... |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
179. The stimulus is just that... |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
189. This is the kind of thread that makes moderates run away screaming |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:52 AM Response to Reply #189 |
190. only under peculiarly "liberal" definitions of socialism. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. I have no idea what you're talking about |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:08 AM Response to Reply #191 |
221. i have no idea what *you're* talking about when you talk about "socialist" countries letting |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #189 |
204. Moderate Democrats = Reagan Democrats |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #189 |
212. sure it does... I don't think most people give a damn about billionaires |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:44 PM Original message |
Without the poor, the rich would be poor too. |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
227. Without the poor, the rich would be poor too. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
231. If the horses don't shit, the sparrows don't eat? |
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