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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:36 PM
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The Pentagon Papers Are Public This Time
If a new Daniel Ellsberg were to release a new pile of Pentagon Papers exposing the lies behind the Afghanistan War, or even the past few decades of misdeeds by our country in that one, the result would differ from what happened to Ellsberg in a number of stark ways. No newspaper would touch it. The whistleblower would go to prison. Little of substance would be added to what we already know and tolerate. Nobody would be impeached. And no war would end.

These thoughts occurred to me for the second time on Wednesday when I had occasion to watch for the second time the film "The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers," when the Naro Cinema in Norfolk, Va., asked me to speak and lead a discussion following the screening.

In the movie, Ellsberg recounts his experience of trying to choose a patrol to go out with in Vietnam in order to experience the war for himself. He learns that all the maps of night patrols passed around in the Pentagon, even to high-level staff like himself, are pure fiction, that the U.S. troops stay home at night, when the entire nation is owned by the Viet Cong. Following this past month's glorious victory over the fictional city of Marja in Afghanistan, the Taliban still controls that rural area by night, and cooperation with the occupiers is the surest way of getting yourself killed. Sounds at least similar, right? It's not. What was happening in Vietnam was kept from the American people. What is happening in Afghanistan is in newspapers and available online.

In the film, Ellsberg tells us about flying in a plane with Secretary of So-Called Defense Robert McNamara and having a conversation in which McNamara argues that the war has gone from bad to worse. Then McNamara gets off the plane and tells the press that the war is improving and things are looking up. Our ambassador in Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry recently wrote to President Obama about the hopelessness of the war in Afghanistan, and then lied about rosy progress to the United States Congress. See the parallel? There isn't one. Nobody knew what McNamara had said on that plane. Eikenberry's statements are public.

In the film we see President Lyndon Johnson stubborn as a donkey in his determination to "win" in Vietnam, and we now know that the Pentagon understood there was no possible way to do that. Today we see the same approach from the White House and its servile court of congressional jesters, but it's public knowledge that military experts believe there's no possible way to win. The National Security Advisor says more troops will just be swallowed up. Top generals say hundreds of thousands of troops would be needed, and that civilian efforts would be needed at a level four times higher than the military effort. There is no serious dispute that the war in Afghanistan cannot possibly be "won" and that the entire "global war on terror" has produced a global increase in terror. The Pentagon acknowledges that the enemy in the war, Al Qaeda, is not in the nation where the war is happening. Let me repeat that: the enemy ISN'T THERE. This is nothing like President Johnson's situation. When he sent troops to Vietnam, he pretended it would make a difference. When President Obama sent 21,000 troops and 5,000 mercenaries to Afghanistan last year, he did it for its own sake, saying he would later try to devise a strategy for the war.

Ellsberg is shown in footage from the time of the Pentagon Papers' release saying that he thought the lesson to be learned was that the president must not be allowed to run the country without the Congress or the public. Yet, we now have members of congress who claim to be "opponents" or "critics" of the war who explain their votes to fund it by saying they want to obey the President. In a Senate committee hearing on Wednesday morning we watched Republican senators ask the Attorney General to violate the Constitution, and Democratic senators support allowing the president to comply with the law if he chooses, even arguing that complying with the law should be acceptable because President George W. Bush sometimes did so.

John Dean makes an appearance in the film. He came to believe that Bush's White House was far more abusive than Nixon's, and he predicted that Bush's successor would be one of two things, either the best or the worst president in history. He, or she, would either undo the damage and prosecute the crimes, or protect the criminals and continue the abuses. Ellsberg was active in the campaign to impeach Bush and Cheney. He argued that the impeachment campaign against Nixon facilitated the passage of progressive legislation and helped to end the Vietnam War.

Congress let Bush walk away, and we are left with a president who claims the powers of illegal war, murder, lawless imprisonment, torture, warrantless spying, and unprecedented secrecy and legal immunity. What's left to expose? We know the drones mostly kill innocent people, and that we are the illegal aggressor against all of those we kill. We know the night raids murder more people now than the drones. We know that the leading cause of death for U.S. troops is suicide. We know that we are going into financial debt and making ourselves less safe. Our paid assassins told the LA Times this week, in regard to moving their focus from Iraq to Afghanistan: "Hunting season is over in Iraq." If you were going to blow a whistle, where the hell would you blow it?

That's not a rhetorical question. There is an answer. You would blow it on the internet. And if enough of them are blown, if enough people speak out, highlight atrocities, and refuse to cooperate with evil, it will make a difference. One whistleblower might not have as much impact anymore. We need deep reforms in our communications system and our election system, so we are playing with one hand tied behind our backs. But a thousand one-handed people can do anything. Until we pass a whistleblowers bill of rights and a media shield, and enforce them, we should be building a fund and a legal services organization to support and protect whistleblowers. There may not be a dangerous man left anywhere in government, given the openness of our public crimes. But there is still a dangerous group of men and women yet to be brought together, yet to grasp the superior and more enjoyable and rewarding life Ellsberg has led since he stepped out of line 39 years ago.

"Glaubt es mir - das Geheimnis, um die größte Fruchtbarkeit und den größten Genuß vom Dasein einzuernten, heisst: gefährlich leben." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:40 PM
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1. A most excellent post.
K&R

:kick:
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:31 PM
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2. Another Great Post
The majority of Democrats showed their true colors when their opposition to Bush's war transmogrified into support for Obama's war. They'll offer a bunch of rationalizations about why it's different now, but it's just political subterfuge.

This is about Power. Those who now believe they have a grasp on power care as little as the previous group about what they must do, what rules they must break, what principles they must violate, to hold onto Power. The Powers That Be have no more inhibitions about resorting to the same arguments about "vital national interests" (Does anybody see the word "defense" in that?) used by The Powers That Were.

But here's the national joke: The Powers That Be ARE The Powers That Were. And TPTB/TPTW isn't we the people or our elected representatives. The people are a minor technicality that can be dealt with by election year marketing methods, and the elected officials are just purchased once they step inside the Beltway.

As to why the majority of people don't care about the war, I've come to the simple conclusion that it's because it isn't them doing the sacrificing. The majority of either party isn't serving in the military, and they aren't even paying the real time cost of the wars. ESPN is still transmitting, the Budweiser is still flowing, and the majority of Americans still have jobs. What's to oppose?

Thank you for your posts.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 11:51 PM
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13. "The Powers That Be ARE The Powers That Were."
True and not a happy thought.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:43 AM
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15. No, but look...
Edited on Sat Apr-17-10 01:05 AM by Goldstein1984
The number of responses Swanson's post is getting on DU proves his point.

This nation needs to crumble so something better can be built from the rubble. There's no way I'm going to willingly turn this corrupt empire over to my grandchildren as is.

On edit: Fixed typo
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:58 AM
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16. I'm with you on that. nt
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:39 PM
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3. Thank you David..incredible thread! and writing! and truth! ..that truth stuff is getting hard to
find nowadays...in fact post the truth here and you might get your head chewed off!

You are a breath of fresh air... among spin and excuses, anymore here at DU.

Thank you for truth!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 02:24 AM
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4. Thank you David. That film is a must see for anyone
Who wants to remember what the real America was like - back in the day when Major Newspapers really printed news.

And it is also a great film for anyone who thought of Ellsberg as a hero. Glad to see that his sacrifice was put down on film for posterity.

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Lagomorph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 02:41 AM
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5. And now we see that....
...government is a dirty business.

If we continue to spend the way we have, a lot more foreign cultures will have to fall under the boots of our stormtroopers.

The world is tired of buying our debt, they need the money a lot more than we do. They are worried about their next meal, or living another day, not their government's pensions. Unemployment insurance and healthcare simply don't exist in the countries under our boots. A soup kitchen is a luxury for them, if they don't get blown up or shot while waiting.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 03:09 AM
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6. K&R
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:54 AM
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7. How can we change the deranged
path that America now follows? I think the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE would be a start. Our media is the largest enabler (of course, they are owned by the corporate, Fascist ruling class). There are so many things to do and no headway is being made. We must remove money from politics, yet the SCOTUS just sold all politicians to the highest bidder....The people are so thoroughly propagandized that they could care less...
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:23 AM
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8. i don't think the fairness doctrine will help
but i think the idea goes in the right direction

which i explain a lot more in my book
http://davidswanson.org/book
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 11:42 AM
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10. If "news" programs are required to report facts and label
their commentary as such (just like when I was a kid)AND give free air-time to people with opposing views, how will that not help? All of the fox fans will be subjected to rational, truthful viewpoints. I have not read your book David, but I don't agree. How can something be a "step in the right direction" and not be helpful? Surely, you agree with public only financed elections?
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Aaria Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 10:59 AM
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9. I believe that it was McNamara that said, "This will never happen again."
He was referring to the ending of the war in Vietnam, and the fact that the citizens were acting as one against it. Well he was right, they have effectively divided the country so that we can't agree on anything. Also the media is being ran by the same people that are running the wars. Pitiful.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 09:55 PM
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11. Thought of Ellsberg this week when the DOJ indicted a former NSA official
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/nsa-executive-charged/

NSA Official Faces Prison for Leaking to Newspaper

A former senior National Security Agency official was slammed with a 10-count indictment Thursday after allegedly leaking top secret information to a reporter at a national newspaper.

Thomas Andrews Drake, 52, was a high-ranking NSA employee with access to signals intelligence documents when he repeatedly leaked classified information to the unnamed reporter, who ran stories based on the leaks between February 2006 and November 2007, the indictment alleges.

Fox News is reporting that the journalist was Siobhan Gorman, who worked at the time for the Baltimore Sun and is now a reporter with The Wall Street Journal, which is published by Fox parent corporation News Corp.

According to the indictment, Drake exchanged hundreds of e-mails with the reporter, and the two met in the Washington, D.C., area half a dozen times. Drake also researched stories for the journalist, sending e-mail to other NSA employees asking questions, and accessing classified documents to obtain information.

Drake even “reviewed, commented on, and edited drafts, near final and final drafts” of the reporter’s articles, according to the government.

He later allegedly shredded documents and lied about his activity to federal agents investigating the leaks.

Articles Gorman published at the time dealt with the threat of cyberattacks and the NSA’s struggles to modernize its data collection and sifting technology. A February 2006 article discussed the failure of a $300 million NSA project management system and other mission-critical software programs the agency needed to combat terrorism and attacks.

Another article published in May 2006 discussed a collection program called ThinThread that was abandoned in favor of another program called Trailblazer. Privacy safeguards that were inherent in ThinThread and not in Trailblazer were dropped as a result. Gorman wrote:

NSA managers did not want to adopt the data-sifting component of ThinThread out of fear that the Trailblazer program would be outperformed and “humiliated,” an intelligence official said.

Without ThinThread’s data-sifting assets, the warrantless surveillance program was left with a sub-par tool for sniffing out information, and that has diminished the quality of its analysis, according to intelligence officials.

Sources say the NSA’s existing system for data-sorting has produced a database clogged with corrupted and useless information.

Gorman attributed information in the articles to anonymous sources and, in at least one article published in March 2007, said the source was given anonymity because the document discussed was “classified” in nature.


Read More http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/nsa-executive-charged/#ixzz0lK2LBAlb



http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/41527

Fire Dog Lake: Obama DoJ indicts NSA whistleblower…are you mad yet?

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skeptical cynic Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 11:45 PM
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12. From the FDL piece: "...violating the government’s trust..."
The NSA employee "violated the government's trust?"

What about the government violating the people's trust?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 11:54 PM
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14. It's all in plain sight.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 01:22 AM
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17. That was a real eye opener. I had no idea. nt
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 01:58 AM
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18. Everything is being done out in the open because
(1) the nation has been so dumbed down and entertained to death that no one cares
(2) the transnational class has such a security apparatus in place that they know nothing can be done anyway

Yeah, I'm cynical tonight. Sorry.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 02:11 AM
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19. After reading this together with the linked post on Goss, a little cynicism is in order, I think.
Or a lot of cynicism, more likely.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 01:59 PM
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22. I think the generation that was able to do something died
These folks need to be taken on and, as David said, it's all out there. They're not even hiding anymore.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 02:48 AM
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20. Too late to rec but really terrific post! Thank you.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 02:51 AM
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21. Excellent post! nt
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