Are we really going to get creamed in November?

[Cary]

I know I should not say "we" because even though this is "Democratic Underground" many posters here have disassociated themselves with the Democratic Party, some even going so far as to identify with teahadists.

But I can't believe people would revert back to wingnut nutbar clueless mopes whose only answer is to go back to the policies of the Bush administration who drove us into this ditch in the first place.

And you know what? I think that's exactly what we're going to get: wingnut nutbar clueless mopes.

[seabeyond]

1. no. i dont think so. nt

[Cary]

2. What makes you so sure? n/t

[seabeyond]

8. seeing how i cant see the future 6 month from now and what happens, it is only a matter of opinion

hence my i dont THINK so.

day after election, i will know for sure.

[seabeyond]

10. i think if obama continues as he is, more decisive, supreme crt appt,

and the continued retardedness of the repug party, we will be set to go

repug are killing themselves.

[Cary]

15. No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of

the American people.

[seabeyond]

19. you asked for an opinion, i gave it. no i dont think we will be creamed, not even close

not kinda, not a little, not sorta.

[Cary]

22. So?

Are you saying I'm not allowed to reply?

[seabeyond]

28. you're right.

for a minute i was taking your comments as an insistance we would be creamed. almost a demand of us being creamed.

[Cary]

59. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I certainly do not insist that we will be creamed but I'm not going to try to tell you that people aren't stupid enough to do that.

[MrSlayer]

3. If the corporate media has their way, yes.

But we shall see, the economic recovery is on and a lot of people got tax refunds they may not have expected.

[otohara]

101. Bingo

Evil FOX will sponsor more "hate liberal" rallies and spew venom on the TV & radio.

I dread the 2012 elections, because of the corporate media.

[MrMickeysMom]

4. No... I just think very desparet people will do anything...

... to make us feel that way.

There are some very worried doornobs out there waiting to be turned by the corporatist.

[provis99]

5. I haven't seen evidence of a Republican blowout.

I'm betting based on the regression analysese that I've run, that Republicans will pick up about 10-12 seats in the House, and 1 or 2 seats in the Senate. That ain't a blowout, its just par for the course when the President's party is facing a midterm election.

[Bluebear]

6. 'some even going so far as to identify with teahadists' - can you cite one example?

[Cary]

Is your memory really that selective?

How about Thom Hartmann?

[Bluebear]

16. Thom Hartmann is a poster here?

[Elwood P Dowd]

18. Thom has over 200 posts here, and most are recent.

Edit to add: Here is one from yesterday.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x455401

[Bluebear]

23. Thank you. I don't visit the videos section, I just asked a civil question.

"Is your memory really that selective!?" Whatever lol.

[Cary]

24. What do you expect me to say?

"Respectfully, is your memory really that selective?"

There was a huge blowout over this. Certainly you recall that blowout.

I was actually being courteous by asking you that question. What I was really thinking was that you are being obtuse.

[Bluebear]

25. No I don't recall that blowout, nor do I follow Hartmann or realize he is now a Tea Party pusher.

Thank you. :)

[Cary]

30. Then you're way behind.

I think I'm behind on this because I had to stop listening to Hartmann over it. I find teahadist to be repulsive.

I had to ride the train home with a few of the filthy rabble today as they had their "tea" nonsense downtown and my normal routine was invaded by the presence of rank stupidity.

While I appreciate Hartmann's thoughts he is seriously misguided if he thinks there is any efficacy in forging any kind of alliance with these slugs.

Maybe he's reconsidered over the past few weeks? I don't know. I haven't seen any such dumpster diving going on here since HCR, I don't think, although a couple of posts in this thread are head scratchers.

Sorry if I sounded snarky to you. My ire is clearly focused on the morans.

[Bluebear]

33. All good.

It's quite a topic for me as well because one of my dearest friends has gone "tea party". It's like I never knew her.

She's following rallies around like some new devotee to a new religion, like she needs deprogamming.

[tnlefty]

36. He's not...

all he's been trying to demonstrate is that there is a populist anger in the country right now, and that there isn't much of pushback from the left...

He's been advocating trying to get the teabaggers to realize that corporatism is what is ailing all of us, but what the hell.

[Elwood P Dowd]

39. You are correct.

Some people here totally took Thom out of context with his teabagger comments a few months ago. I've listened to him just about every single weekday for years. He simply wants to re-channel the teabaggers anger towards the source of their (and our) problems.

[Cary]

60. For one thing, who is "our?"

For another, I respectfully suggest that perhaps you took those of us who are disappointed by this out of context.

Thom, and apparently you, interpret the teahadists' anger as something functional that you can "re-channel." It isn't. These are "conservatives" and full of shit.

Their anger is an irrational and illogical hatred of what they call "Liberal," which is us. That's probably the only thing that really binds "conservatives." Otherwise they are a mishmash of disjointed, made up concepts and thinly-veiled racism.

They disgust me and if you lie down with dogs, you can definitely get fleas.

Generally I like Thom and respect him. In this instance, yich.

[tnlefty]

75. Hey Elwood P Dowd!

Haven't seen you in the Truthseeker thread in a while. Yes, Thom realizes that there is a populist anger brewing and the 'left' isn't on the scene to capture any of it, so the rightwing nuts are there.

[Hutzpa]

64. Really

looking at that video it seems like Thom is playing reverse psychology, do you
understand reverse psychology?

[tnlefty]

35. What is your point with Thom Hartmann?

Really, I would like to know. I listen daily and what he's been trying to point out for weeks/months is that there is a populist anger in this country and that there is no one on the left to step up to make it's case. I'm a donor to the Southern Poverty Law Center and they've been making the same case for over a year now.

Trying to smear Mr. Hartmann is a new low. You wanna try to smear the SPLC, too?

[Cary]

63. Odd. So if I disagree with Thom Hartmann I'm "smearing" him?

I'm not entitled to disagree with him and say that I disagree with him?

Really?

[tnlefty]

73. You may disagree with him all you want.

Have at it.

Do you deny that there isn't a populist anger brewing and that the left hasn't stepped up to fill the vacuum? I've been receiving mailings from the SPLC for over 18 months stating the same.

Taking anything out of context without the whole picture to use against someone is dishonest at best, might be considered a smear, but you go ahead. Gonna take on the SPLC, too?

[Cary]

83. I deny that undermining Democrats is salutary.

I claim that undermining Democrats is dangerous and foolish.

[Motown_Johnny]

7. to soon to tell for sure, we will lose some seats but should hold majorities

losing the majority in The House would be a bad thing and I would consider that "being creamed"

[Cary]

13. Agreed.

I would consider that "being creamed" and yes, that is what I was referring to.

[BlueIris]

51. That's what I say.

Should everyone plan to volunteer? Sure. Is it doomsday? No.

[Juche]

9. Not as bad as we would've 2 months ago

Things can change, and I think passing HCR showed the dems can get stuff done. If they pass financial reform with teeth and the GOP bitch/cry the whole time, the dems will do even better in 2010.

If the tea party splits the GOP vote we'll do even better.

So my answer is that we'll lose seats, but we can minimize the loss by splitting the GOP ticket between teabaggers vs the GOP, passing financial reform and portraying the GOP as anti-reform, getting serious on creating jobs, etc.

[KharmaTrain]

11. Rushpublicans Are Reading Their Own Press Clipping...

Most of the doom and gloom on Democrats have come from the rushpublican spin machine and the corporate media...part of a mass disinformation camapaign. Now do I think the Democrats will hold all seats in November? Nope...but then the Democrats were in rarified air thanks to the wins in '06 and '08 with most of their wins in purple and red areas. There are precious few places to go from here and many of the wins in formerly red areas was more due to the ineptness and corruption of the GOOP than of anything the Democratic party stands for...and in specific any liberal or progressive agenda.

Methinks the GOOP has peaked too soon...spread the shit so deep that they started to think it smelled prettier than it was. Their numbers, which were overblown, peaked...and the corporate media honed in a couple of campaigns where the Democrats candidates did a poor job (Coakley, Deeds) and try to pretend this was some groundswell. While people may be upset or restless with Democrats, they're not looking at the GOOP for answers. If there's a peril this fall, it's apathy.

[Cary]

21. I think the incumbent party always has apathy.

I hate seeing the pukes re-energized and renewed. This will only enable them and forestall their desperately needed bottoming out experience and resulting humility.

[Mind_your_head]

12. No. I don't think so either ... as another poster has already said.....

The pot has boiled over....the teapot has been tipped. The 'baggers' have long outlived their shelf-life.

[notesdev]

Yes, it's going to be a brutal wipeout

The change people wanted was a stop to the looting and pillaging by the moneyed and powerful oligarchs.

Instead, the Democrats in office put the pedal to the medal. Geithner, Summers, Bernanke, mind-bogglingly large deficits, political patronage gone to extremes, huge bailouts, and on and on, are now what defines the group presently in power to the electorate.

People are pissed, and for the same reason they turned out the GOP in 2006 and 2008. They want a government that works in their best interests, not in the best interests of the biggest lobbyists and campaign donors.

[Cary]

17. Wow.

Sounds like you're looking forward to it.

[Jakes Progress]

29. Ah, that's what you were looking for.

Someone to answer the question you asked with their opinion so that you could make a stupid, lame, childish, snarky attack.

With Democrats attacking the very voters the Democrats need, we will be creamed. The fault will lie mostly with poor administrative decisions, but a good portion of the blame will go to holier-than-thou zealots who flame away at the very people that Obama will need.

[Cary]

31. Nope.

I am severely hurt and disappointed when I see any DUer express any sympathy for righties or when any DUer gives aid or comfort to the enemy.

I wish you a speedy recovery.

[Jakes Progress]

54. Bullshit.

You got called. Where do you see posters here offering sympathy to the right? How does complaining that the administration isn't progressive enough cause you to think that the complainers are right wing sympathizers. I suspect that your are not that think, that you just wanted to do a little calling out and chest thumping. Shrewishly berating the Democrats that the party needs to be supportive in the election is a prefect example of aiding the enemy.

[Cary]

62. ROTFLMAO

Spin it however you think you need to spin it. I'm not dumb enough to think I can knock sense into people who don't want to see things clearly.

Yeah yeah yeah, and the 97,000 plus or minus votes that Nader got in Florida didn't siphon off votes that would have prevented George W. Bush from stealing the 2000 election.

<rolling eyeballs>

[Jakes Progress]

67. Assless or not. You are wrong.

You know you have been caught out so you fall back on the very common refuge of the pointless.

[Cary]

69. ROTFLMAO

You say it, so it must be true.

[Jakes Progress]

76. Finally. You get it.

[Cary]

81. ROTFLMAO

What do you mean "finally?" I had you pegged from the beginning.

It's not like your ego thing is all that deep or mysterious.

[Jakes Progress]

91. Laughing at yourself is a great practice.

You seem to have a lot of opportunity to do that.

[notesdev]

53. I am looking forward

to seeing people come back to reality.

Democrats were not elected to pursue a Democratic Party agenda. They were elected to fix the mess the Republicans made. Now in office, they are making the problems they were hired to fix (economic piracy, endless war, government corruption) worse than they were when they got started.

[Cary]

65. I'm trying to be impressed . . .

. . . but all I keep thinking here is that talk is cheap.

[Jakes Progress]

66. You have the most posts.

Cheap enough.

[pinto]

79. Agree, reality is we have to fix the mess the Republicans made over the course an 8 year presidency.

1 year in, we are making gains. I'd ask how we're making things worse than before.

[jpak]

99. Nader 2012!

:rofl:

[TexasObserver]

14. Not if the economy continues to improve.

I expect we will lose some seats, but I'm optimistic it won't be a huge loss.

[Truth2Tell]

103. continues to improve?

Where are the jobs? This is the delusion that will get us creamed if that is our destiny.

[abelenkpe]

20. No

We do need to work to make sure people turn out to vote. That would be the only reason for the right to make any gains.

[BeFree]

26. Well

If you ask just about anyone who has studied the way our votes are counted they will honestly tell you that probably a lot of the republicans in office now, actually didn't win their last *election*.

So, the question really is: Is your vote gonna be counted as cast?

I think that if we somehow have a fair and accurate count, Dems will gains many seats.

[customerserviceguy]

27. I think that we are going to get creamed

The only way that won't happen is if Joe Average Guy sees that the economy is getting better. And that's not gonna happen if the unemployment rate doesn't drop somewhat in the next six months. I'd say it would take an 'official' rate of about 8 percent to have that happen.

This summer is everything. If we still see a high number of first time unemployment claimants, it's hello teabaggers in Congress.

[Awsi Dooger]

50. That's a reasonable summation

We can't depend on a last minute change of fortune. No one is going to care if the economic signs are improved in October. Every historical-based election forecast looks at economic numbers many months ahead of election day as a guideline.

My concern is sharply spiked summer gas prices impacting Obama's approval rating, which has direct ties to the midterm. When gas prices did not fall during winter it guaranteed a huge jump during the peak months. I'd estimate $3.50 or higher, and that's something the party in power can't afford.

Nate Silver is correct to warn that it may be much worse than current consensus.

[Dappleganger]

32. If FL is a microcosm of the US...

the answer is no, we're not going to get creamed. There may be a few expected, calculated losses but I have a sneaking suspicion there's going to some gains for dems which will offset those losses.

There's a very large moderate Republican/Independent base which has just had a huge wake-up call to the reality of the status of the FL Republican party, and they are mad as hell and vowing to turn out to the polls in a backlash. The Republican legislature should be shaking in their flip-flops.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. I Respectfully Disagree

That insufferable clown with the Howdy Doody face is going to be our next governor and Marco Flippin Rubio is going to be our next senator. That's a unmitigated disaster.

[PinkFloyd]

34. I think we're 6 mos out and too early to tell...

It's going to depend on what the economy looks like in Nov. If voters thing there's a positive trend and the Dems can do something to energize their base then the loses might not be so bad. Plus, there's always the chance the GOP will do something amazingly stupid between now and then to deaden their momentum.

I've even heard Nate Silver claim he expects the loses to be between 15-50+ seats in the house. That's a huge spread and that guy is usually pretty accurate.

[Dappleganger]

38. It really depends upon who is motivated enough to get to the polls.

Either motivation from fear or motivation out of anger, but both voters will be showing up.

[Atticus]

37. Only if we keep ringing our hands and asking "Are we really going to get creamed in November?"

There really IS such a thing as a "self-fulfilling prophesy" and some of them are used against us at (the site that shall not be named).

[Rex]

40. No, we will grab even more seats from Repukes.

[DainBramaged]

41. No, the MSM wants you to believe so that they have something to bullshit the stupid about...

[backscatter712]

42. Too early to tell.

Though if the Senate Dems and President Obama sign Wall Street reform into law, it'll help us quite a bit. For that matter, getting the health care bill, even watered down as it was, signed into law, helped significantly. If health care reform had completely failed, we'd be looking at 1994 all over again.

My current bet is that we lose 25 in the House, 6 in the Senate. Painful, but we retain control of Congress. But anything could happen. If the GOP continues to shoot itself in the foot, we could end up losing very few seats. If the Democrats find some new way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, we could still lose Congress. The ball's still up in the air right now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. That's Probably A Mid To Best Case Scenario

This isn't rocket science. The economy still isn't well and a plurality or majority of voters will blame the incumbent party regardless of if its their fault or not. It just is.

[Warren DeMontague]

45. No.

I don't think so.

[stevietheman]

46. No. Because the GOP climaxed too early.

In 1994, they climaxed in the fall.

[backscatter712]

49. That's why I'm thinking it's not going to be as bad as the doomsayers claim.

Don't get me wrong - we're gonna lose some seats. But I doubt we're going to lose control of Congress.

[Grand Taurean]

74. Unlike 1994, the Democrats are prepared this time around.

[Rectangle]

104. The "Normal" people in this country have had a bellyful of the Teabaggers.

They're kind-of a joke now! I think they played their big hand way too early last year and
their (Republicans/Teabaggers) pickups will be modest (15-20 house,3-4 Senate).

[NoSheep]

47. No. Why? I pay attention. Things are looking better every day.

Wingnut-super-nuts are being shunned. Democrats being elected in Florida. Crist vetoes stupidity. Obama winning and you know how people love a winner. economy improving..March retail WAY up. chug chug chug. OH, idiot birther court-marshalled. Palin getting more and more valuable (as a liability for them) by the second... TALK about the next "bubble"!

[Subdivisions]

48. Nope. n/t

[WeekendWarrior]

52. NO

Small losses. Maintain control.

[zbdent]

55. as long as the "liberal media" cheerleads all the attacks on Dems/Obama ...

then it would become a landslide of epic proportions ...

Remember, in 1994, the Republicans gained a slim majority in the House ... and the "liberal media" of the time (which actually was a bit more "liberal" than now, but not too much) trumpeted that as a major event ... but in November 2006, when the Democrats made a major shift (and the 2008 election grew their majority), it was not such a big f*cking deal ...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. The Republicans Picked Up 54 Seats In 94.

I think that was the largest or one of the largest pick ups in modern hiostory;even larger than the number of seats the Republicants picked up in the wake of Watergate.

[Rage Inc.]

56. No

We shall suffer losses, but retain both houses of Congress.
I'm projecting a loss of 22 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate.

[JerseygirlCT]

57. I don't think so

But I don't so much mind the talk if it means enough Dems get off the couch and vote.

These people are like the religious right- big mouths, get lots of attention, but reflect a minority of the population.

[jpljr77]

61. If unemployment is < 9%, then no creaming will occur, imo. n/t

[and-justice-for-all]

68. No, I highly doubt it...

pukes on the other hand....

[LWolf]

70. I think Democrats will take some big hits

for allowing the left to be thrown under the bus.

I know that my votes will be reserved for Democrats who still support and defend labor, education, peace, etc..

Blue dogs, Dlcers, "centrists," "3rd way" and "new" dems will be out of luck.

One of the reasons they are out of luck is because they have actually supported leaving too many bush policies in place.

I'll vote for people whose words and actions on public education, health care, the economy, and war earn my vote. Hopefully, my fellow Democrats will make sure they are on the ballot for me to vote for.

[Cary]

84. WE THE PEOPLE will take some big hits

. . . if "conservatives" are reinforced, reaffirmed, and emboldened.

[LWolf]

94. This member of "we the people"

is taking big hits under the Obama administration, which is more conservative than a Democratic administration should be.

It's not as simple, or as black and white, as "we" vs. republicans.

Democrats are increasingly conservative and corporatist. When both major parties are reinforcing, reaffirming, and emboldening conservatives, then we are truly screwed.

[lonestarnot]

71. Hell no.

[Hippo_Tron]

72. Depends entirely on what the economy looks like

If the election were held tomorrow I would speculate that we probably lose a good number of seats but keep a majority. If the economy gets significantly worse then we're in trouble.

[Cary]

85. I think it depends more on how well we make our case.

I think too many of us are shooting ourselves in the foot with reckless rhetoric and stupidity.

[AllentownJake]

88. Nope

Really none of us are shooting ourselves in the foot.

I think if you want a wake-up call go to http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

6 months out, that data doesn't look good and Nate doesn't really call many things to favor the GOP unless he has to.

He also gets access to DNC internals.

They have 6 months to make their case, and they shouldn't try running on the economy.

Best bet, prosecute the criminals who caused this, which should have been done in 2009 anyway.

[depakid]

77. If the administration and Congress doesn't stop insulting and backstabbing key constituencies

and continues to defensively back incumbents against primary challengers (during a period with strong anti-incumbent sentiment), then the losses will (and should be) epic.

The lesson ought to have been learned long ago that pandering to the corporate right and being seen as standing for nothing more than business as usual is a losing strategy.

Unfortunately, this is what I fully expect the administration and congress to continue doing.

The only saving grace is that Reid won't be there in 2011 to continue the dysfunctional tradition.

[pinto]

78. Vote. It matters.

:hi:

[Cary]

82. I will, of course, and it will be straight Democratic

As everyone's vote should be.

[deacon]

80. What have republicans done? They deserted the country in a time of crisis.

6 more months of "no" and the voters will say "NO" to them. No to health care, no to reducing nuclear arms, no to stimulus package, no to regulating wall street...on and on and on.

[WillieW]

86. with the 30 million added to receive health care and progress made elsewhere, I don't think so.

[AllentownJake]

87. Nate Silver has 7 likely GOP pick-ups in the Senate

As of right now, when Nate Silver says there are 7 DNC seats possible to go GOP and the projected pick-up states from 2008 of Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina looking less likely, I'd say 6 months out we are going to get our ass kicked.

Nate is hardly a GOP source. If anything he tends to side on the optimism for democratic candidates...he totally blew the MASS race.

They have 6 months...they aren't going to do anything about the economy in that time. Trend lines I'm seeing project 2% to negative GDP growth for the rest of the year and little job creation.

Their only way to restore popularity would be some perp walks on Wall Street, which given the Lehman and Wamu and now Goldman Sachs report I have read, are open and shut cases.

They indict, I'm back on the reservation, no indictments, I'm pretty much sitting out other than casting a ballot and I will be looking at third parties in a few races to make a statement.

Firmly on board my democratic Governor's race and State Rep...not so much on the congressional.

The Senate Race is no choice in PA....Pat Toomey is a very scary man.

[Grand Taurean]

96. What are Onorato's chances against Corbett?

[northernlights]

89. it all depends

looking at my one-person poll of moi, this is my direct experience:

On going after the criminal previous administration, rendition, torture, patriot act, unitary exec, wars, etc. -- this administration gets, sadly, an F. May as well have been McCane/Failin.

On foreclosures, nice try but it just ain't cutting it. The media can whoop it up all they want. My house has been on market 1 year with huge price cut/discount -- not one person to look at it to date.

The civil action against Goldman is nice theatre. I'll believe in it if it's only step one. If, as in Toyota, it leads to criminal action on multiple fronts, against not only Goldman but the other criminals... and targets seriously senior officials, not the 30 year old whiz-kid fall guy types, it gets an A. Otherwise, it remains a dog and pony show and I'm waaaaay past that.

On health care, the jury is still out but it's not looking too good. I read the other day that the big health insurance companies are already protecting themselves from the 80% revenues directed to healthcare provision...via sneaky accounting that magically turns administrative activities into health delivery expenses. In the meantime, hospitals are protecting themselves against HIC with hiring freezes and large layoffs. Don't know exactly *who* is going to be delivering the "universal health care." Paper pushers? :wow:

On the other hand, IF I learn that ground is broken and building underway for a significant portion of the 13,500 community health centers that Bernie Sanders held out for (thank you Bernie! :patriot:), I'll give the health insurance bailout part of HIR a bye because IF those 13,500 health centers are built, and relatively soon, that will be a *major* step towards single payer plus serious job stimulus. Otherwise, HIC is another F for the administration.

Education reform is NOT helping me at ALL. In fact, it's put me on the brink of unmitigated personal disaster. Let me put it this way. I very much appreciate the $1,000 tuition reimbursement via tax refund that the administration stuffed into my left hand. However, it does nothing to fix the $20K+/2 years of grueling work investment I'm on the brink of losing from my right hand now that I have no way to finish the Med Lab Tech program I'm halfway through. Along with a significant portion of my class, our stafford loans have been cut off and we don't qualify for any grants (in my case, despite 4.0 average and repeated invites into honors society). We have no way to finish the program and can't afford to pay the loans off if we don't finish the program...classic rock meet hard place. I need $20K minimum to finish the program, between tuition and 5 months fulltime, unpaid clinical training. You do the math. $1K this year and $1K next year won't bridge that gap.

(In the meantime, the union members of the mill closing that are having all tuition, fees, books, and living stipend paid in full held a strike when A/V equipment wasn't working. Seriously. They. Went. On. Strike. They also stated that they expect if a medical instrument fails, lab tests will just have to be postponed. As in, heart attack victim can take 2 aspirin and, if still alive, call us in the morning to see how our instrument feels :crazy:. In other words, folks, this is the level of health care you can expect from the "winners" in student loan reform. :rofl:)

So far, the halfway measures always stop just short of moi. Frankly, and this is sad, but I may have done better with McCane/Failin only because I would have dropped out of school immediately...before I racked up $20K in debt, would have dumped my house immediately...right before the huge meltdown, and would have headed further into the hills to bunker down for armageddon. Instead, I'm dying the slow, torturous death of a thousand cuts.

Bottom line for my poll is that unless there is major and I mean MAJOR breakthrough for moi, my vote will go to a 3rd party, green-type candidate.

[Honeycombe8]

90. Yes. Even if times were better, history shows that the incumbent party will lose big-time in Nov.

since it holds the W.H. and both houses of Congress.

Add to it that we're in a recession and there's a general feeling of disgust with incumbents (most of whom are Democrats)...and add to it the fact that several Dems were caught in corruption scandals this past year (Rangel comes to mind)...and the writing is on the wall.

Doesn't mean that the votes will be passionately FOR Republicans. The votes will be AGAINST Democrats, and the Republicans will gain from that.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

92. Right now it's looking better for us IMHO

than it was, say, before HCR passed (and relatively early in the year- giving some of the anger and teeth-gnashing over it some time to die down). We're going to lose some seats no doubt about it but I don't believe that it will be a 1994-esque bloodbath and even if we take a more severe pounding (although still not a GOP "blowout" and/or takeover like in 1994) in 2010 it will likely only be temporary setback because it will likely be more of a result of low Democratic voter turnout rather than a renewal of love/appreciation for the Republican Party and the "teabaggers" and once people (again) see the kind of nutbars the Republican Party produces and what they want to do, the Dems will be able to take political advantage of their extremism and people will (hopefully) vote most of the worst of the lot out in 2012, which will be a higher turnout election and, at the moment, I don't see a Republican being elected POTUS in 2012 without MASSIVE discontent with President Obama (which I don't see happening at the moment). :shrug:

So, to sum it up, moderate losses but no "bloodbath" like in 1994 and no Republican control of either Houses (there's just too many seats they would have to win/defend for it to happen and some previously "safe" Republicans are facing primary challenges from "teabaggers", weaker candidates will be running against potentially vulnerable Dems, RNC is facing scandal and shortful of funds). In short, the "force" is not as strong with the GOP this year as it was in 1994. This COULD change, of course, but I'm not exactly sure how. President Obama and his team, whatever you might think of them, are smart and are fully aware of what happened in 1994 and not likely to repeat our mistakes then.

[Grand Taurean]

97. I am inclined to say:

55 Senate seats
235 House seats
24 Governorships
50% of state houses

[Proud Liberal Dem]

105. That's pretty bleak

What are you basing that on? Are you talking about Republican seats? :shrug:

[ThomThom]

93. whether the MSM wants to see it or not

The republicans are in free fall, more people are figuring out their tired BS every day. Do you hear that sucking sound?
Pretty soon they will just be standing there with there corporate friends saying "we are the people".
I hope so anyway.

[lonestarnot]

95. a ha ha ha ha ha ha. The imagery!

:rofl: I see them in their Alfani suits and runny noses and bloodshot eyes now. :toast:

[jpak]

98. No - not even close.

Democrats will *cream* the lying fucking teabagger traitors.

yup!

:D

[sendero]

100. When the economy is doing poorly..

... the party is power is going to pay. It does not matter that economic morass is mostly a Republican (deregulate, deregulate, deregulate) creation, people want to punish with their vote, and people think that 2 years should be long enough to "fix" things.

If this nascent supposed recovery can keep working until Nov, Dems have a chance - if not look out below.

[Bluenorthwest]

102. You might get creamed, but my Democrats will win

with your attitude, it will be difficult for those who depend on you to win. You are rude, divisive, and negative to the point of giving up 7 months out. Your understanding of what you see and hear seems really limited, and your perception of the Party as well.
I read your screeds against Thom Hartmann, and all I can think of is Obama's use of anti gay hate preachers on his campaign, and how he declared that these right wing bigots had to be listened to and dealt with respectfully, even as they talk trash and slander minorities. I assume you were wildly and loudly opposed to all of that business, such as when he called bigots 'good, decent and moral people' who have simply not come to understand as yet. His pals called us child killers, and he said that was acceptable, he gave them paychecks.
Why is it that you disagree with Obama on that? Or are homophobes a special, good kind of right wing hater?