Repubs Are FUCKED, Totally FUCKED Regarding Financial Reform

[Beetwasher]

Which is why the Dems can really take a hard line stance on it.

No matter what they do, they're fucked. If they support it, then they are supporting a piece of legislation that will be a BIG feather in the Dems cap come Nov. And they will be fucked.

If the oppose it, then they will be opposing a VERY popular piece of legislation and they will rightfully be painted as being in the corner of Wall St. against the little guy. And they will be fucked.

I love it. Thems the breaks. And the timing couldn't be better. Imagine debating this going into the elections?

:rofl:

Make Our Day! Democrats Giddy Over GOP Opposition To Financial Reform

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/pretty-please-democrats-giddy-at-notion-of-gop-opposition-to-financial-reform.php

[Aramchek]

1. and the polls will change with the tides

The Repugs have prematurely exasperated once again.

[Fumesucker]

2. By and large the Dems are owned by the same people who own the Repubs..

I wouldn't hold my breath expecting any radical financial reform, it'll turn out very similar to health insurance reform.

Maybe we'll even get a private mandate to purchase individual retirement accounts on Wall Street. :shrug:

[Beetwasher]

3. You Haven't Been Paying Attention

Dems are taking a hard line, this bill will be significant reform and they won't back down and water it down.

[Fumesucker]

8. Wait and see how it turns out in the end..

I correctly predicted that the outcome of health insurance reform would be a private mandate and no public option at least six months before it happened.

"No matter how cynical you get it is impossible to keep up." -Lily Tomlin

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[lonestarnot]

9. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if that is not what we end up with and I'm not holding my breath.

[Jackpine Radical]

41. You are a depressingly cynical wet blanket.

This is not to say that your prediction is in any way incorrect. Just that you are a depressingly cynical wet blanket.

[Greyhound]

4. Which is exactly why they won't.

I'd dearly love to be wrong, but the pattern is there. The "everything is off the table" Republicrats will ensure that all that is "open for consideration" will be a binary choice between giving Wall Street everything and giving Wall Street everything with a cherry on top.

[Beetwasher]

7. That Makes No Sense

You have nothing to base that on. Everything is pointing to Dems not backing down on this.

There will be people here who will call whatever is passed a load of crap no matter what's done. Who cares what they think?

[Greyhound]

14. Nothing to base it on? Are you serious?

Let's just start with the 2006, you know, the first time the American people demanded that this headlong rush to disaster be changed.

Stop the War! Democrats didn't even threaten to hold up funding for the war, in fact Pelosi & Co. gave shrub more than he asked for to keep is slaughter for oil going.

"Impeachment is off the table". Gong so far as to use the power of the majority to bottle up resolutions to investigate the blatant criminality.

MCA, Patriot, Bankruptcy, CC reform, the list is long and I doubt you'd read it is I bothered to put it together. But to claim there is nothing to base my statement on is disingenuous at best.

[Beetwasher]

17. Yes, Nothing To Base It On, Are YOU Serious?

Yeah, we know your whine. Obama's a corporate whore. Blah blah. :eyes:

This post is about the shitty position Repubs are in, you chose to bash Dems. Pathetic.

[Greyhound]

18. So you have no argument and base your assertion on "because I say so".

As I said, their actions speak far louder than your words.

I hope every day that they will prove me wrong. I'm still waiting, and you have done nothing to further the cause.

[Beetwasher]

21. I'm Not Going To Argue With Someone Who's Only Goal Is To Piss All Over The Rug

Go ahead with your piss parade. Have fun.

You don't hope anyone will prove you wrong, then how will you get your piss jollies?

[Greyhound]

23. Hmm, let's tally who has made specific points (a seriously abridged list)

and who is on a fact-free "Obama will save us all" rampage...
:eyes:

[Beetwasher]

24. My Op Says Nothing About Obama, Though You Take The Opportunity To Piss On Him

My OP was about the Republicans shitty political position. You come in and start pissing on Dems and Obama. That's your particular fetish, not mine.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

44. Point of fact

Pelosi, Reid DID try to tie war funding to a timetable. Remember? Bush vetoed the bill b/c it wasn't "clean"?

[Sparkly]

5. Republicans just oppose it and lie about what it is.

Republicans: "Democrats want to blow the deficit sky-high on wasteful programs and raise taxes, and shut out our proposal for fiscal restraint and tax cuts, and they're ramming it down our throats!!"

Media hacks: "This is the worst government takeover this country has ever seen -- they're turning our democracy into a Communist Marxist Socialist Stalinist Hitlerist Evil thing! What about the constitution and our founding fathers?"

Teabaggers: "We're taking our country back from the evil-doers and their radical agenda to kill our grandmothers and starve our children and rob us blind -- WE don't think that's fair!"

Doesn't matter what the original legislation was. We're watching that play out all over the place today.

[wisteria]

6. So where are they today? They are not out defending their points.

All I have seen and heard are Republicans and Republican talking points.

[Beetwasher]

11. Heh, So, Dodd Calls McConnel A Liar

And they're doing nothing?

It's being reported as well.

[4lbs]

12. Here's what the GOPpies will say:

"We are in agreement in 85% of this bill, but it's still too much too quickly. Let's scrap it and go back to the drawing board. We can then craft a bi-partisan bill that will work for everyone. One that will end shady Wall Street practices but not burden them with all these regulations."


They said the same thing on health care.

[Truth2Tell]

13. The Repigs are only fucked

IF the Dems actually take a hard line stance. Big IF. If we wuss out and pass phony reform again - which is pretty likely - then we will reap very little political benefit.

[Beetwasher]

19. It Looks Like They Are Going To

They are staking a hard line. Could that change? I suppose, but I don't think so.

[Truth2Tell]

31. I guess we have different definitions

of "staking a hard line." "Too big to fail" will still be alive and kicking under any Dem proposal under considerstion.

[Beetwasher]

32. Bullshit

You've seen the final bill?

Breaking: McConnell Unable to Hold Caucus on Financial Reform

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4/15/857645/-Breaking:-McConnell-Unable-to-Hold-Caucus-on-Financial-Reform

[Truth2Tell]

33. Do you really believe

that the Democratic leadership of the Senate together with some Republicans are planning to stick it to Wall Street? For real?

[Beetwasher]

34. Do You Believe The Repubs Are In A Shitty Political Position?

Because despite your pathetic attempts to change the subject, that's the subject.

If you want to start a thread pissing on the Dems, go ahead. I'm not taking your idiotic bait.

Breaking: McConnell Unable to Hold Caucus on Financial Reform

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4/15/857645/-Breaking:-McConnell-Unable-to-Hold-Caucus-on-Financial-Reform

[Truth2Tell]

35. Yes I do. Actually I believe we Dems are in the proverbial

cat bird seat. :) By sheer virtue of the fact that the opposition is so worthless mainly. But we still need to deliver or we will lose even that advantage. The Repubs are indeed in a shitty political position. But if we don't deliver some hard blows they will turn the tables on us. My prediction is that we will not really reign in Wall Street effectively and the tables will be turned on us. Just my prediction.

[Beetwasher]

39. Fair Answer, I Think All Signs Are Pointing To You Being Completely Off The Mark

The bill is actually being strengthened, not weakened. At least according to all reports. And the Dems are digging in, and taking a hard line stance.

[Truth2Tell]

42. not to be confused with a wide stance.

Or a wide hard line stance, god forbid.

[Beetwasher]

47. How Fucked Would You Say The Repubs Are NOW?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/17/business/17goldman.html?hp

[Truth2Tell]

51. Yawn. Wake me when we get real. nt

[deaniac21]

15. Life is so much better when you are easily convinced.

[Beetwasher]

16. You Should Know

I assume you're convinced Obama's a tool.

[deaniac21]

36. Corporate tool

[Beetwasher]

40. How Droll

You would know tools, that's for sure.

[walldude]

20. Oh really....

The third option is they can LIE about it, the media will reprint the lies on a daily basis and American will vote against it's own best interests.

But that's crazy right? :rofl:

[Beetwasher]

22. They Will Lie, But It Will Be Harder This Time

For them to get away with it, regardless of the media bias.

[walldude]

26. And your basis for that is?

Because it's been so tough so far :eyes:

[Beetwasher]

27. Because Dems Are Fighting Back Hard Out Of The Gate

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4/15/857488/-Mitch-McConnell-is-a-LIAR.-And-the-media-says-it,-too.

AND Repubs lied and lied and lied about HCR and still lost, even with the media helping them.

My basis is called reality. People aren't buying their shit.

[walldude]

28. Well that proves it then.

Nobody is buying their shit. That's why the Partiot act was renewed, why Gays can't marry, why DADT hasn't been repealed, why teachers are under attack, why we are going to start offshore drilling, why we are increasing troop levels in Afghanistan, why we are increasing funding for nuclear power and why the Government is now allowed to execute citizens by means of CIA Death Squads without an arrest or a trial or the ability to face his accusers. Yeah we are heading straight for the left in this country :eyes:

[Beetwasher]

29. Blah Blah Blah-Enjoy Your Piss Parade!

How pathetic. This thread is about how the Repubs are in a shitty position, you choose to piss on Dems. Pathetic fetish you got there.

[cbdo2007]

25. The same thing is going to happen with the Health Care Bill once Romney starts campaigning

around it.

We know he'll be their pick so there's no way they WON'T be able to support it. They'll have to contradict themselves and support it to support him. It's going to be great and we're going to see some easy wins in 2010 and 2012.

[Beetwasher]

30. Kick With Evidence Of REPUBS ALREADY CAVING

Breaking: McConnell Unable to Hold Caucus on Financial Reform

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4/15/857488/-Mitch-McConnell-is-a-LIAR.-And-the-media-says-it,-too.

[AnArmyVeteran]

37. Ken Lay drafted the US Energy Policy, so shouldn't Bernie Madoff create financial reform?

Don't you remember when Dick Cheney had his six secret meetings with Ken Lay in the VP mansion to draft energy policy for the US? Using conservative logic we should let the hedge fund managers (or death row convicts) draft financial regulation.

I agree with you though. Conservatives keep painting themselves into a corner that is getting smaller and smaller. They are so painted in they can barely move. They love corporate corruption so they are going to be against all regulations of the financial world. So even the most dimwitted conservative will be able to see that their conservative 'leaders' are really nothing more than corrupt con men who are prostitutes to their pimps on Wall Street.

If the democrats don't pummel conservatives with this message they are either stupid, or just as corrupt as the conservatives.

[AnArmyVeteran]

38. Ken Lay drafted the US Energy Policy, so shouldn't Bernie Madoff create financial reform?

Don't you remember when Dick Cheney had his six secret meetings with Ken Lay in the VP mansion to draft energy policy for the US? Using conservative logic we should let the hedge fund managers (or death row convicts) draft financial regulation.

I agree with you though. Conservatives keep painting themselves into a corner that is getting smaller and smaller. They are so painted in they can barely move. They love corporate corruption so they are going to be against all regulations of the financial world. So even the most dimwitted conservative will be able to see that their conservative 'leaders' are really nothing more than corrupt con men who are prostitutes to their pimps on Wall Street.

If the democrats don't pummel conservatives with this message they are either stupid, or just as corrupt as the conservatives.

[girl gone mad]

43. Maybe the reason no one is buying the "hard line" rhetoric..

is because the Dems already showed their weak hand with Emanuel and Frank and Dodd all having gone out of their way to severely water down reform early in the process, and Dems holding secret meetings with Goldman Sachs, etc.

You guys must think we have the memory of goldfish.

Does the name Melissa Bean ring any bells?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/10/new-dems-extract-big-win_n_386787.html

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/politics/144521/did_obama%27s_inner_circle_%28and_rep._melissa_bean%29_kill_financial_reform/

[Beetwasher]

46. You Mean THIS Weak Hand?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/17/business/17goldman.html?hp

:rofl:

[girl gone mad]

49. Precisely!!

Of all the fraud that took place over the last decade, the SEC chooses such a weak, virtually unwinnable charge to go after Goldman on?

http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-hold-on-the-secs-first-major-fraud-allegation-against-goldman-seems-very-weak-2010-4

It's all for show at this point. The fix is in.

And I notice you didn't even address my point about financial reforms having already been severely weakened.

[Beetwasher]

50. LOL! How Pathetic

IOW no matter what happens you've already decided it All sucks anyway. Pathetic.

[Change Happens]

45. Yes, they are, and we will make sure this gets signed into law on or around September 10th!!!

[Beetwasher]

48. A Kick Because Repubs Are Now EVEN MORE FUCKED!!!

U.S. Accuses Goldman Sachs of Fraud

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/17/business/17goldman.html?hp

Bring it on, chumps!

[Rex]

52. I agree, thank you for pointing that out!

:toast:

[Enrique]

53. it depends on what the dems do

so far they're looking pretty strong. :thumbsup: