Are you attending any of the Timothy McVeigh Memorial events on April 19th?

[onehandle]

Rachel has been talking about these. They sound like a blast.

You have quite a few to select from. The biggest one is http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com">here, but there will be many armed marches and gatherings nationwide to celebrate the life and accomplishments of Timothy McVeigh.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/36126909#36126909

[slackmaster]

1. Unrec for unfounded association of the date with Timothy McVeigh

I'm sure you could find some auspicious or inauspicious association with any date on the calendar.

Events

* 1012 – Martyrdom of Alphege in Greenwich, London.
* 1529 – At the Second Diet of Speyer, a group of rulers (German: Fόrst) and independent cities (German: Reichsstadt) protests the reinstatement of the Edict of Worms, beginning the Protestant Reformation.
* 1587 – Francis Drake sinks the Spanish fleet in Cαdiz harbor.
* 1713 – With no living male heirs, Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor, issues the Pragmatic Sanction of 1713 to ensure that Habsburg lands and the Austrian throne would be inherited by his daughter, Maria Theresa of Austria (not actually born until 1717).
* 1770 – Captain James Cook sights Australia.
* 1770 – Marie Antoinette marries Louis XVI by Proxy marriage.
* 1775 – American Revolutionary War: The war begins at the Battle of Lexington and Concord.
* 1782 – John Adams secures the Dutch Republic's recognition of the United States as an independent government. The house which he had purchased in The Hague, Netherlands becomes the first American embassy.
* 1809 – An Austrian corps is defeated by the forces of the Duchy of Warsaw in the Battle of Raszyn, part of the struggles of the Fifth Coalition. On the same day the Austrian main army is defeated by a First French Empire Corps led by Louis-Nicolas Davout at the Battle of Teugen-Hausen in Bavaria; part of a four day campaign which ended in a French victory.
* 1810 – Venezuela achieves home rule: Vicente Emparan, Governor of the Captaincy General is removed by the people of Caracas and a Junta is installed.
* 1839 – The Treaty of London establishes Belgium as a kingdom.
* 1847 – New portico at British Museum opened
* 1855 – Visit of Napoleon III to Guildhall, London
* 1861 – American Civil War: Baltimore riot of 1861, a pro-Secession mob in Baltimore, Maryland, attacks United States Army troops marching through the city.
* 1892 – Charles Duryea claims to have driven the first automobile in the United States, in Springfield, Massachusetts.
* 1919 – Leslie Irvin of the United States makes the first successful voluntary free-fall parachute jump using a new kind of self-contained parachute.
* 1927 – Mae West is sentenced to 10 days in jail for obscenity for her play Sex.
* 1928 – The 125th and final fascicle of the Oxford English Dictionary is published.
* 1936 – First day of the Great Uprising in Palestine.
* 1942 – World War II: In Poland, the Majdan-Tatarski ghetto is established, situated between the Lublin Ghetto and a Majdanek subcamp.
* 1943 – World War II: In Poland, German troops enter the Warsaw ghetto to round up the remaining Jews, beginning the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
* 1943 – Bicycle Day – Swiss chemist Dr. Albert Hofmann deliberately takes LSD for the first time.
* 1945 – The diplomatic relations between the Soviet Union and Guatemala are established.
* 1948 – Burma (now Myanmar) joins the United Nations.
* 1950 – Argentina becomes a signatory to the Buenos Aires copyright treaty.
* 1951 – General Douglas MacArthur retires from the military.
* 1954 – Constituent Assembly of Pakistan decides Urdu and Bengali to be national languages of Pakistan.
* 1955 – The German automaker Volkswagen, after six years of selling cars in the United States, founds Volkswagen of America in Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey to standardize its dealer and service network.
* 1956 – Actress Grace Kelly marries Rainier III of Monaco.
* 1960 – Students in South Korea hold a nationwide pro-democracy protest against their president Syngman Rhee, eventually forcing him to resign.
* 1961 – The Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba ends in success for the defenders.
* 1971 – Sierra Leone becomes a republic, and Siaka Stevens the president.
* 1971 – Vietnam War: Vietnam Veterans Against the War begin a five-day demonstration in Washington, DC.
* 1971 – Launch of Salyut 1, the first space station.
* 1971 – Charles Manson is sentenced to death for the Sharon Tate murders.
* 1975 – India's first satellite Aryabhata is launched.
* 1984 – Advance Australia Fair is proclaimed as Australia's national anthem, and green and gold as the national colours.
* 1985 – U.S.S.R performs nuclear test at Eastern Kazakhstan/Semipalatinsk U.S.S.R.

Heavy smoke pours from USS Iowa’s #2 Turret following an internal explosion

* 1987 – The Simpsons premieres as a short cartoon on The Tracey Ullman Show
* 1989 – A gun turret explodes on the USS Iowa, killing 47 sailors.
* 1993 – The 51-day siege of the Branch Davidian building outside Waco, Texas, USA, ends when a fire breaks out. Eighty-one people die.
* 1993 – South Dakota governor George Mickelson and seven others are killed when a state-owned aircraft crashed in Iowa.
* 1995 – Oklahoma City bombing: The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA, is bombed, killing 168. That same day convicted murderer Richard Wayne Snell, who had ties to bombing suspect Timothy McVeigh, is executed in Arkansas.
* 1997 – The Red River Flood of 1997 overwhelms the city of Grand Forks, ND. Fire breaks out and spreads in downtown Grand Forks, but high water levels hamper efforts to reach the fire, leading to the destruction of 11 buildings.
* 1999 – The German Bundestag returns to Berlin.
* 2005 – Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger elected Pope Benedict XVI on the second day of the Papal conclave.
* 2008 – Bowie Seamount on the coast of British Columbia, Canada becomes a Marine Protected Area.

Births

* 1603 – Michel le Tellier, French statesman (d. 1685)
* 1658 – Johann Wilhelm, Elector Palatine (d. 1716)
* 1665 – Jacques Lelong, French bibliographer (d. 1721)
* 1686 – Vasily Tatishchev, Russian statesman (d. 1750)
* 1721 – Roger Sherman, signer of the U.S. Declaration of Independence (d. 1793)
* 1772 – David Ricardo, English political economist
* 1785 – Alexandre Pierre Franηois Boλly, French composer (d. 1858)
* 1787 – Deaf Smith, American frontiersman and revolutionary (d. 1837)
* 1793 – Emperor Ferdinand I of Austria (d. 1875)
* 1814 – Louis Amιdιe Achard, French novelist (d. 1875)
* 1832 – Josι Echegaray y Eizaguirre, Spanish writer, Nobel Prize laureate (d. 1916)
* 1874 – Ernst Rόdin, Swiss psychiatrist, geneticist, and eugenicist (d. 1952)
* 1877 – Ole Evinrude, Norwegian-American inventor (d. 1934)
* 1882 – Getϊlio Vargas, President of Brazil (d. 1954)
* 1883 – Richard von Mises, Austrian-born mathematician (d. 1953)
* 1889 – Otto Georg Thierack, German jurist and politician (d. 1946)
* 1892 – Germaine Tailleferre, French composer (d. 1983)
* 1897 – Jiroemon Kimura, Japanese supercentenarian
* 1897 – Peter de Noronha, Indian businessman and philanthropist (d. 1970)
* 1897 – Constance Talmadge, American actress (d. 1973)
* 1899 – George O'Brien, American actor (d. 1985)
* 1900 – Richard Hughes, English novelist (d. 1976)
* 1900 – Roland Michener, Governor General of Canada (d. 1991)
* 1903 – Eliot Ness, American lawman (d. 1957)
* 1912 – Glenn Seaborg, American chemist, Nobel Prize laureate (d. 1999)
* 1920 – Gene Leis, American Jazz guitarist and educator (d. 1993)
* 1921 – Anna Lee Aldred, American first licenced female jockey (d. 2006)
* 1922 – Erich Hartmann, German fighter pilot (d. 1993)
* 1925 – Hugh O'Brian, American actor
* 1928 – Alexis Korner, English musician (d. 1984)
* 1930 – Dick Sargent, American actor (d. 1994)
* 1931 – Garfield Morgan, English actor
* 1931 – Walter Stewart, Canadian journalist (d. 2004)
* 1932 – Fernando Botero, Colombian artist
* 1933 – Dickie Bird, English cricket umpire
* 1933 – Jayne Mansfield, American actress (d. 1967)
* 1934 – Dickie Goodman, American producer of novelty songs (d. 1989)
* 1935 – Dudley Moore, English actor, comedian and composer (d. 2002)
* 1935 – Justin Rigali, American Roman Catholic cardinal
* 1936 – Wilfried Martens, Prime Minister of Belgium
* 1937 – Elinor Donahue, American actress
* 1937 – Joseph Estrada, actor and 13th President of the Philippines
* 1940 – Dougal Haston, Scottish mountaineer (d. 1977)
* 1940 – Genya Ravan, American vocalist (Goldie & the Gingerbreads, Ten Wheel Drive)
* 1941 – Roberto Carlos, Brazilian singer
* 1941 – Bobby Russell, American songwriter (d. 1992)
* 1941 – Alan Price, English musician (The Animals, The Alan Price Set)
* 1942 – Bas Jan Ader, Dutch artist (disappeared 1975)
* 1942 – Jack Roush, American racing entrepreneur
* 1943 – Eve Graham, Scottish singer (The New Seekers)
* 1944 – James Heckman, American economist, Bank of Sweden Prize
* 1944 – Bernie Worrell, American keyboardist (P Funk)
* 1944 – Keith Erickson, American basketball player
* 1946 – Tim Curry, British actor
* 1946 – Mary Jo Slater, American casting director
* 1947 – Murray Perahia, American pianist
* 1947 – Mark Volman, American musician (The Turtles, The Mothers Of Invention)
* 1948 – Rick Miller, American baseball player
* 1949 – Paloma Picasso daughter of artist Pablo Picasso
* 1949 – Larry Walters, American "lawn chair" pilot (d. 1993)
* 1951 – Barry Brown, American actor and writer (d. 1978)
* 1951 – Jσannes Eidesgaard, Prime Minister of the Faroe Islands
* 1952 – Alexis Arguello, Nicaraguan boxer (d. 2009)
* 1953 – Rod Morgenstein, American musician (Winger)
* 1953 – Ruby Wax, British television personality
* 1954 – Trevor Francis, English footballer
* 1954 – Bob Rock, Canadian record producer & musician (The Payolas)
* 1957 – Mukesh Ambani, Indian businessman
* 1957 – Tony Martin, English musician
* 1959 – Donald Markwell, Australian educator, Warden of Rhodes House, Oxford
* 1960 – Roger Merrett, Australian footballer
* 1960 – John Schweitz, American basketball player and coach
* 1960 – Frank Viola, American baseball player
* 1961 – Spike Owen, American baseball player
* 1962 – Al Unser, Jr., American race car driver
* 1963 – Valerie Plame Wilson, American former C.I.A. agent
* 1964 – Gordon Marshall, Scottish footballer
* 1965 – Natalie Dessay, French soprano
* 1965 – Suge Knight, American record producer
* 1966 – Vιronique Gens, French soprano
* 1966 – Julia Neigel, German singer, songwriter, producer, author and entertainer
* 1966 – David La Haye, Canadian actor
* 1966 – Osamu Matsuda, Japanese professional wrestler
* 1967 – Steven H Silver, American science fiction editor
* 1967 – Dar Williams, American musician and songwriter
* 1968 – Ashley Judd, American actress
* 1968 – Craig McNeil, American writer, lawyer, and military officer
* 1968 – Mswati III, King of Swaziland
* 1968 – Pascal Kleiman, Spanish DJ, producer, musician
* 1968 – Arshad Warsi, Indian actor
* 1969 – Jesse James, American television personality and motorcycle builder
* 1969 – Susan Polgar, Hungarian-born American chess player
* 1969 – Andrew Carnie, Linguistics Professor at the University of Arizona
* 1970 – Kelly Holmes, English athlete
* 1970 – Luis Miguel, Mexican pop-singer
* 1972 – Rivaldo, Brazilian footballer
* 1972 – Jeff Wilkins, American football player
* 1974 – Akara Amarttayakul, Thai actor
* 1975 – Jason Gillespie, Australian cricketer
* 1975 – Jussi Jδδskelδinen, Finnish footballer
* 1976 – Ruud Jolie, Dutch guitarist (Within Temptation)
* 1976 – Scott Padgett, American basketball player
* 1977 – Joe Beimel, American baseball player
* 1977 – Lucien Mettomo, Cameroonian footballer
* 1977 – Dennys Reyes, Mexican baseball player
* 1978 – James Franco, American actor
* 1978 – Gabriel Heinze, Argentinian footballer
* 1978 – Amanda Sage, American born visionary artist
* 1979 – Kate Hudson, American actress
* 1980 – Alexis Thorpe, American actress
* 1981 – Hayden Christensen, Canadian actor
* 1981 – Martin Havlat, Czech hockey player
* 1981 – Troy Polamalu, American football player
* 1981 – Catalina Sandino Moreno, Colombian actress
* 1983 – Alberto Callaspo, Venezuelan baseball player
* 1983 – Zack Duke, American baseball player
* 1983 – Joe Mauer, American baseball player
* 1983 – Curtis Thigpen, American baseball player
* 1984 – Lee Da Hae, South Korean actress
* 1985 – Valon Behrami, Swiss Footballer
* 1986 – Candace Parker, American basketball player
* 1987 – Joe Hart, English Under-21 footballer
* 1987 – Maria Sharapova, Russian-born professional tennis player
* 1987 – Oksana Akinshina, Russian actress
* 1987 – Courtland Mead, American actor
* 1989 – Fiona MacGillivray, Canadian vocalist (The Cottars), Danny "DSilva #1" Silverberg was born.
* 1990 – Kim Chiu, Filipino actress

Deaths

* 1012 – Alphege, Archbishop of Canterbury (b. 954)
* 1054 – Pope Leo IX (b. 1002)
* 1390 – King Robert II of Scotland (b. 1316)
* 1560 – Philipp Melanchthon, German humanist and reformer (b. 1497)
* 1567 – Michael Stifel, German mathematician (b. 1487)
* 1578 – Uesugi Kenshin, Japanese samurai and warlord (b. 1530)
* 1588 – Paolo Veronese, Italian painter (b. 1528)
* 1608 – Thomas Sackville, 1st Earl of Dorset, English statesman and poet (b. 1536)
* 1618 – Thomas Bastard, clergyman and epigrammatist
* 1627 – John Beaumont, English poet (b. 1583)
* 1629 – Sigismondo d'India, Italian composer
* 1684 – Roger Williams, English theologian and colonist (b. 1603)
* 1686 – Antonio de Solνs y Ribadeneyra, Spanish writer (b. 1610)
* 1689 – Queen Christina of Sweden (b. 1626)
* 1733 – Elizabeth Villiers, mistress of William III of England
* 1739 – Nicholas Saunderson, English mathematician (b. 1682)
* 1751 – Peter Lacy, Irish-born Russian Field marshal (b. 1678)
* 1768 – Canaletto, Italian artist (b. 1697)
* 1791 – Richard Price, Welsh philosopher (b. 1723)
* 1813 – Benjamin Rush, physician, activist (b. 1745)
* 1824 – George Gordon Byron, 6th Baron Byron, English poet (b. 1788)
* 1831 – Johann Gottlieb Friedrich von Bohnenberger, German mathematician (b. 1765)
* 1840 – Jean-Jacques Lartigue, Roman Catholic bishop of Montreal (b. 1777)
* 1854 – Robert Jameson, Scottish naturalist (b. 1774)
* 1881 – Benjamin Disraeli, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom (b. 1804)
* 1882 – Charles Darwin, English biologist (b. 1809)
* 1892 – Fr. Thomas Dale SSC, Anglican clergyman prosecuted for Ritualist practices in the 1870s (b. 1821)
* 1901 – Alfred Horatio Belo, American newswriter and businessman (b. 1839)
* 1906 – Pierre Curie, French physicist, Nobel Prize laureate (b. 1859)
* 1906 – Spencer Gore, British tennis player and cricketer (b. 1850)
* 1914 – Charles Sanders Peirce, American philosopher and mathematician (b. 1839)
* 1916 – Ephraim Shay, American inventor (b. 1839)
* 1926 – Alexander Alexandrovich Chuprov, Russian statistician (b. 1874)
* 1930 – Georges-Casimir Dessaulles, Canadian senator (b. 1827)
* 1937 – William Martin Conway, British art critic and mountaineer (b. 1856)
* 1941 – Johanna Mόller-Hermann, Austrian composer and pedagogue (b. 1878)
* 1949 – Ulrich Salchow, Swedish figure skater (b. 1877)
* 1950 – Ernst Robert Curtius, Alsatian philologist (b. 1886)
* 1966 – Javier Solis, Mexican singer (b. 1931)
* 1967 – Konrad Adenauer, German statesman (b. 1876)
* 1988 – Kwon Ki-ok, first Korean female pilot (b. 1901)
* 1989 – Daphne du Maurier, British novelist (b. 1907)
* 1991 – Stanley Hawes, British-born Australian film producer, director and administrator (b. 1905)
* 1992 – Benny Hill, English comic actor (b. 1924)
* 1993 – David Koresh, leader of Branch Davidians (b. 1959)
* 1993 – George S. Mickelson, American politician (b. 1941)
* 1997 – El Duce, American singer and drummer (The Mentors) (b. 1958)
* 1998 – Octavio Paz, Mexican diplomat and writer, Nobel Prize laureate (b. 1914)
* 1999 – David Sanes, US Navy employee (b. 1954)
* 1999 – Hermine Braunsteiner, Nazi war criminal (b. 1919)
* 2000 – Louis Applebaum, Canadian conductor and composer (b. 1918)
* 2002 – Layne Staley, American musician, Alice in Chains (b. 1967)
* 2004 – Norris McWhirter, Scottish co-founder of the Guinness Book of Records (b. 1925)
* 2004 – John Maynard Smith, English biologist (b. 1920)
* 2005 – Ruth Hussey, American actress (b. 1911)
* 2005 – Niels-Henning Ψrsted Pedersen, Danish jazz bassist (b. 1946)
* 2005 – George Pan Cosmatos, Greek film director (b. 1941)
* 2005 – Clement Meadmore, Australian sculptor (b. 1929)
* 2006 – Scott Crossfield, American pilot, first man to fly at Mach 2 (b. 1921)
* 2006 – Zola Levitt, Messianic Jewish preacher (b. 1938)
* 2007 – Jean-Pierre Cassel, French actor (b. 1932)
* 2007 – Helen Walton, wife of Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton (b. 1919)
* 2008 – John Marzano, American baseball player (b. 1963)
* 2008 – Germaine Tillion, French anthropologist, member of French Resistance (b. 1907)
* 2008 – Alfonso Lσpez Trujillo, Cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church (b. 1935)
* 2009 – J.G. Ballard, British novelist (b. 1930)

Holidays and observances

* Bicycle Day
* Christian Feast day
o Ζlfheah of Canterbury
o Emma of Lesum
o Expeditus
o George of Antioch
* Dutch-American Friendship Day (United States)
* End of the Cerealia (Roman Empire)
* King Mswati III's birthday (Swaziland)
* Landing of the 33 (Uruguay)
* Patriots' Day (Traditional) (Massachusetts, Maine, and Wisconsin, USA)
* Primrose Day (United Kingdom)

[onehandle]

3. Hey, Talk to Rachel. But that's some nice rationalization. You betcha. nt

[slackmaster]

4. I can't stand Rachel because she hasn't earned her smugness

Her template of "Ooooh, look what those nasty right-wingers did now! Let's all overreact." bores me silly. She's full of herself.

When I see smugness I want it to be genuine, something that a person worked for decades to develop like that of the late William F. Buckley. He acquired his smugness the old-fashioned way.

[nyc 4 Biden]

8. you should let her know when she has earned it.

these tea-partiers and tim mcveigh are part of the same movement. i don't think you can deny that.

[slackmaster]

10. As a matter of fact, I do deny that it is a cohesive movement

McVeigh's bombing was a focused reaction to two specific events - The government raids at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

The Tea Party fools are about taxation and the scope of federal power in general.

Too many people on this forum are falling into a media-concocted trap of believing there is a big conspiracy, that it's dangerous, and are overreacting to it.

Rachel Maddow is one of the biggest perpetrators of the exaggerated reaction.

[onehandle]

13. Yes. Keep attacking Rachel Maddow. One of the last television journalists.

Keep attacking the messenger.

Please.

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[slackmaster]

16. Rachel Maddow's education is in Politics, not Journalism. She's an entertainer and commentator.

She's wrong about this topic, and so are you.

I've been actively involved in supporting the right to keep and bear arms for more than 16 years. I know the mind-set and philosophy of the people who organize these events. I get invited to them.

Timothy McVeigh is not the issue, onehandle. You're attempting to indulge in guilt by association based solely on a calendar date.

[onehandle]

17. Oh, c'mon. You have stronger words than that.

Don't you?

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[slackmaster]

26. Because that would not be accurate

Are you capable of carrying on a conversation without resorting to personal attacks?

[onehandle]

30. Oh, they just got a little carried away.

Rachel is very popular here.

[ussalkaselsior]

34. Agreed

I'm about as liberal as Maddow is, but sometimes she's just disgusting. It is guilt by association based on a calendar date. Frankly, when it comes to solid arguments, she's about as bad as half of the tea party protesters.

[Paladin]

35. How Many Does That Make, Slack?

How many "it ain't no big deal" excuses have you made for right-wing extremist movements in the last two or three weeks? It's getting tiresome, and you're revealing things about yourself you probably don't realize.....

[Mojeoux]

32. "the old fashioned way"? Are You Gay Slacker? Do you have a clue?

"The late William Buckley" I'm so sure. As if.

Rachael does not talk down to the lesser beings like Buckley.

Rachael knows damn well that Buckley and the "old boy's club" would have scorned to attend to the opinions of a little lesbian chick.

Rachael Maddow Rocks and SHE HAS PAID HER DUES!!!!

Fuck the OLD BOYS CLUB and Fuck The Old Fashioned Way.

[RaleighNCDUer]

19. Unfounded?

McVeigh CHOSE that day for his bombing BECAUSE of 1) Waco, and 2) "Patriot's Day".

There is NOTHING unfounded about the association at all.

He said as much. He went to his death believing himself to be a new breed of american patriot.

[slackmaster]

20. What you said about McVeigh is correct and well-documented

onehandle's attempt to associate the rallies planned for April 19 with some kind of "memorial" for McVeigh is neither.

[RaleighNCDUer]

21. On the contrary, when did you EVER see a "Patriots Day"

celebration in this country, outside of maybe a couple parades in New England? And when was it EVER a rally for RW militias, prior to Waco?

Sure, I fully expect there might have been some kind of "Lexington and Concord Day" celebrated in those communities, but I KNOW that nationwide April 19th was soundly ignored throughout my lifetime.The ONLY reason it has become a rally date is because of Waco and, through Waco, Tim McVeigh.

Why aren't these people celebrating December 16th, instead?

[slackmaster]

23. Many things could be substituted for "Waco" in your post

Even if the April 19 date was chosen because of Waco (and as pro-RKBA insider I am telling you first-hand that is not the case), that would not automatically make its promoters pro-McVeigh. It would simply be a common root cause, which does not logically mean that the results have a causal relationship with each other. But logic has never been a strong point for people whose sole purpose in life is demonizing those with whom they disagree.

Why aren't these people celebrating December 16th, instead?

The actual date of the Boston Tea Party? Because the weather sucks in a lot of places in December, and some anti-gun jackass would claim that the date was chosen in commemoration of Heinrich Himmler's declaration that the Romani Gypsy prisoners would be sent to Auschwitz, or Adolf Hitler's 1938 proclamation of the Cross of Honor of the German Mother to be given as awards to German women who went the extra mile having babies or whatever it was for.

[RaleighNCDUer]

31. OK, go ahead, do it. Cut and paste my reply and insert 'many things'

where I said 'Waco'.

See if ANY of them make any kind of political sense whatsoever.

You, yourself, said my making a connection between McVeigh and Waco was founded in truth. Play your substitution game and find any other historical commemoration that connects the teabaggers to McVeigh to April 19th.

April 19th stopped being celebrated nationally by 1820 - and nobody but the far right made a big deal of it UNTIL Waco.

Of course, you might not recognize that as being factual if you were brought up in a Bircher household, but look at your own personal history - did ANYBODY ever mention April 19th since you learned about Paul Revere's ride in 3rd grade?

Face it, you are wrong on this one, and supporting the teabaggers on their celebration of this day will only hurt your (one and only) cause of gun rights.

[Truth2Tell]

28. Of course slackmaster, I don't know how I missed it..

These marches are obviously to celebrate the life and death of Octavio Paz, the great Mexican diplomat and writer.

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

37. I'm sorry, but this dog whistle leaked into audible frequencies. -nt

[notadmblnd]

2. NO. Why would anyone want to memorialize Tim McVeigh?

I don't approve of what he did, and AFAIC, who ever shows up for that little circus is celebrating the Oklahoma city bombing.

[slackmaster]

5. Or the battles of Concord and Lexington

Or the birth of Dudley Moore...

[onehandle]

6. So you're saying it's a coincidence?

REALLY?

Really?

[slackmaster]

7. Pick ANY DATE on the calendar and I can find something evil associated with it

Using only Wikipedia.

You have a lack of imagination, onehandle. Correlation does not prove causation.

[onehandle]

15. Nice try. nt

[14thColony]

24. I'm with you on this one, re: correlation vs causation

I have serious doubts the majority of baggers know any implications of that date, whether it be with respect to McVeigh or that fact that it's Bangladeshi National Language Selection Day (1954).

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

36. So that "W Ketchup" they were selling in 2004... the W really was for Washington? Not GWB? -nt

[NYC_SKP]

9. Oh, now I understand what this other post was all about.

I all makes sense now.

I'm kinda dense.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8079181

:P

[slackmaster]

11. I wish I could Rec a reply

:toast:

[onehandle]

12. I think calling McVeigh memorializers dildo wielders may be against the 'special' rules. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. This is a dishonest comparison.

It's really to honor the cop killing child molestors at Waco.

[onehandle]

27. Potato, potahto. nt

[deaniac21]

29. I always strech before I run and lift weights.