The way to really get to those damn teabaggers

[happy_liberal]

We are all getting tired of these morans getting so much attention for doing nothing. Instead of just lowering ourselves to their level, we should embrace the fact that they are speaking out and use it to our advantage. When Bush was in office it was impossible to talk to these people as they were always on the defensive. Now that Obama is in office, they are on the attack and feeling empowered...perfect time to discuss their issues with them.


What is their biggest issue....taxes.......

What is the biggest drain of their tax dollars?

Your Tax Dollars at War: More Than 53% of Your Tax Payment Goes to the Military
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8141521


They need to be confronted with this fact. How do they make sense of it in their minds? How can they support optional wars?

and if they really think this money is needed, they need to be confronted with this:

KBR Making Millions Off Mechanics Working 43 Minutes A Month In Iraq
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/kbr-idle-hands-iraq-balad-contract-waste-pentagon-report-hearing

When they see the former VPs company blatantly ripping them off...ask them do they still think the war was about terrorism and WMDs?




What is their second biggest issue? BIG Government!

This is a good time to explain to them that their hero George W created a whole new division of the government called the Dept of Homeland Security. He made illegal wiretapping legal retroactively ( as in he was illegally wiretapping you! ) which is a major subversion of the Constitution and is still not actually legal considering no ammendment to the Constitution was made to remove our protection from illegal search and seizure. Then there is the Patriot Act....

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Instead of just bashing these ignorant folks (knowing that the media is showing you the most ignorant racist morans thay can find in an attempt to divide and conquer)...we can use their sudden interest in big government, national debts, and high taxes to get them over to our side on these issues.

Maybe if we stopped pointing the finger and saying stupid stuff like 'they're just racist' (as if they didn't give Bill Clinton a hard time)...we would realize we have more in common than not. This is exactly why the media promotes divide and conquer, because if we united they would have a much harder time controlling the masses.

[mdmc]

1. two things

1- the PATRIOT Act - destroyed the American Constitution (where was the outrage?)
2- WMD - our deficit went through the roof - all to profit the military industrial complex (where was the outrage).

If the teabaggers were against these things, I give them mad props. I call those people "Ron Paul Supporters" and not teabaggers.

[happy_liberal]

3. teabaggers(the media) stole the movement from Ron Paul Supporters

Ron Paul raised more money than McCain or Romney and they know that more people support him and this movement was growing so they co-opted it.

Kucinich and Ron Paul had very similar presidential platforms in many ways.

Normally DUers would support much of Ron Paul's platform like ending the wars, nafta, the drug war, the patriot act.......and if Kucinich people joined the Ron Paul people, the most activist oriented voters...there would be a movement to hot to squash.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed but there is a concerted effort to make the left hate the right and vice versa.

It is so obvious that is what they want...why do so many people just play into their hands?

[mdmc]

5. I've spoken to many Ron Paul supporters

I even have a gay friend that was a huge Paulite...

The Paulites I met are real cool. I am a bleeding heart tax and spend liberal, so I don't have much in common with libertarians. Yet I feel like we have a bond..

[happy_liberal]

6. "I am a bleeding heart tax and spend liberal" me too!

I'm looking for a society where everyone looks out for each other, not every man for himself...but I am not looking to agree with these people's philosophy.

I want action and these people as misguided as they are, are out protesting on the streets and getting media attention.

Now if we can just turn that attention to where it needs to be to get some real action, namely ending the illegal immoral wars and the freaking patriot act and homeland security dept....then at least we will have gotten somewhere. I don't care who takes credit, I just want these atrocities to end now!

[mdmc]

7. in time, my friend..

I do see a future where the left and right get powerful enough to challenge the corporations..

[happy_liberal]

8. I hope you are right!

:pray:

[Renegades of Funk]

10. Ron Paul

Paul-ites are pretty cool. I actually know an atheist libertarian conservative (legit, not Glenn Beck libertarian). Ron Paul is pretty good with social values, however he needs to tone down the conspiracy theory Lyndon LaRouche stuff.

[unpossibles]

9. yes and no

The Ron Paul crowd tend to be a bit too Libertarian for my taste, especially with his/their views on public education, yet do a non-Libertarian about face on things like women's rights and abortion.

[mdmc]

11. ..

[immoderate]

2. I wish you luck.

Points to you for a rational approach. But it's hard to counter delusions.

--imm

[happy_liberal]

4. "hard to counter delusions"

Oh I know, and these people have been lied to, they have no idea what is really going on. (They actually think the supreme court stepped in in 2000 to prevent Gore from stealing the election!)


But....no one can debate the fact that the majority of their tax dollars is spent on military and we have all kinds of evidence that their is some major looting going on in Iraq etc. Their money is being stolen!


They also cannot deny the existence of the Homeland Security dept. so it might be fun to watch their brains malfunction when they try to make sense of it.

[ncteechur]

12. You are trying to reason with the unreasonable. They love government as long as it doesn't help

anyone that isn't them.