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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:12 AM
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Putting teeth in the fight against rape

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/study-abroad/100326/south-africa-rape-axe


Sonnet Ehlers looked into the eyes of the rape victim and saw nothing.

“Her eyes looked like marbles, totally dead,” said Ehlers, who was working as a medical researcher at Kimberley Hospital in the Northern Cape of South Africa when a 20-year-old South African woman was being treated for rape injuries.

But Ehlers remembers clearly one sentence the young woman uttered: “If only I had teeth down there.”

South African Ehlers made a promise to herself to "do something about this.” Forty years later, the result is the Rape-aXe, an anti-rape device with "teeth."

Rape-aXe is a flexible polyurethane condom-like tube that fits into the woman's body. Rows of jagged plastic hooks line the inside of the tube — bent backward like teeth in a shark’s mouth — and lodge in a perpetrator's penis upon entry. The perpetrator can withdraw from the woman, but the Rape-aXe remains clamped on. Trying to pull it off will cause discomfort.

Though the device causes great distress, it does not draw blood, Ehlers says, which is crucial in areas where HIV/AIDS rates are high. A man must seek medical attention to have the Rape-aXe removed. Until then, he cannot urinate, essentially tagging him until he gets to a hospital, she explains. Ehlers says she consulted an engineer, gynecologist and psychologist on the design.

Grace Faraja, 29, has lived through the constant fear of being raped. She lived most of her life in Kinshasa, the capital of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, before being granted refugee status and moving to New Hampshire in 2008. She says that if she were back in Congo, she would wear the Rape-aXe.

-snip with video and text-

Women already have been arming themselves with homemade defenses — a razor blade hidden in a vaginal sponge or razor blades glued to the inside of a plastic cap that is worn in the vagina. Some South African women have taken to wearing bicycle shorts so short and so tight that cannot be yanked off, Ehlers says.

In South Africa, which has been dubbed the rape capital of the world, women are begging for access to the device, Ehlers says. A 2006 Interpol study found that a woman is raped every 17 seconds in South Africa. A separate study found that of more than 20,000 reports of rape across South Africa, only 8 percent led to a conviction, according to a 2009 Amnesty International report.

-snip-

Ehlers will not release the Rape-aXe until she is able to first distribute the devices to South African women. She plans to distribute 30,000 at no cost, and hopefully before the World Cup games in June, she says. They will cost less than $2 each thereafter.

"Women try to fight, to save themselves, but you can’t fight men," Faraja says. "You don’t know when they’re going to rape you, you can’t walk with a weapon. It comes abruptly ... It’s done in darkness."
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its so much fun being a female

hugs and kisses for Ehlers - hope this device gets to women everywhere
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:39 AM
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1. This device (or an earlier version) has been around for at least a few years.
If you can believe it, those earlier articles actually reported that she faced OPPOSITION to this idea from government officials and others. How ridiculous is that, that some cabinet guy would rather focus on the way the story made him cringe than the fact that this could drastically reduce the frequency of rape and increase rates of conviction!
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:44 AM
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2. Awesome.
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 11:44 AM by Brickbat
I hope everyone who needs one gets several.

How sad that the threat of having something chomp down on his dick might be what keeps a man from raping.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:49 AM
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3. A BIG K&R
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:51 AM
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4. Great. And with the adrenaline explosion to follow . . .
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 11:53 AM by HughBeaumont
. . . how likely will it be that the rape victim becomes a murder victim?

If they're insane enough to rape, they're insane enough to kill.

Honestly, I don't really see a solution to solve SA's or DRC's rampant violent crime problems. You could say "military intervention", but look how well THAT'S worked out for Iraq and Afghanistan.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:57 AM
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6. "Insane enough to rape"?
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 11:59 AM by redqueen
I don't think rape implies insanity. Most rapes are committed by acquaintances, 'friends', dates... they're not insane, they just think they're entitled to do whatever they want in this particular context.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:06 PM
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9. But doesn't that go a bit beyond garden-variety sociopathy?
We're talking forcible intercourse here. Whether related or not, such a crime isn't committed by anyone with a stable mental makeup by any means.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:25 PM
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13. So your solution
is that we should just let it happen?!?
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:13 PM
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23. I think she is saying that if the device does not incapacitate the male....
Then there is a good chance that he will murder the woman in a fit of rage following the injuring of his precious penis.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 08:12 PM
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61. I don't know...
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 08:12 PM by awoke_in_2003
if I had anything on my penis that wouldn't come off that would be my prime concern.

on edit- but then, again, I do not think like a rapist.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 08:12 PM
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62. and she'd still be raped
Once penetration has occurred it's already rape. It doesn't save anyone from being raped since the device is useless until penetration. And, yes, I believe it would serve to enrage the rapist who is far more likely to retaliate by beating and/or killing her.

The only way I see such a thing as any deterrent is if the rapist worries she's wearing the device. But that might just serve to encourage rapists to use other orfices.

I don't see this device as doing anything but give women false confidence and may put them in greater danger.



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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:28 PM
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14. college studies on males, 50-60% would commit rape if they could get away with it
no

i do not think it is about sociopathy or unstable mental makeup
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:14 PM
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24. Do you have a link or citation to that study?
I'd be curious to look at it.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:39 PM
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26. i read a study
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 01:40 PM by seabeyond
a while back with the number at 63%. but i have yet to find it since. i googled "college study men would rape if they could get away with it". i am very bad at googling and searching, lol, really bad. i dont even try. but there is a lot, lot of studies and discussion under that and numbers all over the place. some dated. some from sites i dont know others would consider valid. just a lot of interesting studies on this.

so i generalized.

i think the big thing we need to understand about date rape, and accept, is rape is not the scary monster. it is as much a male that feels entitled, that has been conditioned by society, that is the friend, or date, or or or....

i just do not put a lot of these men as the evil... sociopath, .... or mentally unstable.

reading a lot of it, there are men/boys that dont see rape as rape, or see a calidation in raping because. there are a lot of girls that also have been conditioning to not seeing, or feeling deserved.

i would rather approach from that direction than simply suggest it is a sickness.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 02:00 PM
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29. Yes, I certainly understand that.
Frankly, I just find the suggestion that over half of college age men think it's only bad if they get caught to be shocking. If true (and I have no reason to think it is not true) then it is an indictment on men generally. If they are asked what would they do in X, Y, Z situation without the question spelling out that it is rape, I can see how someone who has never given it a second thought might fail to see what is wrong. While it seems hard to imagine, a lot of these guys don't seem to realize that if "consent" is obtained by intimidation or intoxication, it's still wrong. A lot of people's moral compasses are wrong on the topic of offenses against women for some reason. Oppression based on race is universally condemned as a human rights violation, but oppression against women is just their culture or religion.

Again, you are right that the threat is not usually from the boogey man, but usually closer to home. And your are right that a person can be a normally functioning human being and still be a rapist.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 03:18 PM
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37. IIRC the thing about that study is that the word "rape" was intentionally not used...
...in order to prevent said students from reacting to the word rather than the action. IMO most rapists (the rapist that grabs women off the street is only a small minority of rapes) don't think they are "raping" anyone, they just feel entitled to sex. Is is why I have a problem with the assertion that rape is all about power, in most of these cases (when one EXCLUDES the minority of rapes involving the stereotypical rapist that grabs women off the street) it IS about sex.

IMO the "Rape is all about power" and "Rapists are inhuman monsters" notions are about finding excuses to ignore the misogyny in our society.
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:16 PM
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42. +1 to everything you just said.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:40 PM
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47. you are right and that was interesting. didnt use rape, but sheeeit
desrcibed a rape with threat of weapon. lordy. but i do agree with your accessment of it all. i think if we dont put it in the proper format, we will be missing an opportunity to evolve.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 05:16 PM
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49. I agree!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 02:00 PM
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30. There have been many studies...
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 02:12 PM by redqueen
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 02:12 PM
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31. "· 42% of the victims told no one."
I wish I could do something about that.

--It wasn't your fault.

--It wasn't because you are a (insert misogynist term of your choice).

--Even if you are a (insert misogynist term of your choice), it's still not okay.

--It is understandable that you did not resist or scream because you were scared.

--Don't feel guilty about reporting. This is his fault, not yours.

--We will believe you no matter who it was.

--You deserve justice.

--To help get you justice, we need to see you as soon as possible. Do not shower or wash your clothes first.


The 11-14 yr.-olds show what we are up against. The law and basic decency are contrary to what is euphemistically called our cultural "values."
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 02:16 PM
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33. In another survey 90% said they never reported it.
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 02:21 PM by redqueen
And yes, the responses of the youngest show that this really is a cultural problem.


Also, regarding women not reporting it... from :http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/journalism/magazine/4-97/features/articles/f-daterape.html

Then why aren't these young women pressing charges? Date rape is hard to prove. Unlike other crimes, rape is underreported because of the powerful stigma associated with it, according to Nassrine Farhoody, executive director of The Rape Crisis Center of Central Massachusetts based in Worcester, in the October 27 issue of The Sunday Telegram.

"Unless the victim fits a very narrow window of who we're going to consider credible - it's a random act where you don't know the perpetrator, where you're not dressing provocatively - the victim is automatically going to be blamed," Farhoody said. "I think that's the reason more people don't come forward. That's not something people want to put themselves through--where they become the person on trial."
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 02:16 PM
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34. i know three women, four rapes, none reported. how do you put a number on unreported?
i am betting it is higher. FBI says 30-70% of rapes unreported. lol. using that large a spread of number alone tells us a whole lot.

3 women, 4 rapes and it is something us women dont talk about, even amongst ourselves.
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:12 PM
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41. In a survey of male college students, 51% reported they might rape a woman if assured they would not
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 04:14 PM by iris27
get caught.

Original citation: Koss, Mary P., and Mary R. Harvey. 1991. The Rape Victim: Clinical and Community Interventions. Sage Library of Social Research.

Found at: www.icasa.org/docs/acquaintance_rape_-_DRAFT_7.doc (link is a downloadable word doc)
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 08:29 PM
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64. God, how awful. But thanks for providing a link to that study. nt
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 05:22 PM
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51. college studies on males, 50-60% would drink beer all day if they could get away with it
Same study you cited. :toast:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 05:32 PM
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52. excellent dismissing move. you equate sexual violence to drinking beer? nt
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:39 AM
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66. I just think it is as likely as your statement (nt)
There is nothing to dismiss, i am just posting unsubstantiated opinion same as you have done.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:32 PM
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16. how many rape interviews have you done?
i've interrogated many many rapists and read reports on many others.

there are plenty that have "stable" mental makeups. no history of violence or sociopathy, stable job, bla bla bla

unless you are being tautological and saying if they commit rape, they aren't stable mentally, of course.

the point is plenty of otherwise completely normal people have and will commit rape

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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:59 PM
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28. That is my impression
Just reading studies or interviews with college students who slip so called 'date rape' drugs into victims drinks. These young men don't seem to be unstable, but at the least, they've a sense of sexual entitlement shared by males everywhere. This entitlement is part of rape culture. Rape culture leads to otherwise 'normal' people committing rape.

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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 02:14 PM
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32. exactly
key language being "otherwise normal"
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:09 PM
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20. Such crimes are committed very regularly
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 01:11 PM by redqueen
by individuals who are very likely considered by most to have 'stable' mental makeups.

A lot of rapists seem like completely normal people... until they get some unlucky woman alone.
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:09 PM
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40. Sorry, rape doesn't even require "garden-variety sociopathy", much less full-fledged sociopathy.
In most societies including ours, the frequency with which it occurs, and the rarity with which it is punished, make it in fact not a bug of the culture, but a feature.

Just one study of many...

43% of college-aged men admitted using coercive behavior to have sex, including ignoring a woman's protest, using physical aggression, and forcing intercourse. 15% acknowledged they had committed acquaintance rape; 11% acknowledged using physical restraint to force a woman to have sex. Rapaport, Karen R., and C. Dale Posey. 1991. Sexually Coercive College Males. In Acquaintance Rape: The Hidden Crime. Andrea Parrot, ed. New York: John Wiley & Sons.

Not all rapists are a just a quick jump away from being murderers.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:07 PM
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19. A-fricking-men. nt
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:12 PM
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22. No, being capable of committing a horrible crime does not make a person insane. nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:03 PM
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7. just like fighting back can enrage to extent of murder. i say, give women, and girls
the choice.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:08 PM
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11. Hopefully it will also discourage more rape
word will hit the SA streets that your junk may get roughed up if you stick it in the wrong place!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:10 PM
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12. not to mention the inevitable being caught in rape, contraption hooked on penis.
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 12:11 PM by seabeyond
having to go to hospital to have removed
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:53 AM
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5. In areas with high incidence of rape
this could be a godsend for women.

I like that the perp has to seek medical attention to get it removed.

I hate to think it comes down to this, but wow, it's better to prevent the crime than to try to console victims afterward for a lifetime of misery.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:03 PM
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8. Hmmm....
interesting to say the least.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:06 PM
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10. k/r
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:30 PM
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15. my favorite part
"The perpetrator can withdraw from the woman, but the Rape-aXe remains clamped on. Trying to pull it off will cause discomfort."


l-o-l

"discomfort"

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:34 PM
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17. i know....
l-o-l

"discomfort"


subtle.
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justanaverageguy Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:34 PM
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18. Having never had to live in fear of rape myself I feel just
a bit unqualified to even comment on the subject. But since that's the point of this place.....

I think they are a great idea and should be given out freely. However, I question their effectiveness after a while. If their use becomes common wouldn't rapist just start checking for them before they.....inserted?

I don't know what, but a long term solution needs to be found.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:11 PM
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21. I predict this causing the deaths of many women.
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 01:14 PM by Tailormyst
I don't think they thought it completely through. I don't say this lightly. I am a rape survivor.

Now if they could just find a way to add some knock out drugs to it.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:18 PM
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25. If they're serial numbered and the victim has the number at home...
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 01:19 PM by Deep13
...then any murder would be traceable to the criminal when he goes to have the Denver Boot removed from his Johnson. That address some of the retaliation concerns. Alternatively, the hooks could be treated with an irritant that is so distracting that the victim can get away.

So what's to prevent the assailant from just removing the thing with a pair of scissors? They're just plastic, aren't they?
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 03:47 PM
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39. I'd like to think they'd need a hacksaw ..........
with a dull, rusty blade. I hope it will prevent a lot of attempts but do agree it could end up with some dead women. A survivor here too, this would have gotten me beaten to a pulp (at the least). Prevention though ........ it's a great idea! So sad to read the statistics and know those women and girls fear rape every day of their lives.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:18 PM
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43. They need prevention including a working justice system.
Yeah, they need to spell the the obvious to the men (this is bad and you need to report offenses you know about) and they need to teach women how to avoid danger. The problem is, the the whole country is dangerous, how can they do that? I'm guessing that like most traditional places, victims are stigmatized. They need to learn how to stop blaming the victims so that offenses will be reported.

It's all very demoralizing to think guys behave this way just because they won't get caught. How can they do that and not have to shoot themselves to relieve the guilt?
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:39 PM
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46. Yeah, but so do we (need a working justice system).
No criminal trial turns into an examination of the victim quite like a rape trial. I'd be willing to bet that most of the non-reporting survivors whom seabeyond and others have mentioned live right here in the US.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:51 PM
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48. Yes. We have a "rape shield" law here...
...but that only prevents prior sexual history of the victim from being admitted (unless it really is relevant, such as to explain a pregnancy, disease or outwise inexplicable biological evidence.) Still, the defense can cross victims on their motives and their memory. The worst are sexual assaults on children.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 07:48 PM
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56. That is exactly what happened to my friend with cerebral palsy who was raped.
The defense assassinated her character. :grr:
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:34 PM
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45. As far as I'm aware, they're not hooks so much as barbs.
So removal wouldn't be as simple as just cutting it off. I'm sure a determined enough individual could remove it themselves, but not without causing more than minor damage to rather sensitive parts of their anatomy.
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:43 PM
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27. All this will do is cause rapists to anally violate their victims,
Mark my words.
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:23 PM
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44. Nothing stopping the buyer from "doubling up", so to speak. n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 03:09 PM
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35. K&R
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 03:10 PM
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36. K&R
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tango-tee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 03:35 PM
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38. K&R! Definitely!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 05:18 PM
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50. This does nothing until the woman is actually penetrated
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 05:34 PM by slackmaster
Not to mention stripped and physically subdued.

I recommend a more effective, pro-active type of weapon like a knife or a gun, and training.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 05:35 PM
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53. +1
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 05:38 PM
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54. "rape capital of the world" The World Cup should be ashamed.
A rape every 17 seconds. I'm amazed that women there haven't taken up arms.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 07:46 PM
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55. And a rapist as a president.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 07:59 PM
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58. Really?
I admit I'm dreadfully uneducated on the topic. It's shameful to be sure.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 08:04 PM
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59. He got off because of his political connections not too long before he was elected.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 07:58 PM
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57. Devil's advocate
What stops the male from removing it first?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:58 PM
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67. good question. nt
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 08:06 PM
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60. I think this is a better solution:


Keep it razor sharp and train. It's super easy to conceal, hard to disarm (especially with a wrist lanyard), and dangerous the entire time it's 'in play'.
Insert as needed. Repeat liberally until desired result is obtained.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 08:37 PM
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65. A damn good close range weapon, but illegal in some states ...
as it is a dagger. For example:

New Jersey

* Summary: General folders OK. Single-edged fixed blades may be.
* Max length: Under 18 may not possess knife with 5" or longer blade, or 10" or longer overall. No other apparent limitation.
* Specifically illegal: gravity knife, switchblade knife, dagger, dirk, stiletto, or ballistic knife "without any explainable lawful purpose" (i.e. an ill-defined exemption). Manufacturers and sellers are not exempt.
* Relevant laws: 2C:39-3.e 2C:39-9.d 2C:39-9.1 (Statutes, search for "knife" or "knives")
http://www.donath.org/Rants/StateKnifeLaws/


A dagger (probably from Vulgar Latin: 'daca' - a Dacian knife) is a double-edged blade used for stabbing or thrusting. They often fulfill the role of a secondary defense weapon in close combat. In most cases, a tang extends into the handle along the centreline of the blade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagger


Fallkniven makes the G1 Garm Fighter which is an fairly expensive dagger but very high quality.







Cold Steel and some other companies make push daggers.



Cold Steel also makes daggers of varying size:


(L2R) Tai Pan, Peace Keeper I, Peace Keeper II, Counter Tac I, Counter Tac II

Be sure of your state law before carrying one of these in public, especially concealed.

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 08:26 PM
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63. How horrifying that we live in a world in which things like this are necessary.
Insane.
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