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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 10:20 AM
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Your Tax Dollars at War: More Than 53% of Your Tax Payment Goes to the Military
Your Tax Dollars at War: More Than 53% of Your Tax Payment Goes to the Military
by Dave Lindorff

If you're like me, now that we're in the week that federal income taxes are due, you are finally starting to collect your records and prepare for the ordeal. Either way, whether you are a procrastinator like me, or have already finished and know how much you have paid to the government, it is a good time to stop and consider how much of your money goes to pay for our bloated and largely useless and pointless military.

The budget for the 2011 fiscal year, which has to be voted by Congress by this Oct. 1, looks to be about $3 trillion, not counting the funds collected for Social Security (since the Vietnam War, the government has included the Social Security Trust Fund in the budget as a way to make the cost of America's imperial military adventures seem smaller in comparison to the total cost of government). Meanwhile, the military share of the budget works out to about $1.6 trillion.

That figure includes the Pentagon budget request of $708 billion, plus an estimated $200 billion in supplemental funding, called "overseas contingency funding" in euphemistic White House-speak), to fund the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, some $40 billion or more in "black box" intelligence agency funding, $94 billion in non-DOD military spending, $100 billion in veterans benefits and health care spending, and $400 billion in interest on debt raised to pay for prior wars and the standing military.

The 2011 military budget, by the way, is the largest in history, not just in actual dollars, but in inflation adjusted dollars, exceeding even the spending in World War II, when the nation was on an all-out military footing.

Military spending in all its myriad forms works out to represent 53.3% of total US federal spending.


It's also a budget that is rising at a faster pace than any other part of the budget (with the possible exception of bailing out crooked Wall Street financial firms and their managers). For the past decade, and continuing under the present administration, military budgets have been rising at a 9% annual clip, making health care inflation look tiny by comparison.

US military spending isn't just half of the US budget. It is also half of the entire global spending on war and weaponry. In 2009, according to the venerable War Resisters League, US military spending accounted for 47% of all money spent globally on war, weapons and military preparedness. What makes that staggering figure particularly ridiculous is that America's allies--countries like France, Britain, Germany, Italy, and Japan--account for another 21% of the world's military spending. Fully 12 of the top-spenders among big military-spending nations are either allies of the US, or are friendly countries like Brazil and India. That is to say, America and its friends and allies account for more than two-thirds of all military spending worldwide.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/13-4

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 10:45 AM
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1. It makes me ill to think about that...
the money that I work so hard for goes to kill impoverished people abroad.

Yippee. :(
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 10:49 AM
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2. And the repukes were worried that federal tax dollars would pay for abortions!!!!
Oh this shit burns me up.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:01 PM
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15. they like people to be born so they can kill them
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:03 AM
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34. exactly.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 07:05 PM
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29. ahhh but digging bullets out of dead pregnant women's bodies is just fine with war mongers!
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 07:17 PM by flyarm
and there are war mongers on both sides of the isle..and members of both parties. We see them here all the time!

Seems some here think as long as a democrat is running the wars..war is just fine!

Well it is not fine with me.

And i just can not get past two pregnant women being murdered by our special opps..and those fuckers digging the bullets out of their dead bodies..I actually had a nightmare about it.

I just had a grandchild and I just can not wrap my head around those innocent women being cut up after being murdered..to dig bullets out of them..they were slaughtered while awaiting gthe birth of their babies..

Jesus..who and what have we become??????

We have become as democrats what we despised in republicans..that is what and who we have become if we accept this war continuing!

I was at a baby shower this past weekend and the mother to be was so excited..and all the women sitting there watching the opening of gifts for the baby..and all I could think of is those women being dug into ..and my anger was at boiling point..I wanted to scream out..our military just murdered pregnant women ..and then dug the bullets out of their bodies..

I just can't get past it..

and don't even try to tell me this isn't Obama's war now..it damn well is..and it is in our name now!
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 10:50 AM
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3. Money that shouldbe going to Medicare for All.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 10:51 AM
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4. +1000000000000000000000000000
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 10:52 AM
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5. You've got that right!
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:29 AM
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13. Absolutely! n/t
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 05:40 PM
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27. That would mean protecting American lives instead of promoting corporate profits. nt
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:00 AM
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6. A little strange counting there, I believe.
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 11:04 AM by Robb
The unsourced/unknowable "black box" number aside, you don't get to round up when you want to ("$1.6 trillion") and round down elsewhere ("about $3 trillion").

It's still a big number, but a little sourcing and decent math would make the point stronger, IMO.

Edited to add: the "$400 billion in interest on debt raised to pay for prior wars and the standing military" could use a source, too, since the entire budget for interest payments on a $3.5 trillion budget in 2009 was $187 billion, per Wikipedia. :shrug:
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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:13 AM
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11. Second this
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 11:14 AM by NoNothing
Annual federal outlays are not difficult to find and paint quite a different picture than the headline suggests.

You could completely eliminate discretionary defense spending and budget still would not balance. That ought to tell you something.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:36 PM
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16. Looks like the author is doing a little dancing in the comments section over there
..."Look it up yourself" kind of stuff. :shrug:
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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:12 PM
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18. For anyone is interested
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 01:33 PM by NoNothing
Here are 2010 outlays:

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s0459.pdf

Note that even if you include "All other" with "defense" it is still less than "Payments for individuals." If we are going to be serious about solutions we need to be realistic about the problems.

EDIT: Sorry, those are 2009 outlays, not 2010.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:39 PM
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19. It appears the OP is only off by $237 billion on the interest. nt
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:03 AM
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7. The Sacred Cow of "defense" requires a lot of feeding. K&R
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 02:36 AM
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37. Precisely
and disgusting.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:04 AM
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8. What's worse...
I want these wars OVER, NOW. I wish there was a way I could include a letter in my taxes saying "you are only allowed to use this money for community programs and healthcare" or something similar.
What would happen if we were allowed to check off boxes that said where our money went?
I can BET that war would be losing it's funding pretty darm quick!

*sigh* ...but the money machine of the Industrial War Complex is 'too big to fail'...isn't it?
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ChadwickHenryWard Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 10:35 PM
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31. That would be democracy.
The wealthy and powerful fear democracy because they know that if given the choice we would support almost none of what is done in our name. We would demand the money be used to benefit us, the American people, and not the business interests that are the controlling factor in most government decisions.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 02:18 AM
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36. The Tea-Liban
doesn't want their tax dollars used for health care. They say they don't want to be forced to buy something the government tells them they have to buy. Yet they have no objection to buying the tools to kill and maim other people and destroy their homes.
Our attempts at world domination through military force will end in bankruptcy. The same model has failed throughout history. The Soviet Union provides the latest ezample. The road to empire is paved with failed republics.
If we used our resources for developing alternatives to the internal combustion engine and alternative energy sources we could make the world a better place. When the large corporations see a way to monopolize alternative energy the government will spend our tax dollars to enrich the already moneyed elites. Like it or not, we have a fascist government influenced by corporate money.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:13 AM
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9. Reduce military spending by 90%

If there wasn't serious money to be made this would not be.

Always, follow the money.

k&r
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:13 AM
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10. And next to none of that actually "defends" America.
It's all about corporate aggression. Tens of thousands die for it around the world. Your tax dollars at work.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:59 AM
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14. +1000...hence the need to create 'retaliatory' scenarios
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buszwell Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:25 AM
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12. Whats funny is that most is not going to wars
Most of our military budget just goes to maintaining or Fleets and military basses, the actual wars are a lot less. The problem is anyone who tries to reduce the budget is going to be cut to pieces by Republicans for being anti american (while the same republicans bitch about the cost of a health care plan that actually saves money)
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:05 PM
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17. The Repuke asshats on that I.O.U.S.A. show the other night tried to say it
was only 10-15% of the budget. I KNEW they were lying!
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 02:13 PM
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20. Something doesn't add up here.
Even including debt servicing and health care (which I'm not sure I'd exactly call "military" spending) that comes in at about 1.5 billion out of a federal budget of 3.8 billion. That's not 53%. Not that it isn't an egregious amount of money, but I'm not understanding where they came up with that figure.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 02:42 PM
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21. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Echo In Light.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 03:34 PM
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22. Kicking for clarification. nt
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:49 PM
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23. Bumpity-bump
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:51 PM
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24. I posted about this issue 6 weeks ago. It got unrecommended so fast, it sank to the
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 04:52 PM by mistertrickster
bottom of the pile and never came up for air.

Thanks for getting the TRUTH out.

The military is the BIGGEST SINGLE EXPENDITURE that the gov't spends money on. You can't "cut the budget" in any significant way without cutting the military.

Clinton understood this.

A big K and R.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:56 PM
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25. Here's how another site calculates it . . . .
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 04:59 PM by mistertrickster
http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm



On edit: from the website--

"Current military” includes Dept. of Defense ($653 billion), the military portion from other departments ($150 billion), and an additional $162 billion to supplement the Budget’s misleading and vast underestimate of only $38 billion for the “war on terror.” “Past military” represents veterans’ benefits plus 80% of the interest on the debt.*

These figures are from an analysis of detailed tables in the “Analytical Perspectives” book of the Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2009. The figures are federal funds, which do not include trust funds — such as Social Security — that are raised and spent separately from income taxes. What you pay (or don’t pay) by April 15, 2008, goes to the federal funds portion of the budget. The government practice of combining trust and federal funds began during the Vietnam War, thus making the human needs portion of the budget seem larger and the military portion smaller.

*Analysts differ on how much of the debt stems from the military; other groups estimate 50% to 60%. We use 80% because we believe if there had been no military spending most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated. For further explanation, please see box at bottom of page.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 05:10 PM
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26. Thanks for including that! It's frustrating when what you explained happens ...
Anytime I source anything from Cindy Sheehan, it usually tanks amidst the chorus of angry sounding posters, where as when someone else starts a Cindy thread, it'll receive praise high n wide. Who knows ...?
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 05:42 PM
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28. And yet you never hear the teabaggers bitch about that.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 09:02 PM
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30. k and r
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 10:36 PM
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32. knr
nauseating.
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change_notfinetuning Donating Member (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 10:46 PM
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33. Yes, to the military, as the OP says. Not to national defense. Call people
on it when they call it the "defense budget".

May the next war be a war on military spending.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 01:38 AM
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35. K&R
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 04:45 AM
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38. War profiteering and outsourcing our military to private contractors is killing us, and many others
It's absolutely sickening how much money we WASTE every fucking year on the pentagon and their death machines. :( :puke: :cry:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:49 AM
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39. K&R
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:53 AM
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40. The elephant in the room.
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WVRICK13 Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:20 AM
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41. The Cost Of Being A Military Power
is great on society. We use the term spartan to mean sparse and no frills. Life in Sparta was like this because they were dedicated to military might. Life is becoming like this in the US. The military grows stronger with more and more money and the citizens get by on less and less. The lesson of history shows us that all military powers collapse under the weight of military cost.
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 06:20 AM
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42. we should have a public option for foreign occupations
Those who want it pay for it.
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Florida Blue Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 07:38 AM
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43. It is cheaper to be a bad guy.
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Bosso 63 Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 07:50 AM
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44. I want a huge military, but a very small government

because I don't want to pay any taxes.
In addition, I don't want the government to give any rights to "bad' people, but they must protect all of my rights, both real and imagined.
And last, I would like more aircraft carrier groups to protect our freedoms.



http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/carriers.htm
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:10 AM
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45. Stop cheer leading those to join the military. Attack the military at every chance.
Show the pictures of the innocent dead. Show the pictures of the torture. Bring out into the public all the atrocities our side commits. Make known all those participants who return and commit suicide or kill their families or others. Protest the individual corporations that profit from the military machine. Show and tell others of the vets who got shit on ...homeless ...jobless ...depression etc. Expose the military government propaganda for what it is.

The bottom line is that we need to fight in these wars by fighting, protesting and demonstrating against the military and corporate war machines. This is a fight for our country. This is a fight for our future. If we continue to allow such huge resources to be thrown away we will end up like Russia or worse ...and that time isn't very far off.

Let the police take care of getting Osama and others ...that's what the CIA and FBI (and maybe HLS) are for. This war against terrorism should have been a police matter to begin with but we all went off with a knee jerk reaction to 911. We got all emotional and quit thinking. We should have been smart, held back, prepared and infiltrated for a few years and then snipe them out.

Osama and the terrorists are beating us because we are spending ourselves into bankruptcy. I'm not saying that we shouldn't spend money on protecting our country ...we should, but not at levels that so greatly surpass what other countries spend. If Russia spent 50 billion this year then isn't 100 billion enough for us to spend? If we are still so fucking worried about the Russians and their nukes then I think spending twice what they do is more than enough to do the job.

Hey you murdering war profiteering sociopaths ...get out of my country ...It's not your country anyway. It's my country and I care about people and I care about peace at any cost. I care about feeding and caring for the poor and homeless and the sick. I don't care about your fucking troops because "at this time" if you join the military "you are supporting the destruction of my country". It's long past time to turn our weapons into food ...and I mean food for us and the world. It's time to take care of our own.

I am soooo sick and tired of this waste of people and resources.

The enemy is not just the repukes ...it is us.

:rant:
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:17 AM
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46. The Pro-Life movement has forced legislation that no federal money is spent
on abortions. They have demanded that none of their tax money goes for a procedure they find immoral.
Those of us who feel war is immoral should have the same rights!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:35 AM
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47. 1+~
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 10:08 AM
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54. +1
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:48 PM
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56. +¹
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:39 AM
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48. We should go to D.C. for specifically this issue. Leave Iraq & Afghanistan out of it (for now).Let's
just demonstrate about budget BULLSHIT.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:55 AM
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49. happily my income is so small now
I get back more than what I put in. So, in effect, I'm draining money away from the war effort.

Hopefully that will help keep my karma cleaner. The silver lining in the cloud that is my life.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:57 AM
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50. Thanks, I guess. It doesn't make filling out tax forms any easier being reminded...
But thanks.

Where are the war tax resisters of today?

(And I DON'T mean "tea baggers")
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:09 AM
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51. considering the deficits that have been created by tax cuts
it's not really fair to include the interest in with military spending. Our National Debt went from 900 billion in 1980 to about 3.6 trillion in 1989 without any significant military action involved.

Second, thanks to the Obama tax credit, my income taxes this year were (-400). But it's not all Obama, since my taxes in 2008 were (-69) and in 2002 were (-68).

I also do not think it is fair to compare military spending throughout the world. Our soldiers are making $15 and hour plus benefits and the soldiers in China and North Korea are probably making less than $5 an hour.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:43 AM
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52. Oh but rest easy, none of your money went to those awful abortions.
Look god, we didn't kill anyone!
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:45 AM
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53. Some creative accounting going on here
"That figure includes the Pentagon budget request of $708 billion, plus an estimated $200 billion in supplemental funding, called "overseas contingency funding" in euphemistic White House-speak), to fund the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, some $40 billion or more in "black box" intelligence agency funding, $94 billion in non-DOD military spending, $100 billion in veterans benefits and health care spending, and $400 billion in interest on debt raised to pay for prior wars and the standing military.

The 2011 military budget, by the way, is the largest in history, not just in actual dollars, but in inflation adjusted dollars, exceeding even the spending in World War II, when the nation was on an all-out military footing.

Military spending in all its myriad forms works out to represent 53.3% of total US federal spending."


$100 billion in vertans benefits is hardly "money going to the military". The GI Bill was one of the best investments in americans this country ever made. And $400 billion for interest on the debed isn't just for "paying for prior wars", not by a long shot. They get maybe 20% of that bill, the rest is for unpaid tax cuts for the wealthy amongst other sources. We are spending way too much on our military, and far too much on our wars, but we don't need this kind of creative accounting to make that case.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 11:54 AM
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55. Bump
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