I guess it's time for Democratic business owners to start firing Republican employees

[krispos42]

"I have no customers because people YOU voted for have destroyed discretionary spending for 95% of my potential customers. Sorry, elections have consequences."

"I have no customers because people you voted for have gutted unions, and now people don't have good paying jobes that gives them money in their pockets and time to spend it. Sorry, elections have consequences."

"I have no customers because people you voted for sent skilled wealth-creating manufacturing jobs to communist nuclear-armed China and replaced them with unskilled wealth-shuffling retail jobs that had sharply cut discretionary spending by the non-wealthy. Sorry, elections have consequences."

"I have no customers because people you voted for have raised taxes and fees on the people that are my customers, reducing their ability to buy my stuff. Sorry, elections have consequences."

"I have no customers because people you voted for lowered taxes on the wealthy that don't buy any more of my stuff than any other average joe on the street. Giving them more money didn't translate into them buying more of my products or services. Sorry, elections have consequences."

"I have no customers because people you voted for deregulated the banking industry. Now I can't get a small business loan to expand my product line into the next Big Thing that's being marketed, and I'm being left in the dust with last year's Big Thing that ain't so big anymore. Sorry, elections have consequences."

"I have no customers because people you voted for deregulated the banking industry. Now with mortgage rates skyrocketing, people don't have any discretionary spending for my goods and services. Sorry, elections have consequences."

"I have no customers because people you voted for let banks make terrible loans they could sell to 'someone else'. Well, the loans have collapsed, the borrowers have been evicted and foreclosed, and they don't have any money to buy my goods and services. Sorry, elections have consequences."

"I have no customers because people you voted for killed any attempt at health care reform 17 years ago. People's rates are so high they don't have any money left to spend on my goods and services. Sorry, elections have consequences."

"I have no customers because people you voted for let monopolies form, so now they fix prices and pad corporate profits and executive paychecks and the only thing they innovate on is in more ways to squeeze people and lobby Congress. People are paying so much for non-competitive utilities and critical services that they don't have any money left to buy my products and services. Sorry, elections have consequences."

[DFW]

1. My friends who own that big auction company in Dallas don't do that

But then, they're just a buncha libbruls, what do they know? The hire and fire on the basis of ability,
work ethic and honesty. Nothing a company run by Republicans would know anything about, it would seem.

(They're just the third largest auction house in the world after Christie's and Sotheby's, that's all)

[krispos42]

2. Might be time to add a 4th catagory to the qualifications list then.

"Well, you see, I'm just protecting my business, and you are pro-business, right? Well, if I pay you and you donate to a Republican, well, that's just not good for my customer base when Republicans are in power."

Rank-and-file Repubs really don't seem to have the ability to understand the cause-and-effect of voting for Repubs and why their financial and social lives suck so badly.

[DFW]

8. Yes, but you have to be as petty as a Republican to do that

There are Republicans working for the firm, but neither of the co-CEOs are Republicans.

The Republicans there just collect their salaries and whine about the Democrats that pay them those salaries. What else is new?

[krispos42]

12. Maybe it's time to have a talk with them.

Hand them a list of things they are going to do to the Republican employees... wage cuts, mandatory unpaid overtime, benefit cuts, paid-holiday cuts, sick-time and vacation time cuts, etc.

Then ask them to justify the bosses NOT doing that. Ask these Repubs to make an argument against enacting the list that will increase the bosses' bottom line.


"Joe, talk me out of cutting your pay rate. I want to make more money so I can buy a bigger boat. Explain why I shouldn't cut your pay rate. After all, it's my business, right? And you support capitalism and profit, right? You support government-endorsed greed, right? So then, Joe, exactly why SHOULDN'T I implement this list right now?

"Keep in mind, Joe, that I'm being extraordinarily generous in even giving you an option to speak to me about this before I do it."

[smoogatz]

3. We prefer to lead by example.

Sometimes it seems like we employ half the damn town, one way or another, between the contractors, cleaning ladies, babysitters, auto mechanics, dry-cleaners, and the rest. Call me naive, but I believe that paying a fair wage and paying on time at the same time we keep the Obama stickers on the car (and the big Obama "Hope" poster framed on the wall) is the best advertisement for liberalism we can provide. For me, the idea of letting political spite play into hiring/firing decisions is pretty much the height of rightwing idiocy, and further evidence (if we needed any) of the utter intellectual and ethical bankruptcy of conservative politics in this country.

[shireen]

6. +1

there's no reason for us to be so vindictive and mean-spirited. Liberals believe that we're as strong as our weakest link. Right now, that 'weakest link' is the people who have been conned by Republicans (and don't know it).

We help them, we lead by example, and that will get them thinking ....

[krispos42]

7. I don't know... the Repubs are insulated from fact and cause-and-effect

Republicans have run this country into the ditch. But because Democrats have nominally been running things at least in part for the last 3 years (particularly when the damage spiked) they blame Democrats... and decided the solution is to go even further to the right.

Of course, the 25% of the country that is the authoritarian Teabagging base has 90% of the media on their side, so examples of "good" business practices are simply shoveled into the memory hole. Remember all those union "Reagancrats" that gleefully voted for their own self-destruction? How about the Medicare-and-Social-Security-recieving Teabaggers screaming about the evils of socialism and government-run health insurance? Or the low-income Teabaggers that got a tax cut... and outraged that Obama "raised their taxes"?

Those people, the authoritarian 25%, are completely not reality-based and therefore unreachable by any fact-based or reason-based argument or example, especially when only 10% of the media isn't loudly and constantly reinforcing their beliefs.

I don't know what else to do with them.

[smoogatz]

10. If it's about sending a message, then what message would you send?

That everything they've heard about teh evil liberal elites is true? I prefer to send the opposite message--that we as a progressive household actually live by our stated values and treat people fairly whether they agree with our politics or not. There's just no percentage in crapping on people, from where I sit. That's what wingnuts do.

[krispos42]

15. The 25%ers wouldn't get it at all

Regardless of what they are told or shown, it's not what they hear. They hear "Obama is a communist that wants to destroy the economy so he can put in a socialist state".

My current supervisor was on a different shift for 4 months, for training. Now he's back and in that time he's gone way off to the right because all he hears is this right-wing crap on the radio. I mean, he hates both political parties but winds up voting Repub, although he thinks the Teabaggers have a point. So I see this and hear this and argue this on a regular basis.

The 30% or so that is truly independent and have some reasoning ability but have had RW propoganda spat at them their entire lives... it might open their eyes. "Hey, look, the wealthy aren't going to buy 30 chest freezers just because they have the money to... they're going to buy one, just like the working people. So I guess giving them tax cuts won't stimulate the economy after all!!!"


Really, I just wanted to get this out there. Maybe it will make the front page and the Freepers can bitch about it, but maybe some independent will empthasize and be enlightened.

If I owned a business I wouldn't do this... but I would sure fantasize about it!

[RKP5637]

4. Maybe it's time to regionalize the country... We have gone from a country that

used to somewhat work together for common goals to a country divided and I blame that squarely on the republicans and the divisional crap they spew.

IMO, the republican party has done more to undermine America than most anything I can think of right now... They have effectively managed to split and undermine the country.

And they want no effort to compromise and work together, they could not have made that more clear. They have taken the word United out of the United States. I find it both deplorable and dangerous, what the republican party has become...

[MadMaddie]

28. I agree with you

They do not want a successful country and they want to attack and plunder other countries for their resources. They want to rule the world with their chosen "religion" and all others are deemed inferior. (Why is that so familiar? Taliban?)

I say let them have their states and build a wall and let them suffer their own demise. Why should the rest of the country suffer from their ignorance? I believe they are becoming a danger to the nation....

[Xenotime]

5. Might be time to do that and more..

ideas?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

9. --->

[Xenotime]

11. I like it. Although I think Oklahoma would probably want to go with Texas.

[socialist_n_TN]

22. You're also going to have to divide Texas......................

into 2 or 3 countries. The Austin area is pretty liberal. Anyway, I think I read somewhere that if Texas left the Union, their "joining" charter said they would be separated into 5 countries/states.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

24. Mass migration would occur.

[krispos42]

27. I had an idea a couple of months ago...

...maybe something the Founders should have done... but basically it would limit the ratio of Representatives to Senators to 6:1. If a state gets 13 or more Representatives after any Census, then the state has to split into roughly equal new states so that no part has more than 12, and they have to do this by the next Census.

By my estimatio this would add 17 states to the Union immediatly. California breaks up into 5 states, Texas, New York, and Florida into 3, another half-dozen or so into 2. This would most likely keep empty states from having a stranglehold on the Senate, as we would have 134 Senators in total, all the new ones from populous areas.

[arcadian]

13. Is your Republican boss involved in a tax fraud scheme?

Report them here:

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=106778,00.html

[krispos42]

17. No, I don't think so. I'm just venting a little.

We need good examples of how this RW idealology effects business negatively, and that "oh, I just fired an Obama voter" story pissed me off.

[Fumesucker]

20. A relative of mine was managing a restaurant some years back..

The owner was skimming over a quarter million a year in cash sales straight into her pocket without paying any taxes on it, my relative called the IRS with plenty of paperwork to prove the fraud, the IRS could not possibly have cared less.

[arcadian]

23. Really? Damn

[orleans]

14. good point. n/t

[rhett o rick]

16. Dont think we want to start down that road. IMO most business owners are republicants. nm

[krispos42]

18. Most people are employed by small businesses...

...even though most of the economy flows through a few large businesses.

It might not be as bad as you think. :evilgrin:

[rhett o rick]

21. I hope you're right. nm

[MadMaddie]

29. That's reality but according to the RW it's the big businesses

that are the biggest employers.

[krispos42]

30. Yeah, I got that BS meme from my aforementioned supervisor

"Poor people don't create jobs", he said smugly.

"Oh really?" I said. "Rich people don't either unless there's demand... from non-rich people with money to spend! Besides, what about small-business loans?"


It didn't sink in, though... :-(

[KittyWampus]

19. Why, because some anonymous jerk on the internet claims he fired an Obama voting employee?

[krispos42]

25. Sure, why not? :-)

Discussion is only loosely related to real life, after all.

Can you admit that deep down inside some little mean part of you thought this was a great idea?

[laughingliberal]

26. Great points!

And we could have, probably, hired a part time worker by now if my husband's business hadn't tanked with the housing market due to the removal of regulations which would have prevented this whole mess!