Access to affordable medical treatment for all is up NEXT.

[mdmc]

Since we now have access to affordable health insurance, all we need to do now is fight for access to affordable medical treatment.
YES WE CAN AMERICA!

[Donnachaidh]

1. heh -- then you'll get doctors and hospitals screaming socialism!

After all, you can't mess with THEIR profit margins - what are you nuts? :sarcasm:

[ThomWV]

2. +1

[laughingliberal]

5. Hospitals have & will fight the Public Option with every fiber of their being

Doctors are a mixed bag. AMA (the chamber of commerce type doctors) would not be likely to be on board. But they only represent 19% of the doctors in this country. Many doctors would favor a single payer system or a public option. Look at PNHP.

[mdmc]

8. I guess it will be up to the treatment providers

as someone who is fully insured yet unable to access affordable medical treatment I understand that the trick is finding good treatment providers that want to help people more then they want to profit..

[laughingliberal]

19. A few of those around. Not as many as there once were, though. nt

[Donnachaidh]

20. wasn't it the hospitals that made a $155 Billion deal with Obama?

This was the 2nd backroom deal?

Sooo, it won't be just the hospitals fighting it. Deals were struck - it's going to be a progressive against the rest battle, I guess.

[damntexdem]

9. So what? They enjoy screaming 'socialism.'

And we're used to being screamed at.

[laughingliberal]

3. This fight is far from over.

We have a few who voted for the bill and vowed to keep working to bring more real reform into the system. Sanders in the Senate, for sure. Kucinich and probably most of the progressive caucus in the House would be on board.

Perhaps the liberals among us could make it clear their support in the upcoming elections is contingent on candidates who will keep working for progressive measures in the bill.

[mdmc]

11. I am ready to fight!

In NYS we have both senators and gov up for election this year..

[laughingliberal]

16. That works!

Our governor and Senator Reid are up this year here. Unfortunately, the governor, a Republican, will likely be defeated by a Republican in his primary. The Democrat running is Reid's son and I'm not happy with his chances. Reid will likely go down to a Republican.

But I can still hammer on ones outside the district. There is still the fact we can donate to any campaigns. I think Grayson's example of standing up for liberal values and raising a ton of money and kicking butt even in his conservative district.

[Oregone]

4. How can you do that and keep private profits firmly in the game?

[mdmc]

6. they can't

I really believe that this hcr bill was set up to fail to create access to affordable medical treatment.. It offers "for profit insurance" that only allows for access to medical treatment IF the insured person can afford the co-payments, deductibles, and other out of pocket expenses.

[Oregone]

12. Well, they aren't going to like that

:)


Good look taking a "step" into that direction in this atmosphere. Youll have to go it alone

[kestrel91316]

15. That may yet be how we get where we're going. But rest assured -

we ARE headed toward single payer, if for no other reason than that the insured cannot continue to fund ever-increasing corporate profits by the medical insurers.

[Oregone]

18. I doubt thats the direction

The opening salvo wouldn't have deemed such private profits, excesses and inefficiencies as permissible for the greater good if so. This reform wasn't hatched from the confines of a socialistic ideology, like Social Security and Medicare were. Much of it actually has to be dismantled for true egalitarian health care. In otherwords, there are some major new road blocks in that direction

[leftstreet]

7. We'll just, like, you know....um, regulate it, or something

er....

[damntexdem]

10. Remember that in the game, private profits are on the other team!

Now, let's fight for our team to win!

[Oregone]

13. Funny, because the reform was really structure to preserve capitalism in health insurance

And rather make it work in a more benevolent way with technocratic adjustments. I don't think the big picture that was painted yesterday has private industry on the other team.

[laughingliberal]

17. +1 nt

[kestrel91316]

14. Profits by "investors" have no place in medical care delivery.

The only people profiting from the delivery of medical services should be the people actually delivering the services. You know, physicians, nurses, ALL ancillary medical professionals, AND nonprofessional hospital staffs, right down to the janitors.

Corporate cream skimmers need to be cut out of the deal altogether.

I know, I'm such a COMMIE!!!!!