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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:19 AM
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Politics Daily: Were Those Iraqi Elections Really Worth The Price?
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/03/15/were-those-iraqi-elections-worth-the-price

Jill Lawrence
Columnist/ Politics Daily

Were Those Iraqi Elections Really Worth the Price?
POSTED: 03/15/10

My eyes didn't get all dewy when Iraqis held their parliamentary elections. Others were moved by inspirational scenes, thrilled that we had bestowed the gift of democracy on a nation that seems, at last, to be taking to it. I found myself trying to remember exactly where "democracy" was on the evolving list of rationales the Bush administration used to justify the war (#3? #4?), and entertaining a series of dark thoughts about the 4,400 lives and $711 billion it's taken us to get this far.

I admit it, I'm still angry. I know it's imperative that we look to the future, but the past is hard to forget. Especially when it keeps cropping up, with all its missteps and tragedies, in books and movies. The March 7 election itself was bracketed by the release of Karl Rove's memoir, in which he says the war probably would not have been waged had it been known that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction -- and "Green Zone," a film in which a U.S. soldier searches in vain for WMDs based on faulty, manipulated intelligence reports. Truth makes pretty good fiction, it turns out.

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Yet everything in Iraq is relative. Six in 10 people in the ABC survey said they could "obtain basic household goods," meaning 40 percent couldn't – terrible, but good compared to what ABC polling director Gary Langer called "the dark days of 2007." Only 38 percent said they had reliable electricity – but that was up from 12 percent in 2008. Only about four in 10 said they had access to medical care and clean water – far below 2005 levels.

There's no question more Iraqis now favor democracy – 64 percent in the poll last year, 21 points higher than in 2007. And 84 percent rated security in their own area positively, nearly double the level in August 2007. Still, more than half reported at least one violent incident "in their area" – sniper fire, car bomb, fighting – in the previous six months. And it goes on at levels that we would consider shocking in our country. On Iraqi Election Day this month, there were 136 attacks and at least 37 killed. "I've never met an Iraqi who hadn't had somebody in their immediate family killed, injured or kidnapped" since the 2003 invasion, says Rachel Schneller, a Middle East expert at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Another sobering trend confirmed by the poll: Iraq is becoming more segregated...

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The government is seen as so corrupt that in 2008, Iraq ranked 178 out of 180 nations in a public corruption report card issued by Transparency International...

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Among the many things I can't get past – the lives, the money, the distraction from Afghanistan and Pakistan, the regional instability we've fueled, the uncertainties of the future -- is the oxymoronic nature of what we've done. Democracy by its very definition should be organic, nurtured and fought for by people who want it -- not imposed by sometimes stunningly incompetent Americans.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:23 AM
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1. It took far, far more than 4,400 lives... it took tens of thousands at the very least, if not
hundreds of thousands.

We should be so proud. :(
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:25 AM
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2. She uses the 10,000 Iraqi dead figure in her column.
The lowball number.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:11 AM
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3. Iraq is a Theocracy, written into their Constitution
Their Constitution states Islamic Law must be followed at all times and Islam is the "Official" Religion of Iraq. Just because a little voting is allowed does not make it a Democracy. People voted for their leaders under Saddam as well. Every community voted for their own community leaders without any real interference from Saddam and Iraq was the most Westernized nation in the Arab world. That is no longer the case. Women are way worse off now than they were under Saddam. Women are half the population, and the very great majority of them are not at all happy with their current lot in life. The USA should be so very damn proud of ourselves.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:17 AM
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4. No.
K & R
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robinblue Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:21 AM
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5. No, I do not think so. If they had wanted democracy, they would
have gotten there on their own accord--yes, it would have taken longer.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:24 AM
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6. why isnt anyone writing that this was a fcking WAR CRIME????
every day that goes by this WAR CRIME OCCUPATION is legitimized..now the meme is we brought democracy??? that was the latest meme by the Bush crowd when the WMD propaganda didnt work anymore

for christs sake, why isnt anyone investigating this whole thing???? geezus christ what a bunch of LIES and CRIMES shoved under the rug

and I totally think the Obama admin and the dems are covering their own asses in this so they dont get accused of the same damned thing
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