These 31 Members of the Progressive Caucus...

[berni_mccoy]

These 31 Members of the Progressive Caucus did not vote Yes on the resolution to withdraw from Afghanistan:

Ed Pastor (AZ-4, Phoenix)
Michael Honda (CA-15, San Jose)
Henry Waxman (CA-30, Los Angeles) - Chairman, House Energy and Commerce Committee
Xavier Becerra (CA-31, Los Angeles)
Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34, Los Angeles)
Rosa DeLauro (CT-3, New Haven)
Corrine Brown (FL-3, Jacksonville)
Hank Johnson (GA-4, Lithonia)
Neil Abercrombie (HI-1, Honolulu)
Mazie Hirono (HI-2, Honolulu)
Bobby Rush (IL-1, Chicago)
Phil Hare (IL-17, Rock Island)
André Carson (IN-7, Indianapolis)
Dave Loebsack (IA-2, Cedar Rapids)
Elijah Cummings (MD-7, Baltimore)
Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (MI-13, Detroit)
*John Conyers (MI-14, Detroit) - Chairman, House Judiciary Committee
Bennie Thompson (MS-2, Bolton) - Chairman, House Homeland Security Committee
Frank Pallone (NJ-06)
Ben R. Luján (NM-3, Santa Fe)
John Hall (NY-19, Dover Plains)
Maurice Hinchey (NY-22, Saugerties)
Louise Slaughter (NY-28, Rochester) - Chairwoman, House Rules Committee
Mel Watt (NC-12, Charlotte)
Marcy Kaptur (OH-9, Toledo)
Marcia Fudge (OH-11, Warrensville Heights)
Earl Blumenauer (OR-3, Portland)
Chaka Fattah (PA-2, Philadelphia)
Steve Cohen (TN-9, Memphis)
Jim Moran (VA-8, Alexandria)
Gwen Moore (WI-4, Milwaukee)

Are they warmongers? Maybe this issue isn't so black and white as some people would make it out to be. They constitute about 40% of the Progressive caucus.

* - did not vote

[Ken Burch]

1. So this is another "Escalation CAN SO BE PROGRESSIVE" thread?

:eyes:

There's no difference between us being there and the British being there in the 19th Century.

[berni_mccoy]

3. Natural response to the "HERE ARE THE 365 WARMONGERS!" threads.

[Oregone]

4. Precisely. This is why progressives work so hard

It isn't for health care or more fair tax code for the working class. Escalation is just totally awesome. Jobs for the poor, good movies on TV, and there is no better way we could use the money.

Hell, if the exploits are successful, we can suck the land's resources dry to pay for welfare (that progressive)

Oh, war. Its so cool when its US that gets to call the shots

[laughingliberal]

6. +1000 nt

[bigwillq]

2. Thanks for posting.

Very upset with my US Rep, DeLauro. Her office will be hearing from me. :mad:

[laughingliberal]

5. Yes. Good to have a list. nt

[cali]

7. Thankfully, mine did. and yes to me the issue is pretty black and white

just what the fuck are we accomplishing there?

Thank you Peter Welch for standing up for progressive values.

[berni_mccoy]

9. Have you read "Three Cups of Tea"?

It's actually required reading for all military commanders in Afghanistan.

[cali]

10. yes. love that book. and?

[berni_mccoy]

14. Did you know that the author is supportive of the military effort in Afghanistan?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34238313/ns/us_news-giving/

Mortenson is someone the military's top brass listens to — and has often consulted with. "Three Cups of Tea" has become required reading for U.S. commanders and troops deploying to Afghanistan, making Mortenson a valued but unofficial adviser to the Pentagon. Mortenson's follow-up book, "Stones into Schools: Promoting Peace with Books, Not Bombs," was released Monday.

'I now think the military gets it'
In an interview, Mortenson, a former U.S. Army medic and mountain climber from Bozeman, Mont., retracted earlier remarks that the U.S. Army were all “laptop warriors … who don’t have a clue what was going on locally, on the ground.” Now, he says, “despite a steep learning curve on the part of the U.S. military, I now think the military gets it.”

Since April, Mortenson has facilitated more than 35 meetings in Afghanistan between local shura, or tribal leaders, and U.S. military commanders, including Gens. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, and David Petraeus, the head of U.S. Central Command. In those meetings, he says, more than 200 shura from dozens of provinces in Afghanistan conveyed that they want less military might and more brainpower from Americans in their push to rebuild after years of conflict. “They want us to know that it’s not just about fighting the Taliban but also about relationship-building with Afghan civilians and helping the Afghanis build schools and the infrastructure that they want and need.”

This is a direct result of Obama being Commander and Chief.

[cali]

16. look, I admire Mortenson but I disagree profoundly with him

Karzai is corrupt, things in Afghanistan are dismal. We've been there for nearly 10 years. That's long enough.

[berni_mccoy]

19. Fair enough.

[cali]

8. It makes my heart heavy to see that list.

[Ardent15]

11. I don't care if they're a member of the Kumbayah Caucus

There's no excuse for voting Nay on Kucinicn's resolution.

[Cant trust em]

12. Too much of the thinking around here surrounds trying to put someone into a little box.

You're either a progressive or a centrist dem.
You're either a warmonger or a peacenik.
Blah Blah Blah.

[Better Believe It]

13. And you think voting to keep U.S. troops in harms way is wonderful and progressive?

You should have also listed the members who voted in support of the the U.S. troops by bringing them home.

[berni_mccoy]

15. I love it when people make up shit and put it in your mouth. Mmmmm mmmm.

[Ken Burch]

18. Well...when you start a thread like this and your tone

is like "well, I guess we all know that this REALLY means", you've got to expect that people will make assumptions about your position.

In other words, if you've got something to say, say it. Don't play the "you're all guessing wrong" game.

BTW...in 1964, Eugene McCarthy AND George McGovern voted for the Gulf of Tonkin amendment. That doesn't mean that THAT war was progressive or that their later antiwar positions were illegitimate.

[berni_mccoy]

20. LOL... you're funny. Doesn't change the fact that the responder is making shit up.

[Better Believe It]

21. DU'ers haven't stopped you from clearly stating your position on Afghanistan. So speak up!

Do you support the continuation of U.S. led war in Afghanistan or do you think all of our troops should be brought home?

Did you support the House anti-war withdrawl resolution or did you oppose it?

I'm listening.

[Better Believe It]

23. I'm still waiting and listening. Tell us your opinion!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. I'm sure they all have ready excuses for being pro-war.

"The Fascists will shoot you.
The conservatives will applaud the Fascists.
The moderates will watch the executions on TV.
The Liberals will cry over your grave and feel guilty for turning you in to the Fascists."

SDS saying.

[yurbud]

22. cowardice

[berni_mccoy]

24. reality

[yurbud]

25. of oil & gas company contributions?

[berni_mccoy]

26. Hope you got the facts to back up that accusation.

All 31 members who voted against it are paid for by the Oil companies? I'd love to see this.