If we can't pass true "Reform" split the bill and pass the regulatory components

[Go2Peace]

Why is this not being considered? If the bill has become less than it should be and has components that will entrench the corporate (failed) system. And further, those components are not wanted by the majority. Then pass the components that are truly "HCR", which are mostly the regulations and anti-monopoly provisions.

Why aren't we given that choice? Why are we being setup to accept a sever ly corporatist bill with a shorter term outlook.

I agree we need to get our population some relief! But there is a BETTER way, even in this political climate.

Then continue the "fight" in other bills. That may take time and be difficult to do for years. But in the interim we have not completely sold out the problem and entrenched an system that will further abuse us in the future.

This is a POLITICAL SOLUTION. It is NOT the only viable solution. And it is not the best solution we have, even under the current conditions. Why is everyone proclaiming it is?

[sandnsea]

1. Without the subsidies

most of the 30 million who are uninsured will remain uninsured.

[Fumesucker]

3. And even with the damn subsidies a lot of them still won't have the money for deductibles..

And copays..

I see this as helping the middle to upper middle and the poorest of the poor, lower middle and upper poor are still gonna go without health care even though they have "insurance"..

[sandnsea]

4. Most doctors will see you

as long as you have that magic little insurance card. The policies also offer free check-ups and preventive care. It's just not right to pretend it won't make any difference. It makes all the difference and anybody with an insurance card knows it.

[Fumesucker]

6. Every doctor I've been to wants a copay..

I've fought the damn insurance companies and changed insurance enough times to have a damn good idea of what goes down.

I think this is going to end up being a disaster..

[sandnsea]

7. Never been turned away for lack of a co-pay

I have been turned away for lack of insurance. I'm 52 years old. I've got a damn good idea of what goes down too. You aren't the only one who has had numerous insurance policies over the years.

[truedelphi]

8. Oh but at least the lower middle and the upper middle can rest easy knowing that they

Are subsidizing the damn rich through this bill.

First, by continuing to help support the CEO's at the insurance groups. And second, by paying for insurance they cannot afford to use, and thus guaranteeing that those who use the insurance will have a most delightful time of it.

Like Obama has said over the last few weeks, the CEO's at the insurance groups are providing valuable services to the rest of us. Think of all the paperwork that they generate on our behalf!

[Go2Peace]

9. Yep, we just reinforce a system that will eventually need to be changed

I still don't understand why it has to be this bill, and why there has never been an attempt to split out the regulation and just pass it, rather than filling it with other crap that just further entrenches the system.


The corporate health mafia is threatening to burn down our business if we don't pay up, so instead of going after them with clearly supportable regulation (law), we pay them off. And this is supposed to fix the situation?

[ibegurpard]

2. I could get behind this

Seriously.
I'm being told that I should accept this codification of our current system on faith of the regulations...why not just pass the regulations?

[laughingliberal]

5. Well, the reason we aren't doing that is...

we are only be allowed to put any regulations in the bill cause we're handing 30 million of our citizens over to the slaugh...I mean private insurance companies. In return for that, they have allowed their pets a breed of Canine Bleu in the Senate to write a couple of weak, loophole riddled regulations into the bill. No new victi...I mean customers, no new regs.

[Go2Peace]

10. my point exactly. There are other options not being offerred.

That are both humane and make major reform on the system. But it would not be seen as "Grand", at least not in the beginning. So it would not fit as well with potential for useful electioneering? Although, I suspect it might actually be very powerful if implimented properly.