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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:52 PM
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We’re Going to Get Medieval on Your Ass, America
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 12:49 AM by 20score
At least as far as the thought process goes.

For years people have been saying that the denial of climate change science is akin to the denial of evolution. Not that they are tied to together in any classical sense, just in the way that undesirable facts are pushed aside and critical thinking takes a back seat to just being critical. Now they are being tied together a real way, that could affect the thinking and science skills of a generation.

According to the New York Times:

Critics of the teaching of evolution in the nation’s classrooms are gaining ground in some states by linking the issue to global warming, arguing that dissenting views on both scientific subjects should be taught in public schools.


Fundamentalists and corporatists have more than being politically right-of-center in common; both groups are also extremely tenacious. Every time creationism is shot down as religion masquerading as science, the religious right repackages it under an assumed name, and in less offensive wrappings. “It’s just Intelligent Design, it has nothing to do with any ‘particular’ religion.” Of course when it’s unwrapped, it’s still the Bible. And the corporatists that deny the science of climate change like to use a favorite of the fundamentalists – equal time. Whether a person is talking about global warming or creationism, equal time boils down to this: “We don’t like what science says about this, so we put forth that science doesn’t work…At least in this case.” So mountains of evidence are ignored, peer reviewed studies are tossed aside and the entire scientific method is forgotten in order to push a predetermined conclusion. The opposite of science in the name of sound science.

The advocates of torture use the same type of rationalizing that the fundamentalists and the corporatists use to come up with their desired results. (Hence the overlap in beliefs.) It’s also the same type of thinking that allowed for a 100% conviction rate of witches in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, albeit to a much worse degree. Considering where we are now as a country, this attack on reality coming from multiple quarters does not bode well for the future of our country.

Glenn Beck, as other demagogues have done before him, has capitalized on the ignorance and prejudices of his audience. He repeats ludicrous assertions about the Constitution and inverts the meaning of words, like “progressive,” knowing full well these people will not do the simple task of opening a dictionary, or the Constitution for that matter, that will prove him wrong. In reality, early progressives ended child labor, gave us safe food and fought for women to have a vote. In Beck’s twisted world, progressives started the ovens in Nazi Germany. He paints Hitler and fascism, the most right-wing person and ideology, respectively, of the modern age, as leftist. After he gets done disemboweling history and reversing the meaning of words, real history and real definitions have as much in common with his versions of reality as the “God of Love” did to the medieval God that demanded people be burned at the stake to save their souls. By enshrining this type of uncritical thought into a type of pseudoscience, taught in schools, we are guaranteeing that other counties will surpass us academically - and quickly.

In the past, even resent past, people used this type of thinking to rationalize their prejudices against other races. (Going to ignore the racists of today for this, because they don’t count as sentient beings.) The same non-thought that goes into bigotry goes into throwing out undesirable science. I am not implying that the outcomes are equal, only that the process is the same. The end result is known, and no amount of facts will change that outcome. But there are those today that use the excuse of religion to separate us from one another. They claim that sexuality is a choice, and maybe for them it is, but for most of us, it’s not. They ignore science, common sense and personal observation in order to hold on to the disgusting proposition that some are less than others.

We need real science and critical thinking taught in schools, regardless of how popular or unpopular the conclusions of science are. Until we can think critically and embrace reality, no matter how unpleasant it is for us, we will continue to have a bigoted, pro-pollution, pro-torture, superstitious segment of society. And that can’t be good.

Edit for link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/science/earth/04climate.html

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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:07 AM
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1. Going to?
Hell, that bunch always has been medieval.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:10 AM
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2. Yep, we are regressing, and that goes for the "left" too.
Will it become another "Dark age" period? I hope not, but it sure seems to be the potential.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:59 AM
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4. I think it's worse on the Left sometimes.
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 01:00 AM by Codeine
Seems like people around here are almost desperate to believe in anything woowoo-ish as long as it's not "standard", as though crazy-ass beliefs about earthquake weather, alt-med, and chemtrails are integral parts of their progressive bona-fides.

Or maybe it just pisses me off more when it's my people who buy that shit; I dunno.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:08 AM
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5. When I thought about this post on the way home I was going to include the left.
But I'm saving that for another post.
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:45 AM
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3. Aaah, yes, the good old days...
complete with kings, feudal lords, serfs, peasants, superstitions, the black plague and the annual bath.

What's not to love?

Science be damned, I want my emotions and personal preferences to make my decisions for me.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:55 AM
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6. That about sums it up.
K & R
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:35 PM
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13. The lice must have been a nuisance though.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:03 AM
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7. They can control an uneducated society which is the ultimate rethuglican goal.
Get ready for the return of sweatshops, no benefits, no job security, no Social Security and the icing on the cake-Debtors Prisons! :argh:
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:06 PM
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10. Fear that too.
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:00 AM
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8. Give a kick for you John! This is very good!
Can't believe people un rec'd it!
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:47 AM
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9. Thanks much!
You rock!
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punkin87 Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:27 PM
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11. Right on!!!
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:16 PM
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12. Thanks!
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:00 PM
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14. I think people can believe what they want, no matter how
woo or dumb or whatever. But when facts contradict those beliefs or those things taken on faith, then those beliefs need to change. I don't understand how such an obvious concept as this is so hard to grasp by some people.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:06 PM
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15. Should be easy to grasp, but....
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:11 PM
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16. Posted this yesterday in the E/E forum
Sequel Time, Al
Truth for inconvenient dummies
by Bill Cope

Last week, we discussed why people on the right have such a difficult time comprehending what's going on in the world. At the time, I put much of the blame on the Internet, which I regard as culpable of disseminating at least as much crap as reliable information. If you doubt what I say, Google up "chupacabra" or "Obama + antichrist," and you will soon realize how many people there are who seemingly have little else to do than shovel more meaningless bullshit onto endless piles of meaningless bullshit.

But with another week to think about it, I have come to the understanding that we can't blame every epidemic of conservative ignorance on the Internet. We must give some measure of credit to the right's natural propensity to always be on the slippery up-slope of the Bell curve. And as recent meteorological events have shown, there is no subject on which they are more decidedly slippery than the matter of Global Warming.

(Note to copy editor: I capitalize "Global Warming" as I believe everyone who is serious about it should, to give the situation the gravitas it deserves. In fact, as the threat deepens, we should consider capitalizing all the letters and adding a series of exclamation points, as in "GLOBAL WARMING!!!" It may not help, but it can't hurt.)

Of course, I speak of the cackling from high-profile fowl--the most concentrated collection being in the Fox News coop--who acted like they had invented the concept of irony when much of the East Coast was hit by record snow storms. In the minds of Beck and Hannity--if "minds" is the proper term when applied to those gentlemen--20 inches of white stuff in Washington, D.C., proved that Al Gore is a fraud. You know ... as though they understood what Gore was saying in the first place.

http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/sequel-time-al/Content?oid=1507531
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