****Healthcare summit thread 3***

[LSK]

They are back

Follow along here:

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_rm.aspx

http://www.c-span.org/Topics/Health-Care-Insurance-Refo...

Thread 1 ->http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7792368&mesg_id=7792368

Thread 2 ->http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7793006&mesg_id=7793006

[LSK]

1. Enzi bringing up Medicare scare tactics

[POAS]

4. Bring up medicare...please....give the an

in to argue for Medicare for all.

[DevonRex]

2. Thanks for the new thread!! K&R nt

[gateley]

3. There have been two threads going -- here's the link to Clio's:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x197782

[LSK]

5. ok, I been in GD, maybe I will go over there

:hi:

[gateley]

8. I've been flipping back and forth! :-)

[AlinPA]

6. It seems like Enzi is going back over how "unfair" it has been, just complaining, not

offering anything new. Surprise though, he likes the exchanges idea and says they can be good if everyone's policy was included. Very brief, not rude.

[POAS]

7. Well compared to

how fair the Republicans were ....um....never mind!

[Bobbie Jo]

9. Kick

[Renew Deal]

10. Dave Camp is very serious

He deals with the issues without being overly partisan of overly obnoxious. That's fairly uncommon. He's coming off well.

[Schema Thing]

11. whoever this is, makes a stunning point

MLRs for the individual market are much lower than for large pools!

Think about that, MLRs are lower even though they have totally "picked-and-choosen" their customers!!




It's Jay Rockefeller

[Schema Thing]

12. Repub doctor makes sincere, earnest listening face as fellow puke speaks

I was wrong about these lovable beast.

[Bobbie Jo]

13. Take cover...here comes the batshit.

[dixiegrrrrl]

14. So Obama explained how he was "dragged" into supporting mandates.

Conveniently forgetting that for the last 50 years, private insurance was affordable, paid for actual costs of treatment, even tho everyone in the country was NOT covered by insurance.
Now, he says, everyone HAS to be covered to make it affordable.

No one is addressing the costs of TREATMENT, of insurance OVERHEAD, of insurance PROFITS.
of prescriptions PROFITS.

[Bobbie Jo]

15. Anyone hear music in the background?

[hisownpetard]

18. Yeah, WTH is that??

[Bobbie Jo]

19. LOL....maybe they were trying to tell Joe to wrap it up.

[pinto]

16. Biden making the point about Medicare Advantage plans, now.

They were a stab at giving a role to the private sector *within* Medicare that didn't work.

Those are the "cuts to Medicare" Repubs are crowing about.

[POAS]

20. Cuts to wasteful programs that hurt Medicare.

[pinto]

23. And Obama is hammering the point.

:thumbsup:

[malaise]

17. Adding an excellent link

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35523266

[dashrif]

21. I heard

music it was like marching band music

[POAS]

22. I had the same hallucination!

[hisownpetard]

25. They should have played "Hail to the Chief." Obama is so incredibly well informed on every aspect

of this issue, no one can touch him.

I think he's brilliant.

[POAS]

31. Or "we've got trouble, right here in River City".

[pinto]

24. LOL. Obama's loving this.

[Bobbie Jo]

29. Grassley is so far out of his league its laughable.

oops wrong place... :)

[ThomWV]

26. What on earth is Grassley talking about?

[POAS]

28. Something about his Grassley roots!

[tallahasseedem]

30. He really

needs to chill out. He's going to keel over.

[Subdivisions]

27. Grassley (Updated):

Paul Blumenthal: Here's a great graphic of the former staffers of Sen. Chuck Grassley turned health care lobbyists: http://assets.sunlightfoundation.com/site/live/images/vis/grassley.html

Bill Allison: Here's the CBO report Grassley is describing:

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc10868/12-23-Trust_Fund_Accounting.pdf


Thursday February 25, 2010 3:12 Bill Allison
3:12 RyanSibley: Blue Cross/Blue Shield is Grassley's top career contributor, Amgen is number two. http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00001758&type=I


Thursday February 25, 2010 3:12 RyanSibley
3:12 LisaChiu: The Republican healthcare plan would increase taxes $27 billion according to the CBO.

Paul Blumenthal: Grassley has received $2,240,089 from the health sector over his career. Sixty-seven percent of that money has come from PACs.

Thursday February 25, 2010 3:11 Paul Blumenthal
3:10 Paul Blumenthal: Six of Grassley's top fifteen career donors are health industry companies or trade groups. Two are pharmaceutical companies and two are insurers.

Thursday February 25, 2010 3:10 Paul Blumenthal
3:10 Paul Blumenthal: Grassley used to support health care efforts back in 2008. Here's a good story on his switch to opposition: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1920209,00.html

http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/live/

Sen Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Top Industry Donors 2010

Health Professionals $314166 $86600 $227566
Insurance $242798 $44250 $198548
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $186250 $70050 $116200
Lobbyists $168946 $158446 $10500
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $163937 $70137 $93800

Data provided by OpenSecrets.org

[Subdivisions]

32. Conrad:

Paul Blumenthal: Kent Conrad received $1,392,663 over his career from the health sector. 82% of it came from PACs.

http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/live/


Sen Kent Conrad (D-ND)
Top Industry Donors 2010
Industry Total Indivs. PACS

Lawyers/Law Firms $592618 $474582 $118036
Securities & Investment $294825 $179725 $115100
Health Professionals $249533 $22533 $227000
Insurance $241675 $67875 $173800
Lobbyists $201792 $197292 $4500
Real Estate $167400 $84900 $82500
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $162700 $54450 $108250
Pro-Israel $150410 $78810 $71600
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $143930 $14680 $129250
Crop Production & Basic Processing $139975 $58275 $81700

Data provided by OpenSecrets.org

[Subdivisions]

33. Boner (Updated):

RyanSibley: The American Medical Association has given Boehner $69,400 throughout his career.

Anupama: Former Boehner staffer Terry Holt now lobbies for America's Health Insurance Plans; former political director Josh Mathis has lobbied for GlaxoSmithKline; former L.A. Tyson Redpath has been a lobbyist for several medical firms.

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/lobbyist.php?lname=Redpath%2C+Tyson&id=Y00000370130&year=a

LisaChiu: Boehner is the sponsor of the main GOP plan. Read it here: http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare

Anupama: Insurance companies and their employees have given more to Boehner than any other industry this cycle. Pharmaceutical companies make up his fourth-largest contributor.

http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/live/


Rep John Boehner (R-OH)
Top Industry Donors 2010
Industry Total Indivs. PACS

Insurance $92270 $31500 $60770
Electric Utilities $80550 $16050 $64500
Securities & Investment $67200 $18700 $48500
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $63450 $8450 $55000
Retired $59507 $59507 $0
Health Professionals $57050 $9550 $47500
TV/Movies/Music $48850 $17450 $31400
Lawyers/Law Firms $44150 $21550 $22600
Real Estate $44100 $23100 $21000
Oil & Gas $40250 $750 $39500

Data provided by OpenSecrets.org

[pinto]

34. Boehner's running for office. No more, no less.

[ThomWV]

35. Boner is demonstrating clearly that Grassley is not the dumbest fuck in Congress

[LSK]

36. Obama call his lame ass out please

[ThomWV]

37. Ahhh, he is doing so right now ...

[Subdivisions]

38. Compare the main Democratic and Republican plans side by side

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Graphics/2010/022310-Bill-comparison.aspx

[Subdivisions]

39. Cooper:

Paul Blumenthal: The Health sector is the second biggest contributor to Cooper's campaigns over his career ($917,414).

http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/live/


Rep Jim Cooper (D-TN)
Top Career Industry Donors
Industry Total

Lawyers/Law Firms $665303
Securities & Investment $512123
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $304853
Health Professionals $238032
Real Estate $219255
Retired $198806
Insurance $191009
Health Services/HMOs $143981
Misc Finance $132430
Misc Health $125398

Data provided by OpenSecrets.org

[annabanana]

40. McCain calling the praises of the Tarantino!

Kill Bill!

Like they never used reconciliation...

[proud patriot]

43. Republicans have used it 16 times since 1980

[ctaylors6]

41. I'm sorry, but this is a SNL skit writing itself

I'm so glad it's new this saturday night.

[Subdivisions]

44. Do we have Betty White and Abe Vigoda yet? n/t

[Subdivisions]

42. McCain:

Sen John McCain (R-AZ)
Top Career Individual Donors
Industry Total Indivs. PACS

Merrill Lynch $455020 $453395 $1625
Citigroup Inc $398366 $384366 $14000
AT&T Inc $354938 $279688 $75250
Goldman Sachs $337065 $329610 $7455
Morgan Stanley $316002 $311002 $5000
JPMorgan Chase & Co $272960 $257460 $15500
UBS AG $234693 $234693 $0
US Government $220254 $220254 $0
Credit Suisse Group $216953 $211953 $5000
Bank of America $210526 $193026 $17500

Data provided by OpenSecrets.org

[Subdivisions]

45. Durbin:

SarahDorsey: Sen. Durbin has received $3.6 million over the course of his career from lawyers and law firms - more than any other sector.

Paul Blumenthal: A top Durbin donor, Clifford Law Offices--# 3 for 2005-2010, #6, life time—is a law firm specializing in personal injury lawsuits. Such firms have lobbied against limits on awards in medical malpractice suits, which has been accommodated by Democrats.

Paul Blumenthal: Overall, the health care sector has given Durbin $1.4 million for his campaigns and leadership PAC over the course of his career.

http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/live/


Sen Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Top Career Individual Donors
Industry Total Indivs. PACS

Kirkland & Ellis $134606 $107391 $27215
Simmons Cooper LLC $94035 $94035 $0
United Airlines $77125 $44425 $32700
Chicago Board of Trade $76200 $28200 $48000
Corboy & Demetrio $70950 $70950 $0
Clifford Law Offices $70650 $70650 $0
State of Illinois $67935 $67935 $0
Mayer Brown LLP $66343 $66343 $0
AMR Corp $65157 $29000 $36157
Archer Daniels Midland $63600 $15100 $48500

Data provided by OpenSecrets.org

[Cass]

46. Durbin made a good point about the problem with limiting malpractice awards

when he brought up the case of the woman burned by the oxygen mask.

[annabanana]

47. Durbin is calling them on the carpet for their "tort reform" fixation.

Pointing out how little/b] the $$ amounts are, and that they are diminishing

[BattyDem]

48. We don't need "adequate health care coverage" ...

We need quality HEALTH CARE!!!

[Subdivisions]

49. Barrasso:

LisaChiu: In 2006, almost 14 percent of Barrasso's state of Wyoming was uninsured.

Paul Blumenthal: As mentioned earlier, Barrasso is one of three doctors present at the summit.

Thursday February 25, 2010 3:57 Paul Blumenthal
3:57 Paul Blumenthal: The health sector is the top contributor to Barrasso's campaigns over his career ($687,897).

Paul Blumenthal: 16% of Barrasso's reported assets are in the health care sector.

http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/live/


Sen John Barrasso (R-WY)
Top Career Individual Donors
Industry Total Indivs. PACS

Foundation Coal $20350 $10350 $10000
Bresnan Communications $19100 $19100 $0
Casper Orthopaedics $17400 $17400 $0
EnergySolutions Inc $17100 $4600 $12500
Blue Cross/Blue Shield $16000 $0 $16000
College of American Pathologists $16000 $0 $16000
Pfizer Inc $16000 $0 $16000
United Parcel Service $15499 $0 $15499
American Academy of Ophthalmology $15000 $0 $15000
National Assn of Convenience Stores $15000 $0 $15000

Data provided by OpenSecrets.org

[Vinca]

59. He mentioned that as an orthopedic surgeon he has provided

treatment without regard for ability to pay and has never asked about insurance. After my bullshit meter came back down to zero, I emailed and asked if he would be good enough to perform a hip replacement for me since I can't afford the cost and can't afford insurance.

[Subdivisions]

50. CBO: The GOP plan would reduce the nonelderly uninsured by 3 million,

leaving 52 million nonelderly uninsured.

http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10705/hr3962amendmentBoehner.pdf

[pinto]

51. Obama puts it on the table, fwiw. In regards health care savings accounts.

[pinto]

52. Waxman (D - CA) up now.

[Subdivisions]

53. Waxman:

RyanSibley: Health Professionals have been Waxman's career top donors with donations totaling $730,000

http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/live/


Rep Henry Waxman (D-CA)
Top Career Individual Donors
Industry Total Indivs. PACS

American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $87500 $0 $87500
American Assn for Justice $85500 $0 $85500
National Assn of Letter Carriers $80500 $0 $80500
American Hospital Assn $76000 $2000 $74000
Service Employees International Union $69500 $0 $69500
American Medical Assn $65000 $0 $65000
National Assn of Realtors $58000 $0 $58000
Walt Disney Co $56500 $3500 $53000
KidsPAC $55000 $0 $55000
United Auto Workers $55000 $0 $55000


Data provided by OpenSecrets.org

[annabanana]

54. being very matter-of-fact.... And you can see Boner & Mitch

squirming in their chairs...

[ThomWV]

55. Peter RosKam busy pissing in Obama's face

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

56. Why is Pres. Obama even bothering with these assclowns? They

clearly aren't interested in helping Americans.

[Subdivisions]

57. Roskam:

LisaChiu: 13.4 percent of Illinois residents or $1.7 million were uninsured in Roskam's home state of Illinois.

Thursday February 25, 2010 4:14 LisaChiu
4:14 LisaChiu: Peter Roskam's single largest contributor in his career was the Wheaton Eye Clinic at nearly $50,000.

Paul Blumenthal: Roskam's fourth largest career contributor is Health Professionals ($268,649).

http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/live/


Rep Peter Roskam (R-IL)
Top Career Individual Donors
Industry Total Indivs. PACS

Wheaton Eye Clinic $49727 $49727 $0
Camcraft Inc $49700 $49700 $0
Oil-Dri Corp of America $46915 $46915 $0
Exelon Corp $44700 $17200 $27500
Morey Corp $40400 $40400 $0
AT&T Inc $34500 $6000 $28500
Nicor Inc $31700 $13950 $17750
Airhart Construction $30900 $30900 $0
National Beer Wholesalers Assn $30000 $0 $30000
Operating Engineers Union $30000 $0 $30000

Data provided by OpenSecrets.org

[Subdivisions]

58. Dodd:

LisaChiu: Insurance companies were the third largest industry donors to Chris Dodd at $2.3 million throughout his career.

Thursday February 25, 2010 4:22 LisaChiu
4:21 RyanSibley: Sen. Dodd included a provision in the senate bill that would help the Univ. of Connecticut fund the hospital to replace John Dempsey Hospital. It would allocate $100 million to build the University hospital.

http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/live/


Sen Christopher Dodd (D-CT)
Top Career Individual Donors
Industry Total Indivs. PACS

Citigroup Inc $427694 $381694 $46000
United Technologies $383100 $347900 $35200
Bear Stearns $347350 $337350 $10000
American International Group $285238 $242618 $42620
Goldman Sachs $274466 $223466 $51000
Deloitte & Touche $273220 $235220 $38000
SAC Capital Partners $262800 $262800 $0
Royal Bank of Scotland $216700 $211700 $5000
Travelers Companies $211800 $201800 $10000
Morgan Stanley $211325 $180325 $31000

Data provided by OpenSecrets.org

[ThomWV]

60. Mitch McChinless makes up his own astonishing Poll numbers - truly astonishing

No one want's health care reform, no one at all.