A President and a Congress unwilling to pass a bill the people want

[ThomWV]

and unwilling to end a war being fought on 5 fronts that the people do not want.

What are we to make of this? What should be done?

[leftstreet]

1. Force politicians to compete in Mixed Martial Arts before we vote

:shrug:

[NightWatcher]

5. sweet, Herschel Walker for President

[leftstreet]

8. Visualize the campaign trail...

:beer:

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[Toasterlad]

21. Bonus! We Get Ten Presidents In One!

[leeroysphitz]

43. That wimp?

[Donnachaidh]

2. are there any pitchfork manufacturers in the US?

Place an order for one million and be sure Congress gets a copy of the PO. :evilgrin: :sarcasm:

[LiberalEsto]

6. Sorry, they've all moved to China

Can't find a decent domestic pitchfork any more.

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[mod mom]

53. and rumor has it they have high levels of cadium & lead.

[Mithreal]

54. Already got mine. Solid, heavy duty stainless steel. More ergonomic ones available too.

I am considering using it for more than gardening, peaceful purposes, of courses.

http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page.aspx?c=2&p=45712&cat=2,64944&ap=1

[NightWatcher]

3. dont worry, Progressive Apathy will result in a loss of the majority in Nov 2010 and loss of the WH

in 2012.
But it's cool, they'll blame it on us.

"What should be done?"
I'm working on getting ready for the upcoming global depression. Looking at some land out in the sticks, practicing on a few crops, reading up on raising chickens, goats...., cleaning my shotgun, and making sure that my pickup is in working order for the move.

I really wish I were kidding

[Xicano]

9. I am entertaining the idea of moving to Paris.

I wonder if they have any Mexican restaurants? :)

[glinda]

33. I am still seriously trying to talk husband into moving to Canada

[Warpy]

4. What will be done is throwing incumbents out of office.

Unfortunately, the Democrats will bear the brunt of the blame, since they allowed themselves to be held hostage to a few pouting conservatives instead of simply ramming real reform through months ago.

Obama squandered the same 2 year opportunity Clinton did and for the same damned reason, neither was willing to fight Congress in the manner that would have gotten a reform of a deadly, dangerous and unfair system through.

Democrats who were on the side of single payer, a public health insurance option, or expanded Medicare from the beginning should start doing damage control NOW, paying for ads in their districts along the lines of "don't blame me, this is what I tried to do."

What they'll do is go on in their haze of entitlement and be handed an ugly surprise on election day as even good Democrats are allowed to be defeated by a thoroughly demoralized voting public.

[stillwaiting]

29. I am now convinced that neither Obama nor Clinton ever wanted to fight for real reform.

If they never wanted it, they didn't fail (in their own eyes).

[Warpy]

31. No, both plans left for profit insurance in the catbird seat

and both plans were lousy and doomed to total failure. However, it might be the best we can get while Congress is lousy with conservatives in both parties.

My own plan involves supporting primary challengers to all Blue Dogs, New Democrats, DLCers, and other dead wood that really needs to be replaced by a real Democrat.

[Captain Hilts]

7. We had the strongest progressive mandate since 1932 and blew it.

FDR: What a sad state we're in!
ER: Oh, dear...

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[polpilot]

17. Use the power or lose it. Obama & Dems selected the latter.

[dysfunctional press]

22. we didn't 'blow it', we were sodomized by those we selected.

[grahamhgreen]

36. Obama blew it.

[mmonk]

10. They are in charge and the interests that pay them to be, not the people.

What should be done? I have no idea, the boat has sailed.

[Duer 157099]

11. It means "the people" (of the US) are not the ones they work for

period. It's clearer now than ever before.

[Craftsman]

12. Neither party thinks they work for he people.

Both take their cues from the moneyed interests.

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[timeforpeace]

23. You can say that again.

[Dulcinea]

34. We have a winner! *ding*ding*

If this health care debacle hasn't made that clear, nothing will. Money talks & everything else walks.

[Vincardog]

47. Bingo neither party works for people they all work for MONEY

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[timeforpeace]

24. And you did.

[Individualist]

16. DLC is in control

Pro-corporate, pro-MIC.

[Don Caballero]

20. Cannot blame our President for the HCR debacle.

It is up to Congress to get this done.

[ChicagoSuz219]

25. Thank you... another grown-up... :-) n/t

[Occulus]

49. Don was thankfully banned as a disruptor.

I had him pegged from day one.

I would gently suggest you rethink your allies.

[anonymous171]

26. Then he cannot take credit for it either (but he will anyways.)

[ThomWV]

27. I blame it on the Party and he is the head of the Party

[grahamhgreen]

37. He disallowed single-payer advocates into the discussions, he created this by his failure to lead.

[freddie mertz]

39. Nonsense. He has his own plan up now.

And he is the one who pulled the plug on the Senate effort to pass the PO.

Obama has always been part of the problem.

[kenny blankenship]

28. Well if you don't like how DEMOCRACY works, just move back to the land of George III

Good luck getting any health care over there, Citizen, unless maybe you can prove your consanguinity to the Windsors. Hope you have some titled, landowning relatives on that side, or I think you'll find your old rheumatism goes untreated. We fought a revolution, if you remember, to be rid of that sort of caste system and its Kings and their favorite sport of warfare; and we justly rid ourselves of its jealous monopolizing of rights and privileges for the few. And from that day to this we've staked our honor on saying that we've always stood ready to do it again. That's why we in America have a system today that works for the little guy!

[ThomWV]

38. In case you haven't noticed they have Single Payer in the land of King George III

[freddie mertz]

40. I used to live there. It's not so bad.

Thatcher and Blair screwed a lot of things up.

But the food has improved, and the HC is excellent.

I know, I've used it. In 2005-6.

[kenny blankenship]

42. That was my point

[Ghost in the Machine]

30. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends it is the Right of the People

N CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

[freddie mertz]

41. I think it's time again. nt.

[Romulox]

45. But justice Scalia says that only the Founders had a right to secede!

:puke:

[girl gone mad]

32. Vote for change.

For real this time.

:shrug:

[DisgustedInMN]

35. What ..

.. SHOULD be done is fairly simple. The President and the Congress SHOULD act in the best interests of We the People over those of the bloodsucking parasite corporations.

What actually WILL happen is something much less pleasant. There WILL be a revolution in the Nation, hopefully one without violence. Sadly, it's looking more like it may instead be a bloody and destructive one, with each passing day and every betrayal of We the People by those that SHOULD be our strongest advocates. Desperate people do desperate things.

[Romulox]

44. We don't have a democracy (and save the "Constitutional Republic" crap for the next tea party, k?)

[Echo In Light]

46. Phony rep democracy w/too many dupes refusing to acknowledge the painfully obvious

[Kablooie]

48. When you say "the people want" you sound like a Republican.

They frame all their proposals as being "what the people want".

For both sides, it's not what the people want.

It's only what SOME of the people want.

That kind of black and white rigid thinking is what we should avoid, in my opinion.

[bvar22]

50. What this means is...

Nader was right.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[cascadiance]

51. Thunderdome them all!

[Awesome80s]

52. Can someone tell me exctly what's the deal on abortion on new Obama's bill?

I hear all these prolifers screaming their heads off in blogs and radio commentaries that
Obama's bill will fund all elective abortion....what's the REAL ACTUAL deal on this? i
am so confused that can't find an answer anywhere,,,thanks!