“The White House obviously has a loser mentality"

[kpete]

Robert Gibbs: Public Option Via Reconciliation Can’t Pass Congress
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/gibbs-public-option-via-reconciliation-cant-pass-congress/

Update: Adam Green, spokesman for the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which has been leading the charge, emails over a sharp response:

“The White House obviously has a loser mentality — but America rallies around winners. Polls show that in state after state, voters hate the Senate bill and overwhelmingly want a public option, even if passed with zero Republican votes. More than 50 Senate Democrats and 218 House Democrats were willing to vote for the public option before, and the only way to lose in reconciliation is if losers are leading the fight. That’s why Democrats in Congress should ignore the White House and follow those like Chuck Schumer and Robert Menendez who know that the public option is a political and policy winner.”

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/gibbs-public-option-via-reconciliation-cant-pass-congress/

[AllentownJake]

1. Yes We Can

:rofl:

[Autumn]

3. But ,Will We?

That's the big question.

[marshall]

45. Who knew back then that it should have been "Yes, We Will"

Big difference in hindsight.

[Bobbieo]

4. I am so confused about the health care bills and doubt if I am the .only one who is lost, here.

i get so many e-mails from petitioners that I have no idea as to what is going on so I am deleting all of them.

[bvar22]

9. All by design, my pretty.

All by design.

The Bait & Switch con works better when the mark is confused.

"I did not run on a Public Option."

[Individualist]

6. but no, I won't

[saracat]

17. But we won't, or is it No, we can't?

[elehhhhna]

32. Guess We Can't !

[Cha]

2. That's a fucking crock.

[EFerrari]

8. The part about Schumer is a crock. They just take turns playing Good Cop

so the blame gets diluted a bit.

[bbgrunt]

15. right--just like liebermensch is leading the charge against DADT right now.

[EFerrari]

21. Right. That's was insulting. n/t

[blm]

18. yep...the Schumer part was a dead giveaway. Green is so far up Schumer's butt it tarnishes his

analysis. Green is a stenographer for Schumer's office staff.

If Schumer was a leader on public option then why did Bennett and three others start the letter push? Schumer didn't even sign it until he had 'Praise Schumer as public option's savior' articles ready to download FOUR DAYS LATER.

Schumer WANTS healthcare bill to fail to ensure Reid's loss in November because Schumer wants to be majority leader.

[EFerrari]

22. Is that what it is?

What Schumer does works better slightly out of the spotlight?

[saracat]

19. So Gibbs, speaking for the president, got it wrong? Is that what you are saying?

Thats a stretch even for you!:rofl:

[Individualist]

5. delete - wrong place

[WeDidIt]

7. Another to add to the list of so-called progressives who are nothing but douchenozzles

Fuck Adam Green.

[zipplewrath]

10. Why do you say "so called"?

His analysis is spot on. Everyone is wondering what happened to "yes we can".

[WeDidIt]

11. BEcause he is NOT a progressive. He is a PINO

And his analysis is bullshit.

[no limit]

14. You don't think it's your responsibility to explain how it's bullshit?

Or are you training to be a republican?

[zipplewrath]

16. Can't find any evidence of that

That organization seems to be fairly mainstream progressivism. You got an axe to grind for a particular reason? It is not an uncommon view that the PO has suffered because of a lack of leadership on the part of the White House.

[AllentownJake]

20. ;-)

Bad day huh?

[WeDidIt]

23. Not at all

Any day I get to point out the PINOs is a good day!

:evilgrin:

[AllentownJake]

24. Well, the consumer confidence numbers says there is about to be a whole lot of new dissent

So you will have a very good week

:evilgrin:

[Name removed]

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[Mithreal]

60. +1

[Marr]

33. Jesus, talk about projection.

Tell me, what's more likely: that all the liberals who criticize Obama are "PINO"s, or that Obama is?

[WeDidIt]

37. Easy one

Those criticizing Obama are the PINOs.

[Marr]

41. At least you admit it.

I remember people around here pretty universally mocked Freepers for ignoring facts in their kneejerk defense of GW Bush. It was all about supporting the *man* rather than honestly appraising his actions.

Funny how things suddenly become acceptable.

[Javaman]

64. Meh...

wedidit, is nothing more than a cheerleader wearing blinders.

massive koolader if I ever saw one. that poster believes Obama walks on water.

There is no reasoning.

[jgraz]

66. Rarely do I put someone on ignore, but it is nice to not have to look at that bullshit

WeDidIt doesn't even have entertainment value anymore. It's just sad. Not worth wasting your time, IMHO.

[leveymg]

57. Add a T

Progressive In Name Only. Add a T and that makes him a PINTO. Gotta love all the creative acronymns around here.

[liberation]

58. Wait, so Obama is a real progressive now? Talk about projection

LOL

[Skidmore]

13. +1

[flyarm]

42. +10,000!!!

[Marr]

28. *edit*

[bvar22]

12. K&R...back UP to +4.

Obama's Repackaging of the Baucus Senate Plan:

[Dr.Phool]

36. Where's the lipstick?

[Marr]

26. The White House has a Wall Street mentality.

The don't give a shit what you want, except in terms of the political theater they have to perform.

[DailyGrind51]

27. With the mandate that Obama received in '08, he could have achieved the Party platform.

[EFerrari]

31. We won't see that kind of political capital again for a long, long time. n/t

[closeupready]

29. Here's where I think the administration is miscalculating -

They seem to think that their opposition in 2012 will be as lightweight as McCain/Palin, and we just don't know that yet.

That is, they seem to feel that on HCR, the progressive base is expendable, and that Republicans won't have any strong candidate in 2012 to vote for who also appeals to independents. So that on balance, the votes will be there for a second term.

But what happens if they are wrong, and the GOP comes up with another Ronald Reagan? No, I can't imagine who that would be, but isn't this a risky game to play?

[seeinfweggos]

30. who the fuck is adam green? and who the fuck cares what he thinks? nt

[jgraz]

39. He's someone who does more than sit on his ass and post on a message board

So, it's not surprising you've never heard of him.

[seeinfweggos]

48. he sounds like a fucking loser to me.

and as far as doing more than type shit on a message board, i've seen very little evidence of it. he types up and issues a press release in the name of his unknown group. wow.

[jgraz]

50. Your colossal ignorance of a person or subject is not proof of anything

..other than your colossal ignorance.

The sooner you learn that, the better off you'll be.

[seeinfweggos]

52. not knowing who dipshit adam green is puts me in the company of

just about everyone. thanks for bringing him to my attention though and getting wound up about my comments. you know this dipstick? does this turd have a real job or does he just crank out press releases for his little group, living off the donation of the naive?

[jgraz]

53. Being proud of your ignorance puts you in the company of

Sarah Palin and the Teabaggers. Enjoy the party.

[seeinfweggos]

54. i said thanks for bring little adam green the fucking loser to my attention

what else do you want? and i'm assuming by your response he does pay his bills by fleecing his very small flock of fellow ineffectual losers.

[jgraz]

55. Ahahahahah! I just read your profile

Hobby: observation and acceptance

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[seeinfweggos]

59. based on imperical observation, adam green is a dipshit. i accept that.

later adam.

[jgraz]

65. If you're going to tout your powers of observation, you should probably learn to spell "empirical"

You should also learn what it means. Saying "empirical observation" is equivalent to saying "an observation I observed".

[Uncle Joe]

34. I just wish they would expand Medicare to include everyone and quit screwing around,

no fuss, no muss, the most logical, efficient, economical, fiscally responsible and moral choice by far.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[kpete]

35. The Democratic Party's deceitful game

This is what the Democratic Party does; it's who they are. They're willing to feign support for anything their voters want just as long as there's no chance that they can pass it.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/23/democrats/index.html

[PHIMG]

38. Schumer will be for public option up until it has the votes to pass and then will be against

He's the Senator from Wall Street, as big a sold out whore as there ever was. That's why DINO Gilibrand was hand selected to make him look liberal by comparison.

[western mass]

40. Wrong, they are WINNERS

The Obama administration been very successful at accomplishing everything they wanted to accomplish. Successful derailing of HCR is one of their biggest wins.

[DisgustedInMN]

43. Obama will get exactly what he wanted from the start.

A big fat giveaway to the bloodsucking parasite corporations.

A HUGE SUCCESS.

His and the Dems future however, will be exactly the opposite.

In fact..









... if there isn't a breakdown in society before Barack leaves office, it will surprise me.

[freddie mertz]

44. And THAT. folks, is something you can bank on.

Y'all get out and buy up that Insurance company stock!

A windfall is coming.

[lonestarnot]

46. When did he change parties? Before or after the exchange?

[DisgustedInMN]

49. I'm having ..

... difficulty seeing much real difference between Coke and Pepsi.

Pepsi tastes better, both they both are really crappy for your body.

[Echo In Light]

47. "Loser mentality?" No. It's a phony oppositional party fulfilling the role it was installed for.

[seeinfweggos]

63. so why are you a democrat? part of the conspiracy? or is it just the rest of us? nt

[Orsino]

51. America rallies around whatever "winners" the TV identifies.

And continues to do so in spite of physical evidence that these "winners" perpetuate losing strategies.

[bullwinkle428]

56. That schmuck Juan Williams was still pushing that "the public option

is something being pushed for only by the 'left-wing'" meme, this morning on NPR! :mad:

[fascisthunter]

61. It's all Been Theatre, disguised as a failed Effort

[elocs]

62. If McCain had won and Republicans had the majorities that Democrats now have

they would be steamrolling over the Democrats right now with no looking back, but laughing at the Democrats' crying.

If I didn't know better I would now be wishing we had a Democratic president who had better than small majorities in both houses of Congress so they could get things done.