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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 03:42 AM Original message |
ABC News expert recreates sudden acceleration without CPU error code *UPDATED w/Toyota response |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 03:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. See the video. The car overcame its breaks. Scary. nt |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 03:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It's one thing to read about it and another seeing how it happens. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 04:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The fancy, expensive Lexus is a death trap? |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 06:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Runaway Car kills CHP Officer and Family - San Diego 6 News Story (Sudden Acceleration) YouTube |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 06:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Has anybody started compiling a count? |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 06:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Toyota’s Acceleration Complaints Cite 34 Deaths |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. Yikes! |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 08:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. What happens if you turn the ignition off, ie pull out the key? nt |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I think you may lose control of the power steering. |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 08:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. If the power steering died, then it would steer like the cars/trucks of my youth, yes? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 08:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. CHPS car didn't have a key, push-button start/stop |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Oh - I am such a dinosaur that I forget that there are cars without keys now. |
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ReverendDeuce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Really? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. You doubt it. OK. Come back here in a couple of years and we'll discuss it. |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. So what is the procedure to use to stop the engine in an emergency? nt |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
52. Shift to neutral. Then push and hold button. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. For all intent and purposes power steering only comes into play at slow parking |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. If the engine stops turning and the pump is mechanically connected by a belt |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
59. Been there and done that and it's tougher to turn not one finger but turnable nonetheless |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
89. You're wrong. If the tires are rolling, the effort isn't much larger. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. nope. |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Is it worse than slamming into an embankment at 113 mph? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. what does one have to do with the other...? |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. No, originally I asked what would happen if a person in the middle of a crisis turned off the key |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. and that wasn't the post i read, or responded to...but rather, this one- |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I understood that you were likely focusing on that one sentence - it was |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
90. Funny: I tried it just last night, under several different circumstances and I can confirm... |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. You mean the ones where you had to wind the wheel around like you |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Thx - hadn't thought about anti-theft steering locks (never had them!). nt |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
39. Thats not really accurate. |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. dup. nt |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 03:24 PM Original message |
dup. nt |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Thx . Making me think that these Toyotas were just death traps once this acceleration started. nt |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
44. Not it will be much harder to steer. |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. About shifting to neutral? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I read that and commented on that thread. I find her claim unlikely. |
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DeschutesRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. I read a local news article about this - didn't know there was a thread about her |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
35. And power breaks. But it would be better to break without power breaks than |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. The other problem with losing power brakes is reserve cylinder. |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
6. Feb 24th House Oversight will hold a hearing titled: "Toyota Gas Pedals: Is the Public at Risk?" |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
8. there is at least one person in jail that shouldnt be due to this design flaw |
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Trekologer (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
11. There are a couple of points other than the obvious surface ones |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
88. I too have been skeptical of sudden acceleration claims. Because I was almost involved in one. |
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CanonRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
14. That's all the proof I need. |
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Last Stand (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
86. I have my own proof. |
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tech9413 (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
17. After 30+ years doing electronics repair |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. I'm baffled as to why Toyota techs didn't find this years ago. Software is easy to update. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
19. CR is going to have to go ahead and recommend the car from that video anyhow! K/R |
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rgbecker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
20. Reminds me of the F-16 or F-18 Fly by wire problems. |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
21. Fed. Highway Safety has no software or electrical engineers |
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rgbecker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. GOP will tell you government is too big...no need for anybody like that. |
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c brand (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
24. Who's paying Brian Ross for scaremongering? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. OH, so that's acceptable? It's OK with you these people died? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. You didn't answer, what, your tongue caught behind your eye tooth |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. How many were paralyzed? |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. It's spelled I-R-O-N-Y. |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
41. double post |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. How's your salary at Toyota? |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. How many deaths/injuries caused by this problem |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
54. The total jumped by 13 fatalities since Jan. 27, 2010 - where did you get 10 yrs. from? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
31. This whole issue... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
32. This video should be played at the House Commerce meeting! |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
36. Whoa. That sure indicates that Toyota has a major problem on it's hands. |
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liam_laddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
58. Somewhere in the owner's manual, |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
60. Kick! nt |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
61. ABC news has been doing excessive hit pieces on Toyota |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Really you call it biased and hit pieces? |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. When they spend 20 minutes on it |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I've spent HOURS on it am I biased or am I shining sunlight on a serious issue |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. You are biased... it's clear. |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Arent you projecting? n/t |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. And so are you, too bad |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #70 |
85. I was the ONLY advocate for unions in my MBA class |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. But you defend the japanese auto industry...... |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Yeah right |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. It was the morning show w/ Stephanopolis (sp) |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Actually it was a few Toyota dealers |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. They were excessive in their coverage |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. I'm waiting for your answer to my question up thread |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. ABC Investigating and reporting deadly faults is now considered "biased"? |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Spending excessive time on it is |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. So have the Republicans |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. So you don't care about the deaths that have happened and that ABC might be preventing? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I may be a shil for GM, but some of these Toyota shills are heartless |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Seriously. Why the hell wouldn't people want to KNOW |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Because they won't face facts, or are not who they claim they are..... |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. You nailed it. |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. What has Toyota done.... |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
63. Regarding the update, |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. They are basically saying that his testing is bogus and they used a different |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
92. Thanks. nt |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
84. Great video |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Billboard here in NJ (now taken down) |
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