Did Colbert cross the line tonight?

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Asking Ujjal Dosanjh, who is of Indian heritage, what his caste was seemed to offend the Vancouver South Liberal MP considerably.

Is this not like asking a black person whether they're a house n*gger or a field n*gger?

Any Indian-American DUers care to comment?

[paulsby]

1. why not indian -canadians?

wouldn't that be the first choice?

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3. Sure

I'll settle for whoever's awake now

[paulsby]

7. canadians are all passed out drunk

trying to dorwn their sorrow over their dismal loss in hockey!

canada lost to US???

you can't walk 50 ft in canada without risking getting struck by a stray hockey puck

[HeresyLives]

10. LOL no we're not.

Won gold in ice-dancing tonight. So there.

[paulsby]

14. please don't get me started on ice dancing again

we already had that thread.

[HeresyLives]

16. Hey...just because YOU can't skate....! LOL

I'm lousy at it myself, but I know what it takes to do that.

[paulsby]

18. supporting my body on the tip of my nose is hard too

doesn't make it a good sport

;p

[HeresyLives]

20. If you could do that, it would be a competition. LOL

Left to the purists, the Olympics would still be solely a track and field event, and boring as hell.

Any kind of physical competition is a sport.

[paulsby]

21. track and field is hardly boring

i say as a pretty decent track athlete and student of the hammer throw

the original olympics had a lot of sports including wrestling. it was hardly just track and field btw

citius altius fortius

[HeresyLives]

22. LOL yeah, it is.

And open to drug abuse as well.

You'd never survive ice dancing.

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25. I would definitely watch a mix of shotput and ice-dancing

Kinda like curling but with air

[HeresyLives]

26. Well, it has novelty value!

[paulsby]

29. drug use just makes the sports better

who fricken cares.

do you know the ancient greeks ate bull testicles (they weren't far off, it's just that the testosterone isn't orally bioavailable) to try to improve performance

the french used to be big on red wine and cocaine for cyclists.

[HeresyLives]

30. Oh you mean prairie oysters?

Yeah, they eat them here too.

[paulsby]

32. but the greeks ate them because they figured since the testicles

are essentially the source of virility (as eunuchs prove so well), that by eating the testes , they would absorb that man essence (insert homo-erotic joke here).

they didn;'t know what testosterone WAS, but they were on the right track

i accept that in any sport where , well in practically any sport, there are performancing enhancing drugs - like beta blockers for biathletes.

i thought it was hilarious years ago when all the marion jones worshippers thought no way could she be on AAS

get real. that was amazing

[HeresyLives]

34. Well those Greeks are no longer with us.

So their ideas on virility are moot.

Eunuchs btw can have sex, they just can't reproduce.

And testosterone isn't a requirement for sports.

[paulsby]

36. where to start

the ideas of dead people are not moot.

shakespeare is irrelevant ? socrates? nietzsche? aristotle? john kennedy?

i didn't say eunuchs couldn't have sex. try to keep up. i said that they helped prove that virility and testicles are closely related.

ask any man with hypogonadism about that. or an endocrinologists.

tesosterone is a requirement for almost any sport, at least to be even marginally competitive. iow, without it you will be weak as fuck, have very little ability to recover from training, etc.

you are aware that women have testosterone too right?

citius altius fortius

all three are enhanced by testosterone. hth


geez

[HeresyLives]

37. The ancient Greek civilization is long gone.

The Greece of today is an entirely different place.

And yeah, most of history is irrelevant today, beyond an interesting read.

People already knew about testicles....history didn't start with Greece ya know.

Are you aware everyone has estrogen?

Only way men survive.

[paulsby]

38. and yet, ancient greek civilization

has influenced us. and to some extent continues to do so.

heck, we just had a major motion picture come out based on greek mythology placed in a modern setting

history is not irrelvant. as those doomed to repeat it continually find out.

of course i am aware that everybody has estrogen. you are kidding right?

i have actually posted at least once or twice previously about aromatization

regardless, you don't acknowledge your errors (how typical)

for example, the testosterone isn't necessary for sports.

like i said, unless you want to be phenomenally terrible, it is.

without testosterone, you would be sick, sickly, fail to recover and improve from training, etc.

but you made a false statement and let's see if you have the integrity to admit it.

[HeresyLives]

40. Not unless yer into toga parties. LOL

Reading about the ancient Greeks isn't the same thing as being influenced by them. Hollywood fantasies aside. LOL

And we don't learn from history no matter how often we read it. We don't learn from anything in fact.

Homines quod volunt credunt.

No, testosterone isn't necessary for sports...just male boasting. Which is boring.

Try childbirth sometime.

Anyway, sit vis vobiscum... cuz I'm off to bed. Nite.

[paulsby]

41. your still wrong and you still can;'t admit it

both men and women have testosterone

do you have ANY idea how sickly people get with no testosterone?

have some intellectual honesty. it's not that difficult.

it's necessary for sports

and here's another hint, childbirth is undertaken by women. women HAVE TESTOSTERONE.

keerist. typical.

exceptional female athletes, especially in strength/speed/power sports (iow most of them) tend to on average have higher levels of testosterone than the average woman.

the reasons why are obvious.

[Kyril Enko]

44. You just can't wait for the synchronized swimming in London

Admet it!

[Kyril Enko]

45. You just can't wait for the synchronized swimming in London

Admet it!

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11. Ouch. Had not heard.

:cry: :patriot:

[HeresyLives]

12. Well then you can cry in your beer.

:rofl:

How's yer women's hockey team...I gather that's the biggie tomorrow night.

[HeresyLives]

2. Probably because he's a Sikh, and doesn't have a caste.

[Ken Burch]

6. Given that Dosanjh is Sikh, it would have been worse if Colbert had asked him

"What happened to your beard and turban?" or "Do you have trouble getting your ritual sword through airport security?"

[HeresyLives]

9. LOL especially since he's been Canadian since the 60s.

And gone thru the fights he has.

[Quantess]

4. Colbert wishes he crossed the line, I'm sure.

I don't know. I didn't see it.

But everyone knows he makes a living out of being an obnoxious smart ass.

[Ken Burch]

5. Well....it could be a fairly deep satire of RW "talking head" ignorance

That is exactly the kind of thing that Bill-O or Hannity would get wrong, after all...

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8. Possibly.

Something tells me not very many Indian-Americans found it funny at all.

[Stand and Fight]

13. Let me guess, you think Jonathan Swift's Modest Proposal is real, huh?

Good grief people... The Colbert Report is about poking fun at right-wing ideologues on television like Sean Hannity, Bill O'Rielly, Ann Coulter, etc... Crossed the line? Give me a break! :wtf:

[bamacrat]

15. No. It was funny but uncomfortable. It's his style.

Im sure as soon as the camera was off he let him in on his schtick.

[REP]

17. "I play a professional idiot. Have fun." - what Colbert tells his guests beforehand

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19. Dosanjh is a Sikh. It's like asking a Jew whether they go to Mass

Cobert just made a big boo boo. This is ignorance
on a GW Bush scale.

Also Dosanjh was subjected to death threats for financial
corruption in the Sikh religious community when he reported
that a Sikh credit union was a front for Sikh extremists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_extremism

Colbert should have had his research team to a backgrounder
before embarrassing a brave man like Dosanjh who has fought
religious extremism and intolerance all his life.

[w4rma]

23. He didn't make a "boo boo", that's his character that made a "boo boo".

Colbert knows exactly what he's doing.

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24. As long as Dosanjh knows exactly what he's doing nt

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28. Come on Dosanjh knows who Colbert is and he would have gone along with the gag.

But the gag was not funny. Asking Dosanjh what caste
he belongs to is like calling him a nigger in the
context of Sikh politics.

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31. I didn't think it was funny either when I saw Dosanjh's expression

he looked like he was seconds away from walking off.

[HeresyLives]

35. Dosanjh is probably unaware of Colbert or his 'schtick'.

Colbert isn't that well known.

[Ken Burch]

39. This was probably the closest Colbert will ever come

to replicating a Sacha Baron Cohen interview.

[Monk06]

27. Delete

[XOKCowboy]

33. Lighten up.. nt

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46. Finally, someone of Indian descent

Thanks for your input :thumbsup:

[rcrush]

42. LOL

[DainBramaged]

43. Wow should he apologize or quit? Quit and apologize? Oh he should just quit.

(cue mobs of Senior citizens protesting for no good reason, just for free cookies and milk). Then we can move on to the next target and make the Tee Vee machine Liberal free.........

[HEyHEY]

47. Some insight and stuff you may not know.....

Ujjal has had death threats, his office firebombed and even been jumped and beaten badly for his moderate views when it comes to the indo canadian community. What colbert should have realized is that he was interviewing a man who's done quite a bit for the rights of Indo-Canadians, both in Canada and within their own culture, to the point he's even bled for the cause.

If anything he acted so cautiously to the comment in fear of offending his own community. There are still rifts in the community to the point where it was feared violence would break out (again) a couple years back at a local temple where a constant power struggle has been going on.

I've actually interviewed Dosanjh myself, once privately and a few press scrum type deals. He's a fairly laid back guy and can take a joke.... but maybe could take it a little better in private?

Not everything is fun and games. And as much as I like Colbert he treaded into a territory he knows little about and his actions could have inflammed a situation he's never even heard of.