general betrayus is on cnn now looking like he has just seen a ghost

[madokie]

[TwilightGardener]

1. The Ghost of Reputation Past? The Ghost of Failure Future?

[madokie]

3. Yep

[BlooInBloo]

9. Or the ghost of Perjuring Present.

[Beausoleil]

10. The Ghost of Quagmire Present

"God help us, every one" - Tiny Chimp

[catmandu57]

22. This sounds like a Perry Mason episode

Too bad perry isn't around to bake his cookie.

[bahrbearian]

2. Wrote the Book huh? Where did he get the expertise?

[ShortnFiery]

4. Plus the Plan within "the book" requires tens of thousands more troops.

That little fact has been conveniently forgotten by those who wish to hold up this guy like he's our new "golden boy" General who's going to make everything "peachy-ginger." :eyes:

[styersc]

8. The"book" is his PhD dissertation at Princeton...

..."The American Military and the Lessons of Vietnam". Gen. Petraeus is a decent, honorable and patriotic man. He is doing his best in an impossible situations and the right wing nuts will certainly make him a scapegoat when this is over. He has said that if the "surge" is not effective by late summer, early fall, that it never will be. We should wait to see if they listen to him in the fall.

[ShortnFiery]

12. The nicest comment that I can make about General Petraeus is that "he's Overrated."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/01/the_overrated_general_petraeus.html

Further, General Peaches (Petraeus) was also the immediate superior of the truly honorable Col. Ted Westhusing at the time of his suicide. :wow:

Writing in his suicide note, "I am sullied -- no more," U.S. Colonel Ted Westhusing, father of three, chose death over a life of lies and corruption in occupied Iraq.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/49233/

[cliss]

15. That's my Verdict, as well.

General Petraeus.

The fact that he's a General means he's in the Pentagon. The Pentagon was Purged about 6 years ago by Don Rumsfailed. Anyone who disagreed with Don was given the Axe. Meaning = Only Sycophants get to stay.

The Pentagon was left with a whole cadre of mealy-mouthed, butt-kissing Sycophants. That's the reason why our military is in such disarray right now.

[TwilightGardener]

13. No, he's another Colin Powell- a guy who is being tapped for his

reputation and willingness to be used as a tool to advance the Chimp administration's goal of staying in Iraq NO MATTER what the American people want. He's already turned the "Hail Mary" Surge of 21,000 into an indefinite escalation and continues to request more troops and extend their tours. He is rapidly losing his credibility and has joined the political realm of the war debate by promising GOP Senators "results" by August, and by speaking to Congress before their vote, presumably to help sway the vote for the GOP. I have very little respect for him--he is there because he won't tell Chimpy the truth (yet), the way the other Generals have (and have since been moved out of their commands).

[WinkyDink]

17. "Effective"? As in...? NOTHING we do will stop the Sunni/Shia hatred.

Not a "surge"; not a wall; not even killing every Iraqi.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. "Gen. Petraeus is a decent, honorable and patriotic man."

No, he's not.

[blogslut]

5. That was weird

But I imagine is was also "supposed" to be aired right after the pretzeldent's bumbling news presser.

[Virginia Dare]

6. Was Cheney hiding behind the bushes again?...n/t

[wtmusic]

7. "If only we had unlimited money and unlimited soldiers

and the Iraqis wanted us there and the damn liberals supported our illegal war, we wouldn't be having these problems."

Reality is a bitch.

[stray cat]

11. Petraeus can't work miracles with what Bush has broken

However, there is no one I would rather see trying the put the pieces back together again. If he would have been in charge from the start maybe there would have been a chance. The incompetence belongs to our administration. The sacrifice belongs to our troops including General Petraeus and innocent Iraqi civilians. Those of us in the US including myself who sacrifice nothing don't have much to brag about either.

[madokie]

14. nothing personal but a chance at what

:shrug:
destroying a country and its citizens, I don't think so. This is/was a failure from before the installment of gwb*

[WinkyDink]

19. "from the start...would have been a chance..."? THIS WAS AN ILLEGAL INVASION.

A "chance" AT WHAT??

This is NOT a "war", any more than Poland was "at war with" Germany.

We bombed, we went, and we thought we'd conquer.

The Iraqis, SURPRISE, had and have and WILL ALWAYS HAVE other ideas.

Clearly, the Good General learned exactly NOTHING from VietNam, the main lesson's being: PEOPLE WILL DIE BEFORE ACCEPTING BEING CONQUERED, no matter WHAT "advantages" their conquerors would bring them.

[aquart]

21. No. No general could have changed the outcome.

We lost the war upon invasion. There was never any other possible outcome. It is total delusion to imagine that invading a non-belligerent nation would have a good outcome. The people know they were not at war until we came. Were we planning to kill the entire generation that knew our crime? Do we think people ever forgive that? WOULD YOU?

[ShortnFiery]

16. Live needs trust.

At about 1:15 in the afternoon, Westhusing was discovered in trailer 602A. Near his body was a note addressed to his commanders, Petraeus and Fil. Written in large, block letters, it read:


"Thanks for telling me it was a good day until I briefed you. -- You are only interested in your career and provide no support to your staff -- no msn support and you don't care. I cannot support a msn that leads to corruption, human right abuses and liars. I am sullied -- no more. I didn't volunteer to support corrupt, money grubbing contractors, nor work for commanders only interested in themselves. I came to serve honorably and feel dishonored. I trust no Iraqi. I cannot live this way. All my love to my family, my wife and my precious children. I love you and trust you only. Death before being dishonored any more. Trust is essential -- I don't know who trust anymore. Why serve when you cannot accomplish the mission, when you no longer believe in the cause, when your every effort and breath to succeed meets with lies, lack of support, and selfishness? No more. Reevaluate yourselves, cdrs . You are not what you think you are and I know it.

COL Ted Westhusing"
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The sooner the American People realize that General Petraus is merely the latest spring-butt "yes man" Military talking head for The Unitary Executive, the sooner we can extract our beloved children out of the ongoing CIVIL WAR in Iraq.

Have faith that those "little brown" people of Iraq are as nationalistic as the average American Citizen. Somehow ... someway, THEY must work this out for themselves. NOT US EMPIRE builder wannabes, but the true Iraqi Nationalists. They can do it if we would only get the hell out of their way. :thumbsup:

[Orsino]

20. A few thousand Banquos standing behind the camera, maybe. n/t