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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 11:55 PM
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Pissing off a propagandist
Suffice it to say that it wasn't how I'd planned to end my day.

I'd gone to a screening of a documentary about the immigration raids that took place here in December '06; I'd watched the thing happen from the parking lot of the food bank where I was working at the time. (Look for "Swift Justice", by Little Voice Productions of Denver, on PBS at some point in the near future). Revisiting that event was very emotional, there are families who are still reeling from it, it's all very ugly.

So, there I was, trying to rein in the emotions as I left that discussion and headed to another venue where a senate staffer was having 'office hours' to get questions and comments from constituents. This was a small gathering in a local coffee shop, and when I arrived there six very vocal opponents of health care reform and two of us who are clearly in favor of same.

Included in the 'anti' crowd was a guy who showed up at every town hall event, every venue where a senator or congressman was speaking; he likes to tell people that he's a reporter, he's a photographer by trade. He's a blogger whose website does the baggers and birthers proud. Now he's started his own newspaper, which he touts as a source of good, positive news. And because he has this little enterprise going he now refers to himself as a journalist. Uh huh. And I'm the Queen of England. Move over, Liz.

Anyway, there's the usual back and forth and it gets a bit loud. So the staffer notes that not everyone has had a chance to speak, yet, and that the shop will soon be closing. When this so-called journalist pipes up and insists on having his turn the staffer shut him down, saying that he'd been given ample opportunities over several months and that he had not yet demonstrated a willingness to be something other than insulting. He responds by making a show of turning up his tape recorder and spreading out his camera gear, all while the staffer is listening to my comments.

As we were leaving he stopped me and asked for an interview, and he clearly was not expecting me to laugh. Nor was he expecting my very loud "No!" He took a step back and said, "What? Why not?"

"Because," I said, "you lie." And when he challenged me on that I started a rundown on his website's flagrant lies about any elected Democrat. I gave him dates, events, what he said as opposed to the truth. When I nailed him on a particularly nasty lie about our congresswoman he tried to say he was talking about her staff; when I quoted his own words back at him, and added some of the racist stuff he'd said about Obama, he put his hands up and backed away.

He was not happy, especially since his buddies had heard this little exchange. His wife just sat down, refusing to look at anything but the floor. No doubt he'll put a very interesting spin on the encounter, should he decide to print it in his 'newspaper'. And we'll meet again, since he always shows up to record events and twist them to his sick perspective. But I'm thinking that he'll keep his distance from this old lady from now on.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 12:00 AM
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1. Way. To. Go.
Call them on their lies. It is the only way to get them to change.


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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:25 AM
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7. Truly. They have to be confronted. Preferably in such a way that it's somehow punitive.
There have to be some consequences for bad behavior like this - for spreading LIES!?! These people will keep doing it mainly because they're seldom called on it. Because they know they can get away with it. Think of what you might be tempted to do if you knew there was no price to pay. Corporations across the globe make a very nice profit year after year on that presumption alone. Well, it's about time we exact a price from these people for trying to pull this shit.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 12:08 AM
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2. You go, girl!
:applause: :patriot: :applause:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 12:19 AM
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3. K&R Awesome!
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :yourock:
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 01:08 AM
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4. You Should Check His Website
And see if he makes any reference at all to your encounter. And then post it here!!!

I'll bet you a shiny new dime that if he refers to it at all, it will be nothing more than a comment in passing about the "crazy liberal" who shouted lies at him (not mentioning, of course, that they were HIS lies) and was so unreasonable that he couldn't even complete a simple interview.
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:24 AM
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5. You did good!
Shame is a good rememdy for those without a conscience.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:28 AM
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6. Well done.
:yourock:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:22 AM
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8. Damn Skippy!
Well done! :toast:

Julie
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pruple Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:28 AM
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9. Good for you.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:46 AM
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10. Kick for kicking the liar
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:56 AM
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11. To many of these goobers, facts are an inconvenient detail
While dissemination of talking points is their real mission - and all they can do when called on the facts.
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hapkidogal Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:59 AM
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12. Awesome
WE all have to just shove the truth in their face since they can't accept it on their own. Yes we did and we won't quit:)
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:16 AM
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13. I laud your courage! It's not easy but confronting them must be done.
Recommended
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:41 AM
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14. I laud your excellent memory. Giving dates, etc. is a gift. Good on you!..n/t
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Danascot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:17 PM
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21. I'll second that
Your memory is remarkable. Much as I might like to, my memory would never be so facile.

Great job. You struck a blow for truth.
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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 10:18 AM
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15. Great work. This is what must happen more often...
Maybe if people do it in public, what is left of the so-called media will pick up on how to respond to these liars.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 10:37 AM
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16. They are not used to being confronted when they lie.
The media will not do it.
So well done and do it often if you can.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 10:56 AM
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17. madamesilverspurs
madamesilverspurs

Mam you got my respect;).. Never try to argue with a old lady when she is in the right of things.... I seldom do that back home either... Better say ok and let it be with it..

And I guess US need some old lady'es who can do what you did, and does

Diclotican
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 12:13 PM
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18. heheheheh hee hee hee
Dunno about anyone else, but this post made MY day. I'm surrounded by the sort of lying jackals you confronted, and a slap down (even just a report on a slapdown) on any of these idiots make me smile.

THANKS!
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BenjaminFranklin Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 12:20 PM
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19. you should post his website
No doubt there's a "feedback" feature. I would love to chime in on the little liar.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:45 PM
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20. Like vampires who wilt in sunlight
The light of the truth makes them melt back into a little brown puddle in the corner.
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:20 PM
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22. Candy Heart for you Madame!
For your courage and fighting spirit.

That's what you do with bullies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7695593
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:21 PM
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23. thank you
thank you for doing your homework and being courageous and speaking up.
thank you for exposing that nut case.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:26 PM
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24. Give 'em hell, Madame!
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 04:26 PM by Autonomy
K&R
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:52 PM
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25. AWESOME!!!!!!!
I can never remember specifics well enough to do what you did. I wish I could, because throwing their SHIT right back in their faces, verbatim, is THE best thing you can do!!

You ROCK !!!! :applause:
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 05:22 PM
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26. Woohoo!
:applause:
:toast:
:yourock:
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:07 PM
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27. Cool
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:17 PM
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28. Now this is the kind of courage I want to read more about here
Kudos!
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:35 PM
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29. Yeah - good going!
I admire your ability to recall facts under stress too.
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blaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 06:41 PM
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30. I love old ladies! :) n/t
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:17 PM
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31. i wish someone had had the video rolling
so i could watch it. good on you! these are my favorite DU stories.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 10:59 PM
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32. Woohoo! Kicking and Reccing -- I wish I'd been there to see it!
:toast:

Hekate
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:05 PM
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33. You did us proud!
Glad to know ya! :patriot:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:16 PM
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34. You truly earned your silver spurs on that one, madame!! Keep up the good work.
By the way, it sounds like the senate staffer had figured out the asshole's MO and wasn't going to put up with it anymore. Another good thing.

Rec.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:56 AM
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35. Recommended.
Thanks for engaging in civil discourse. Having your facts ready about his blatant and reckless propaganda.
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