So Now If you say something unpopular you must apologize publicly and go

[leftyladyfrommo]

straight to rehab? Is that how it works?

I probably think lots and lots of unpopular things. I know I believe in lots and lots of "absurd" notions.

So do I turn myself in? Then apologize for thinking the unthinkable. And then send myself to rehab wo shrinks can get my head on straight?

Personally I agree with what Kurt Vonnegut said. He said that everyone should just say what they think. And then people can form their own opinions.

This whole movement of crushing people who say what is not deemed popular really bothers me. I think we have gone way to far on this one. I would much rather know exactly what other people believe. Then I know what to expect and how to deal with it. If everyone feels like they have to hide what they think and feel then I am in the dark as to what is really going on with them. As for me - just say what you think. I would rather you did.

[Buzz Clik]

1. Okay. Whatever.

[leftyladyfrommo]

2. There you go. That is kind of my attitude. OK. Whatever. well said. n/t

[Buzz Clik]

3. Do I have to go to therapy now?

[leftyladyfrommo]

7. Only if you can get into one of the really swank ones.

With a pool and a french chef in the kitchen.

[Zywiec]

4. I agree with you

but everyone is so sensitive and fragile. Hearing particular words will forever scar them.

I was watching one of the MSM news channels earlier in the week where Jessie Jackson was speaking with someone. Here were all these adults say n-word, h-word, b-word without saying the actual word. I feel like everyone is treated like children these days. Spelling words instead of saying them. Reminds me of spelling in front of my kids when they were young so they wouldn't know what we were saying.

Grow up and say what you mean, and mean what you say.

[leftyladyfrommo]

8. Maybe it is just have the guts to say what you mean.

And then don't apologize.

I wish just one of these guys would stand up and not apologize. I'm sick of that stuff.

[stirlingsliver]

5. F-word, Yeah!

F-word, I guess you must be right.

S-word, I know that there are sometimes when I say the wrong things.

Sometimes I jujst don't give an s-word.

[treestar]

6. I totally agree, and there is nothing stupider than trying to shut people up

It is trying to avoid reality and has only bad consequences. It is like taking morphine and saying that since I have no pain, the underlying disease is gone, when it's still there.

It just drives things underground and lets the offending speaker feel persecuted.

The only remedy against speech we don't agree with is more speech. And the attempt to shut someone up comes from a fear that there is no good counterargument.

[MADem]

9. Yep--debate the issue down to the ground. That's the best disinfectant, often. NT

[leftyladyfrommo]

10. I'm kind of debated out right now.

Should rappers clean up their music? I don't care. I never listen to that stuff because it seems like every other word is motherf----. And I hate that word.

Is their work just a reflection of the larger community they live in? I don't know. It sure isn't like my the neighborhood I live in - and I live in a pretty poor area. But what do I know about it? Nothing.

Should the black community have a debate? Sure, if they feel like it.

As for me, I will listen to classical because that is what I like. And classical music actually started riots in the past. I think it was the "Rite of Spring" that had people all up in arms at one time. Seems impossible that it happened now. It was considered to be vulgar and primitive.

And look at all the literature that has been banned. Most of those works are considered classics now. Mark Twain seems so tame now. Catcher in the Rye is pretty tame, too. I just reread Catcher in the Rye - it is just so good. That guy just nailed teenaged angst. And what about Faulkner? His works are absolutely wonderful. But how were they regarded in 1932?

[Bluerthanblue]

12. why bother yourself about global warming either- or endangered

animals? Are you an emperor penguin?

Why fight against the f---ing war anyway? Are you in Iraq?

Why work to end hunger? you starving?
Why care about civil rights as long as you have your rights?
Why care about the minimum wage as long as you don't have to live on it?
Why care about health care if you have insurance?
Why seek justice?

Why defend the defenseless?

Why care about anything if it isn't ABOUT YOU?

.................??????


ok, now tell me you are joking-! I'll be the fool :silly:

blu

[Bluerthanblue]

11. I also agree with Kurt- BUT

what he said, and what I hear being said on this thread are two different things-

I honestly don't understand the "rehab" bit- Unless the speaker was really speaking crap because their usual "self-censors" were short circuited by drugs or alcohol. And even then, the apology only matters if the speaker honestly has come to a "different place" and regrets the damage to other people that their words have done.

It isn't about 'saying what isn't popular'- IMO-

It is about using words to hurt and damage other people. It is different than simply "saying what you think"- Kids, little kids do that all the time- with one fundamental difference. Most of what kids say "bluntly" is not said with the baggage of KNOWLEDGE that what they are saying could be seen as hurtful or done with malicious intent.

A kid who says:

"that lady is really fat"- is making an observation.
Until the societal garbage is added to their perspective that being "fat" is 'bad' they are not "judging" that lady as 'good' or 'bad'.
They are saying what they see.
But after the innocence is gone, and they understand that "fat" is seen as 'bad' making the choice to use this word, is making the choice to potentially hurt someone.

I for one, would welcome a world where people SLOW DOWN and think about what they say and do, and how our own individual actions aren't done "in a vacuum"- every action each one of us makes, even with things as 'simple' as words- have ripple effects. And we are 'accountable' whether we want to be or not.


(sorry, end of rant)

peace,
blu

[illinoisprogressive]

13. We cannot be absolute or we become like repukes.

Everyone should be able to think and see things as they want. If it is not popular or whatever, it is not right to jump.
We are becoming this absolute in thinking. Some sites are promoting this idea of only this one way of thinking or you are not democrats or progressive. BS! This set us up for alot of dumping on anyone with different thinking and that is opposite of what the democrats stand for. And makes us repukes in our thinking.
Free your thinking!