need some help, please-- a friend is telling me that on the news last night, there was a story about

[niyad]

a "green jobs stimulus", and how all the money is going to china to make wind turbines.

does anybody here know what this story is all about? any validity, because none of it is making any sense to me.

[NYC_SKP]

1. You might get some good replies if you ask in the DU energy and environment forum

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=115

"All the money" is, I'm sure, a stretch.

But if our manufacturing base can't keep up with demand (as is the case with solar modules) then the business goes to China.

I would support restrictions limiting how much stimulus money goes abroad.

[nickinSTL]

2. green jobs stimulus with all the money going to China?

sounds like bs to me.

Was this friend watching Fox News?

[Cerridwen]

3. I have this link for you.

I'll continue to google and let you know what I come up with.

http://www.jimgetten.com/2009/12/yes-virgina-stimulus-is-creating-jobs.html

a snip

Dr. Merrill Matthews of the Institute for Policy Innovation says yes, but for most Americans it’s a long commute.

One goal of President Obama’s stimulus bill was to create environmentally friendly “green jobs.”

And it’s done just that. The Washington Times reports that 11 U.S. wind farms have bought nearly 1,000 electricity-producing wind turbines, creating about 4,500 jobs, uh, oversees.

See, nearly 700 of those turbines were bought from China.

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Off to google some more.

[Luminous Animal]

4. Right here on DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7683110&mesg_id=7683110

[Cerridwen]

5. About Institute for Policy Innovation (IPI)

snip---------------

You don't have to wait until the next election to have your say and make a difference.

If you believe in lower taxes, fewer regulations, and a smaller, less-intrusive government, we hope you'll consider investing in the Institute for Policy Innovation (IPI). At IPI, we tirelessly work to promote solutions to policy problems that harness the strengths of individual choice, freedom and responsibility, but we need your help.

IPI is studiously non-partisan, but we have a definite philosophical opposition to Big Government solutions that are almost always worse than the problem. Today, the threat from Big Government is greater than ever, and our work is more important than ever.
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Non partisan my aunt Fanny!

[EFerrari]

7. Stink tanks.

lol

[Cerridwen]

10. Perfect!

:D

[Cerridwen]

6. Op eds at IPI by author - can you say newt gingrich?

Yeppers.

http://www.ipi.org/ipi/IPIPressReleases.nsf/23dfbb67b152cfdc86256c75007ee9e0?OpenView&Start=1&Count=30&Expand=3#3

[Cerridwen]

8. And the Washington Times *Editorial*

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/13/stimulus-creates-jobs-in-china/

snip--------------

Of the $1 billion in clean-energy stimulus money spent since the beginning of September, $850 million has gone to foreign wind companies. It doesn't take a bunch of experts at a hastily planned "jobs summit" to discover this isn't the way to bolster employment in America.

Indeed, the 11 U.S. wind farms that received stimulus money from the Treasury have imported 695 of the 982 wind turbines to be installed, creating 4,500 jobs overseas. That's far more overseas work than the stimulus money has created in the United States.

On Oct. 29, a joint venture of American and Chinese companies unveiled plans for a new $1.5 billion wind farm in West Texas consisting of 240 Chinese-made turbines. The project is seeking 30 percent of its funding in government stimulus dollars. At best, hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars will create a grand total of 30 permanent jobs. That's $15 million for each job if the project gets the expected level of federal funding.

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Washington Times is also a global warming denier and is catapulting the XX" of global warming poppycock.

[Cerridwen]

9. Based on my abbreviated googling, they're pissed the gov't is working

in concert with private and the private contractors are working with "furriners."

For a crowd that hates gov't, loves private, and thinks gov't should be privatized, sorry, my head hurts when I try to do that "logic."

Let me know if you need more.

:D

[Cleita]

11. A lot of green jobs are going overseas, not only to China but

India and Europe. The idea was to stimulate job growth here in the USA but our Congress didn't put that caveat in the bills so the manufacturing of a lot of these systems, like wind turbines and solar panels, is going overseas. I'm sorry I don't have any specific links. I did at one time and posted here to have the posts sink from lack of interest, but I'm sure some of them are still out there in Googleland. I don't know if you listen to progressive talk radio but it seems like people call in a couple of times a week with complaints that the jobs they expected through their local governments are being outsourced overseas when there is plenty of expertise locally that is going unused and unemployed. It's very sad.

[Mari333]

12. here you go

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/wind-power-equal-job-power/story?id=9759949

[pinto]

13. One source for data -

http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/home.aspx

[pinto]

14. Another source -

The economic-recovery bill includes green funding and drops nuclear and coal subsidies

http://www.grist.org/article/A-green-tinged-stimulus-bill/

[pinto]

15. See also -

National Governors Association – Center for Best Practices Updated: February 26, 2009

(For more information contact: Sue Gander at [e-mail] or 202.624.7740)

State Opportunities under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act: Energy and Green Jobs Programs

http://www.nga.org/Files/pdf/ARRAENERGYGREENJOBS.PDF

[OHdem10]

16. Often the President and some Legislators for that matter say

we do not want to have to buy these from China.
In other words, they want to get ours going.

[niyad]

17. my thanks to all of you for the valuable information. I knew I could count on DU'ers for the

correct information

[madamesilverspurs]

18. Well, there's this:

After a 14-month dry spell, an order for 33 wind turbines will boost American production of what was predominately a European market for Denmark-based Vestas. The company, which built its first American turbine manufacturing plant in Windsor in 2008, temporarily halted production at the plant in December to allow the company to retrain employees on new manufacturing technology. That halt in production was expected through this month, while all 500 employees were expected to keep their jobs. It's last U.S. order for turbines was in November 2008.

On Wednesday, the company announced it had received an order for 33 turbines to be built at the Granite Reliable Power Windpark in New Hampshire. Production of the blades, however, will not start until the physical site of the windpark has been properly prepared.

“With any new turbine site, they've got to do a lot of scoping and permitting, and they've got to get the foundation and prepare the site,” said Kevin Cory, director of people and culture of the Windsor manufacturing plant for Vestas. “When they get to where they're ready, we actually trigger manufacturing and shipping. Of course everyone will try to do that as quickly as they think is feasible.”

From www.greeleytrib.com 2-10-10 -- the Vestas plant is in Windsor, Colorado