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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 11:09 AM
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U.S. Attempts to Erase Haitian Nationhood
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 11:10 AM by maryf
Please read the article at link...tons of info

http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/us-attempts-erase-haitian-nationhood

U.S. Attempts to Erase Haitian Nationhood
by BAR executive editor Glen Ford
“The Haitian people ‘need democracy and self determination, said the U.S.-based Black is Back Coalition.”
Proud Haiti has been reduced to a de facto “protectorate” of the United States – a grotesque form of non-sovereignty in which the subjugated nation is “protected” by its worst enemy. Namibia under white-ruled South African administration comes to mind, although in Haiti’s case the United Nations does not even pretend to be on the side of the oppressed, acting instead as agent and enforcer for the superpower.
As Haiti writhes under the agony of hundreds of thousands dead, Bill Clinton picks through the bones in search of prime tourist spots and mango plantation sites. America’s most successful snake oil salesman is pleased to do the Haitian people’s thinking, planning and dreaming for them – and quite willing to speak for the afflicted country, as well. “This is an opportunity to reimagine the future for the Haitian people, to build what they want to become, not rebuild what they used to be,'' Clinton told the global oligarchs at the World Economic Forum <1> in Davos, Switzerland.
In one sweeping sentence, Clinton claimed a kind of sovereignty over the Haitian people’s very imaginations, assigning himself the right to filter what was good or bad about Haiti’s past, and what is permissible in the future. Haitians are no longer allowed to possess their own dreams and remembrances, which have apparently been placed in United Nations trusteeship, under control of UN special envoy to Haiti, Bill Clinton.
“MINUSTAH and the U.S. expeditionary force have conspired to starve out what’s left of Cite Soleil.”
As one of the world’s most shameless personalities, the former president is eminently qualified to represent both the UN and the U.S. armed missions in Haiti. The 9,000 troops and police of the UN Stabilization Force in Haiti (MINUSTAH) have for years waged war on the seaside shanty neighborhood of Cite Soleil, a political stronghold of exiled president Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Before the February, 2004, U.S.-backed coup, Cite Soleil was home to at least 300,000 desperately poor but politically organized people. Relentless MINUSTAH raids have drastically shrunk the slum’s population. By 2006, only 30 percent of residents <2> still remained in some sections of Cite Soleil, according to human rights workers.
Since the earthquake, MINUSTAH and the U.S. expeditionary force have conspired to starve out what’s left of Cite Soleil. Three weeks after the catastrophe, the United Nations World Food Program described Cite Soleil as “no-go, for security reasons.”
Have the people of Cite Soleil been condemned to death and dispersal because of their pro-Aristide politics – a trait they shared with at least 60 percent of the population the last time a count was permitted – or are they doomed by their choice seaside location? Either reason will do, or both. Haiti’s poor are condemned in advance, for existing where inconvenient.
<snip>
The Haitian people “need democracy and self determination,” said a statement by the U.S.-based Black is Back Coalition for Social Justice, Peace and Reparations, “not more military interventions by the U.S., which has sent more than 10,000 troops to subdue our people.” On February 20, the Black is Back Coalition will hold a National March and Rally to Defend Haiti <4>, in Miami, Florida. “Our people in Haiti must have reparations, not self serving charity from France and the U.S.”
BAR executive editor Glen Ford can be contacted at Glen.Ford@BlackAgendaReport.com <5>.
For more information on the March and Rally for Haiti, contact stpeteinpdum@yahoo.com <6>, call (727) 821-6620 or go to www.blackisbackcoalition.org <7>.
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 11:13 AM
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1. This is crap
This is an insult to the thousands of volunteers and to many others who are trying to make sure that supplies continue to reach Haiti. Let this pseudo coalition take over if they think that it is all about exploitation. Put your money and your actions where your theories are.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 11:17 AM
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3. I do. nt
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:25 PM
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6. On second thought
This is far from an insult to the thousands of volunteers, the rulers have nothing to do with that, in fact it worked against them in the initial days as, instead of stepping on each other, the Haitians worked to help each other with a minimum of violence...much as they were pushed to such by a lack of food, water...
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 11:15 AM
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2. corporations are drooling over the cheap labour pool and shock doctrine
analysis of Haiti..easy money, easy takeover.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:29 PM
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8. Count on it
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 08:50 PM
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42. Right--because a shitty port, an illiterate work force, poor roads
and a narco state that is considered one of the most corrupt in the world always attracts business....

Not every third-world country is eyed for 'takeover.' You have to have something worth taking. Haiti doesn't.
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 11:19 AM
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4. Centuries of colonialism
to be continued...

The US and other global powers call it 'spreading democracy' but really they are ensuring that the Haitians never have the opportunity for self-determination, control of their resources, or freedom of any meaningful kind.

This poor country - it's hard to believe that such a catastrophe (the earthquake) could have happened in such a devastated place and made things even worse.

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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 01:52 PM
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13. And boy did the "powers" jump
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 01:55 PM by maryf
at the chance to get in there...
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 02:43 PM
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17. And of course that is no surprise
It seems that people's lack of attention span (or lack of effort to see the bigger picture here?) allows them to forget what was happening in Haiti a year ago, let alone 20 or 50 or 200 years ago...

History repeats...ad nauseum...
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 03:01 PM
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18. think the lack of effort
might be more of the culprit...Complacency being the cardinal sin here...As some I know say, "but if I really, really knew that such and such were true, I'd have to DO something..and I'm just not ready to do something..." harder to fight that than anything...
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 11:44 AM
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5. The hypocricy would be stunning

if we were not subject to it every day.

k&r
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:27 PM
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7. But so many don't see it
despite its ubiquitousness.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 12:51 PM
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9. and the beat goes on nt
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 01:08 PM
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10. You want Cite Soleil rebuilt? You want a shantytown reconstructed?
Because that seems to be what this piece is advocating.

Funny how envisioning housing not made of corrugated steel and flypaper--with running water, no less--makes you an imperialist pig.

Funny how combating armed gangs that set fire to people's homes, rape, pillage and lynch at will makes you the bad guy.

Cite Soleil is a fucking hellhole. Aid workers can't go there because their safety cannot be secured.

I think you should pack up and take residence in the place you think needs preserving....I think you'd last about 12 hours.


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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 01:48 PM
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11. You were ok with an opinion until here..
"I think you should pack up and take residence in the place you think needs preserving....I think you'd last about 12 hours." that was personal...
Where is the raping and pillaging going on? haven't seen anything on that...I'll read articles if you have them. Msanthrope is a great name for you, oops sorry that was personal too.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 04:59 PM
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19. I'm completely unsurprised that you know nothing about the place you advocate rebuilding.
Cite Soleil is well-known as a place where gangs routinely use rape a weapon...and the simplest Google search would bring you into contact with reports from the Red Cross, Amnesty International, the BBC, and the documentary made about Cite Soleil by Wyclff Jean--Ghosts of Cite Soleil.

But I'll start you with Wikipedia, which has excellent links to information on Cite Soleil, including the use of gang rape and house burning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cit%C3%A9_Soleil

Here's a short video to introduce you to the subject.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/08/haiti-sexual-violence



Too often, people in this country romanticize Cite Soleil because it was/is an Aristide stronghold. That's a mistake.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 06:57 PM
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29. I already looked it up
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 07:26 PM by maryf
but as a teacher, I never allow any students doing research to use Wikepedia, as you know anyone can contribute/write there. Not to say there isn't violence there, but the poverty and community is more prevalent. (And I am a contributer to AI.) Does that mean we should allow the country to not be sovereign, does that mean the vast majority of people who live there don't deserve to live there, shanty or no?
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 08:11 PM
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35. It must hurt when a Wikepedia [sic] article demolishes your point.
Academic snobbery aside, do you dispute any of the links the Wikipedia article gave you? Say, the BBC ones, the AI ones, the IRCC ones? Wikipedia articles are generally as good as the cites they provide, and in this case, nothing you've posted refutes the fact that Cite Soleil is a lawless shantytown where rape and violence are prevalent.

How is Haiti being prevented from being 'sovereign?'

Rather than discouraging your students from using Wikipedia, I would suggest that you take the time to teach them to use it as a means to locate primary source material, and how to differentiate between good articles and bad. Critical thinking--the ability to separate the wheat from the chaff is a better lesson than academic snobbery.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 08:52 PM
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43. The Wikepeadia article says
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 08:55 PM by maryf
nothing that would negate the truth of the article, and once again:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7210426

Hurt?? LOL, really, that's funny...I have a great librarian where I teach who knows how to get kids to research without Wiki...I do use it at times...
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 01:49 PM
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12. Think New Orleans, think Katrina.

n/t
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:05 PM
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21. You compare Cite Soleil with New Orleans? n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:32 PM
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25. No

What I am comparing is that the reconstruction will displace poor people with real estate schemes which will only benefit the well off.
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 02:35 PM
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16. Do you really believe that the US and other moneyed, foreign powers
suddenly have humanitarian intentions despite centuries of evidence proving otherwise?

How do you think Haiti became the 'hellhole' that it is?

Regardless of any weaknesses in the OP article, your argument is completely empty and based on completely false assumptions.

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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:07 PM
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22. Do you think President Obama doesn't have humanitarian
intentions toward Haiti? Bill Clinton?

And Haiti is not a hellhole---but Cite Soleil surely is....
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:44 PM
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28. So Much Conjecture, So Little Reality
You are spot on about Cite Soliel and many other shanty towns that dot this dirt poor country. And its appearant that those you're discussing with have little understanding of the country or its sorry history. They're confusing military assistance to put in place a security infrastrcture that didn't exist as some kind of geo-political game...without any concept of why troops are needed and what their mission is. Most of the government, which was barely functional, was wiped out in the moments after the quake...there was a literal power vacuum as the government command structure lie under the debris and there was little if any communications or civil authority. But it still feels good for some to alway bash the US and read things into the motives.

Haiti is the ultimate in desolation since it has no real resources...of little value to the US to "colonize" or to turn into some slave labor haven. The American corporates have plenty of places that have far better infrastructure and resources than Haiti...it would, as it has been, an "economic basketcase"...so down it's not even worth the bother. Just to make it "exploitable" would require building an infrastructure that doesn't exist...so the entire premise of the OP's story is flawed from the outset.

One would hope that we can provide aid and assistance to help the ongoing effort to clean-up and restore a semblence of order to this country and then to find means to help it generate revenue and build an infrastructre. It's be great to see areas like Cite Soliel renovated with electricity and water and stable housing...our money going to create jobs that will help the nation build back its society and pride. I see the US doing many good things here and the proof will be the lasting changes that will help this poor nation to see light out of the darkness...

Cheers...
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 08:32 PM
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37. Thank you--and a heart for you!
You are correct about the complete lack of governmental structure---before the quake as well as after it. Haiti is not merely a poor nation, it is a chaotic narco-state.

If our troops left now, the drug warlords will take over, completely.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 07:28 PM
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33. Have you been there?
and the intentions are not primarily humanitarian...
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 08:19 PM
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36. Wi. n/t
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 01:55 PM
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14. We should just leave right now. n/m
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 02:34 PM
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15. Except for the true help workers...nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 07:00 PM
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31. Nope. Nationbuilding is a bloody and deadly process
Haitians needs to bleed, starve, and die for their country. Foreign help only hinders the process.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 08:37 PM
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38. No, that aid is tainted by the stain of Imperialism.
Leave the power to the Haitians - they'll figure this out without U.S. intervention. Or not.


U.S. Out Of Haiti !
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:04 PM
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20. Yes. Let's leave the women and children of Haiti completely undefended
with no one to secure the distribution of aid....

Brilliant.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:09 PM
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23. I read the title and thought "wsws". But even better-Glen Ford
The guy who says Obama is racist against black people.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:16 PM
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24. Ah-yes---Glen Ford, who endorsed McKinney. n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:42 PM
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27. Yep

The guy who had Obama pegged from day one. He has been proven right time and again.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 06:58 PM
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30. Again slamming the messenger not discussing the message...
I voted for McKinney...
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 07:26 PM
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32. If you are a Green Party supporter, what are you doing here?
And I discussed your message upthread--you want to rebuild a slum, go ahead. Just because the Cite Soleil gangs are Aristide supporters doesn't make them angels.



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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 08:42 PM
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39. DU is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. (1st reply)
Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

BTW, I am still a registered Democrat as I live in a blue state and like to vote in the primary, not that it does a lot of good...
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 08:43 PM
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40. We Green Party supporters are allowed on DU ya know
they even let us donate money :P
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 08:48 PM
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41. 2nd reply
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:40 PM
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26. Gee, and I thought they were there to defend Capital...

silly me.

How could I forget that we are in Afghanistan to save the women and children too.:eyes:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 07:29 PM
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34. Oh, oh
and still in Iraq to protect their freedom!
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 09:00 PM
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45. Distributing aid is good.
But if we're oppressing looters and rapists, well, that's unconscionable imperialism.


I'm sure the Haitians can come up with a way to bootstrap it.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 08:58 PM
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44. The Haitian Government Is One Of the Most Corrupt On Earth
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 09:05 PM by Toasterlad
There is no way that the people of that country will receive the aid they need unless that aid is administered by a representative of the UN. And given that Haiti will need billions and billions of dollars to rebuild, they're pretty lucky to have that "snake-oil salesman" Bill Clinton, who is pretty fucking good at raising money.

I do not believe that the US should occupy Haiti. I DO believe that the WORLD must aid Haiti in putting their country back together, and doing so will require both money and a military presence. When the task is well and truly underway, and the need for the military presence no longer exists, I will certainly lend my voice in protest if we do not leave.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 06:48 AM
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46. but do we really need this much military?
Edited on Thu Feb-11-10 06:50 AM by maryf
and how and why did Haiti become so corrupt? think about it...
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