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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 05:39 PM
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The Significance of a Corrupted Recount of the Cleveland 2004 Presidential Vote
It was well known in the days prior to the 2004 Presidential election that a Kerry/Edwards victory was almost certain if they carried either Ohio or Florida. Central to Kerry’s chances of carrying Ohio was a good turnout in Cuyahoga County, and especially in Cleveland, the most heavily Democratic city in the state.

Therefore, Cleveland was very heavily targeted by Democrats, with a massive voter registration drive and an intense voter turnout effort on Election Day. And these efforts appeared to be highly successful by Election Day, with 230 thousand new voters registered in Cuyahoga County in 2004, the success of the voter turnout effort evidenced by the presence of impressively long voting lines throughout Cleveland, and the Ohio exit poll showing a comfortable Kerry lead throughout the day. Even CNN’s right wing hack, Robert Novak, acknowledged that it would be an uphill climb for Bush.

But disappointing returns throughout the evening meant that by late evening, despite the exit poll continuing to show a comfortable Kerry lead, the hope for a Kerry victory depended on Cuyahoga County, and especially Cleveland. But this remaining hope soon faded, as it became clear that the voter turnout from Cleveland was in fact miserably low, and by noon the next day John Kerry conceded the election.


What went wrong in Cleveland?

The Democrats were not the only major Party that heavily targeted Cleveland. The Republicans also appear to have targeted it – but in a different manner. The 230 thousand new voters registered in Cuyahoga County did not show up in the final official voter registration figures because of massive, apparently illegal purging of the voter roles, which was apparently targeted at Democrats, as discussed in detail in this thread.

But that wouldn’t explain the low “voter turnout”, which is calculated as the percent of registered voters who vote. Why, in the face of widespread expectations of exceptionally high voter turnout in Cleveland, would official voter turnout be so low?

The voting lines in Cleveland were exceptionally long, both according to observers in Cleveland and according to official reports. Analysis of reports to the national Election Incident Reporting System (EIRS) showed that not only the highest number of reports of long lines, but also the highest rate of long lines per registered voter, came from Cuyahoga County. Furthermore, the great majority of these reports came from Cleveland, which contained less than a third of the registered voters in Cuyahoga County, and where voters heavily favored John Kerry.

Yet despite the long lines all over Cleveland, official voter turnout was not only not recorded as high, but it was quite low compared to elsewhere in Ohio. According to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections website, the voter turnout in Cleveland was only 53.14%, compared to 73.41% elsewhere in Cuyahoga County and about 70% in the rest of Ohio.

What would explain the combination of exceptionally long voting lines and low turnout in Cleveland? In some counties where voters voted electronically, the explanation was too few voting machines for too many voters. That was the explanation in Franklin County, for example. But Cuyahoga County used punch card voting, not electronic voting in 2004. According to data used to produce the Democratic National Committee report on the 2004 Ohio Presidential election, only counties that used electronic voting were characterized by long lines caused by too few voting machines. Counties that used either optical scan voting or punch card voting did not experience that problem.

So, without the excuse of too few voting machines as a plausible explanation for the long voting lines in Cleveland, the most plausible remaining explanation is an exceptionally high turnout. This explanation is consistent with the massive efforts that went into obtaining a high voter turnout in Cleveland, as well as observations on Election Day.

And yet, official voter turnout in Cleveland on Election Day was exceptionally low, rather than exceptionally high.

What would explain a very high real turnout of voters in Cleveland, in the presence of a very low official turnout? One possibility comes to mind: Votes from Cleveland precincts could have been deleted by the Cuyahoga County central tabulator after being reported there.


What might the effects have been of an artificially low vote count in Cleveland?

Suppose that the voter turnout in Cleveland (as opposed to the official count) was as high as in the rest of Cuyahoga County. That would have meant that more than an additional 20% of Cleveland’s registered voters would have voted, resulting in an additional 65,563 votes. Cleveland voted very heavily for Kerry – 81%, compared to 15.4% for Bush. Assuming that same rate for the deleted votes, that would have meant an addition of 43,009 net votes for the Kerry/Edwards ticket.

Nobody knows what the real loss of votes for the Kerry/Edwards ticket might have been in Cleveland. Maybe the voter turnout in Cleveland really was low. If so, I don’t know what the explanation would be for the long voting lines all over the city, but perhaps there is an explanation that nobody has thought of or publicized. Or, maybe the official turnout results on the Cuyahoga County BOE website are wrong. Maybe those results didn’t include absentee ballots, as at least one person has suggested.


How would we ever know?

One good way to find out if votes were deleted by the Cuyahoga County tabulator would be to compare the individual precinct totals, as reported by precincts prior to being sent to the Cuyahoga County central tabulator (pre-tabulator results), with the official results reported after the central tabulator added up the votes in all the precincts (post-tabulator results).

I tried numerous times to obtain the pre-tabulator results from Michael Vu, and he promised them to me several times, but he never delivered on his promises. Consequently, I collaborated on this issue with a computer science professional, Ron (last name withheld), who works for Ray Beckerman’s Ohio Project. Ron’s initial audit of 15 precincts identified an apparent vote undercount of 163 votes that resulted in a net loss to the Kerry/Edwards ticket of 140 votes. Ron tried to proceed with a more thorough audit of the Cuyahoga County vote, but he ran into numerous technical problems, and I doubt very much whether he was ever able to complete it.

There was also, as we all know, a “recount” of a 3% “random sample” of the Cuyahoga County votes. However, we now know that that recount appears to have been rigged, and three elections workers are facing criminal charges for that.

Additional evidence of a corrupted recount comes from the observations of the Green Party observer at the recount, who noted:

Anomalies were found. Almost all of the witnesses that I spoke with felt that the ballots were not in random order, that they had been previously sorted. There would be long runs of votes for only one candidate and then long runs for another, which seemed statistically improbable to most. From what they were able to get through, witnesses found that signature counts were very much different from the official recorded number of ballots


The significance of the corrupted recount

If my assumptions and calculations are correct – if the Kerry/Edwards ticket did lose 43 thousand votes in Cleveland because the Cuyahoga County central tabulator deleted Cleveland votes, that would not by itself have changed the results of the Presidential election in Ohio, which John Kerry “lost” by 118 thousand votes. However, this analysis may have underestimated the number of deleted votes, for example if it underestimated the voter turnout in Cleveland or if vote deletion was selectively targeted at the most Democratic Cleveland precincts. Additional evidence (See Cuyahoga County results) for that possibility comes from a study that shows that in Cuyahoga County there was an inverse relationship between voter turnout and percentage of the vote for John Kerry, county wide.

Also, there is a great deal of additional evidence of election fraud in Ohio. In Cuyahoga County alone there appears to have been massive illegal purging of registered voters, resulting in a net loss of additional tens of thousands of net Kerry/Edwards votes in Ohio. John Conyers’ report, “Preserving Democracy – What Went Wrong in Ohio”, provides a great deal of additional solid evidence of numerous “irregularities” occurring in the 2004 Ohio Presidential election. And there is much much more.

The prosecutors who are prosecuting the Cuyahoga County election officials for rigging the Cuyahoga County recount have implied that the sole reason for that crime may have been to avoid the excess work of having to recount all the votes in the county. That explanation does not seem very plausible to me. Election workers get paid for their work. If they didn’t have to hand count the presidential votes they certainly would have been given other work to do. Would three people commit a felony simply to avoid a little excess work?

Far more important than the prosecution of those three individual election officials is figuring out what happened, so that measures may be taken to prevent a repeat occurrence – in Ohio or elsewhere. Perhaps the trial will shed light on this. But just as or more important than the trial would be a complete hand recount of the Cuyahoga County vote. I don’t know if the records are still available, but if they are there is no reason not to proceed with a full recount – which should have been done a long time ago.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 05:52 PM
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1. very interesting.
When will the trial occur?...wouldn't it be great to find out the real truth once and for all?What if...they found out that Kerry did indeed win? ...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:05 AM
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19. The trial has begun
Opening statements were made on Thursday.

I don't believe that it's realistic to think that the trial by itself will prove that Kerry won.

HOWEVER, what I am hoping for is this: The trial will undoubtedly confirm that the recount in Cuyahoga County was a sham. Hopefully that will get a lot of play in the news media. Ideally, if given enough publicity, that will fuel demands by an angry citizenry for a real and full recount (if that is still possible). That could lead to the discovery of tens of thousands of votes lost from John Kerry's total (I doubt very much that it could amount to the margin of victory, however). Having discovered that, it should be pointed out that there were serious problems with the recounts in many other counties as well.

The whole state should be recounted. That could provide the evidence for a Kerry victory. But even if it doesn't, that doesn't mean that he wouldn't have won a fair election. As I pointed out in the OP, there were probably about 200 thousand voters illegally purged in heavily Democratic Cuyahoga County alone. And Dems were targeted for purging in many other ares as well (see my link, above). Those lost votes wouldn't show up in a recount because they never got to vote.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 06:02 PM
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2. We need those three to turn on Blackwell.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:06 PM
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10. Video - from local news - Special Prosecutor Baxter interviewed
Edited on Sat Jan-20-07 09:07 PM by btmlndfrmr
He has a certain intensity in his eyes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O38UDMzd1T8

At the end the commenter gives some incite on one of the defendents... IMO gives the impression she might want to talk about "the procedure".







...and Kicking and recommending this work of art.


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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:22 AM
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16. Oh yes, that would be so good.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:54 AM
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20. Thanks for the video
I don't trust Michael Vu at all. He repeatedly promised me information on the pre-tabulator counts, and never made any progress on that. I think he's a crook, and he was complying with demands from above, probably all the way up to Blackwell.

I counted 3 times that the commentator in the video said that there is no evidence that the recount would affect the results of the Presidential election. Makes you wonder... He talks about the possibility of it affecting other elections. Yet, the whole purpose of the recount was to recount the Presidential vote.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:42 AM
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24. This "it wouldn't change the result anyway"
has never flown with me. Just a way to keep things under wraps.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 02:43 PM
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28. It sounds almost as if
they were given orders from the Bush White House to say that.

In my opinion it's just plain irresponsible. There's no reason to for prosecutors to say stuff like that -- it's not part of their responsibility, especially when they don't even know what they're talking about.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:39 PM
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48. It is curious as to why he would say that.
Perhaps he was thinking ahead to the potential repercussions and not wanting people to freak out. For me... by him stating it prematurely now makes it a question.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:55 PM
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49. Mr. Vu did sort of stutter there for a moment didn't he?
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 08:58 PM by btmlndfrmr
And while the commentator states there is no evidence that the recount would not affect the results... parsing, in this trial ... maybe not currently. That evidence does not exist I "dunno" on that one. Technically the electoral college finalized the election. That is the end result and can not change. I guess what I am trying to say is it's semantics and open to interpretation.


Regardless, it's time to count the votes to make sure don't cha think?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:09 PM
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50. I sure do -- and another thing I forgot to mention on this subject
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 09:15 PM by Time for change
The idea that the 3 election officials rigged the sample recount simply to avoid the work of doing a full recount is absurd.

If the general election in Cuyahoga County was clean, there would be no need to rig the recount, because the recount would match the official vote, and there would be no problem. So, the fact that the recount was rigged means that those who rigged it must have been aware that the general election was fraudulent. Otherwise, what would be the point?

So, we're supposed to believe that they committed a felony for no reason at all?
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 10:21 PM
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51. I'm inclined to think that they were pressured or bribed
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 10:38 PM by btmlndfrmr
maybe blackmailed, or threatened with dismissal ..whatever... They are certainly not the masterminds. As I understand it is a felony but the maximum sentence is 18 months... seems like the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

What I want to know, like Patsy up thread asked here and also asked Botany on another thread who seemed to know they were about to be made public, is WHY haven't they been made availabe? I noticed OTOH commented on different states having different rules... but this state has been the center of controversy for over two years.

As I understand it the VOTES WERE TO BE DESTROYED (back in Sept. I think) but Richard Haye's declaration (included below) was pivotal in a the judges order to stay the destruction ....my understanding of which the destruction was to be done under Blackwell's behest while other election ballots from older elections were still archived ...and this was outside of normal procedure. So... was Blackwell just not allowing the votes to be accessed by the public is that it?



This is a long dry but informative read

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/declaration.01.htm
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:36 PM
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40. All I get at that link is Brokeback mountain videos
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:19 PM
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11. Remember JOHN CONYERS HAS SUBPOENA POWER!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 06:28 PM
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3. Another great post, Time For Change! Thanks so much! This trial really
needed to be put into perspective. This is a great contribution to the continuing story of the 2004 election.

I don't know about y'all here at DU, but I know what I think should happen: the nullification by Congress of the 2004 presidential election. That would solve the problem of impeachment. Nullify the election, rescind all of Bush's tyrannical edits and all of his appointments.

It really burns me up that Bush is still president, when it is so obvious that he and his Junta stole the 2004 election. They should all be in jail on the felonies alone committed in Ohio--not to mention the "trade secret," proprietary vote counting, by Bushite corporations, all over the country. I think Bush lost by as much as 10%, maybe even more.

Anybody wonders how he can be issuing more tyrannical edits, and escalating a war that 70% of the American people oppose, and planning another war? This is how. He was not elected. He is not beholden to the voters. He holds power illegitimately, and has no need to concern himself about the American people think.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 10:43 PM
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13. It burns me up that he's pResident too Peace Patriot
Unfortunately, our country isn't ready for a nullification, regardless of what is found. But I've got a great second choice: Bring Bush and Cheney up on numerous impeachable charges for trashing our Constitution, try them for every one of those charges, and throw them out of office.

Then, at some point in the future, after our country has matured considerably (perhaps long after we're all gone), nullify their selection.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 06:31 PM
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4. This is why it is VITAL we get things cleaned up before 2008!!!!
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 06:33 PM
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5. thanks for your in-depth post
What I will never understand is that the State of Ohio knew the recount was rigged and yet
did not have a do-over, oh, well, justice delayed is justice denied.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:01 PM
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32. I think that that can be explained in two words
Kenneth Blackwell!!

I believe that the the whole fraudulent mess was dictated by him. He refused to answer any of John Conyers' questions that his committee raised in their investigation of the Ohio election.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:47 PM
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35. yes, I would like to see that re-opened as an investigation
by John Conyers
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 06:43 PM
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6. I've often wondered why it hasn't been recounted.
Even here in Florida, hotbed of corruption that it is, a consortium requested and recounted the Gore v. Bush 2000 ballots.

Thanks for the thoughtful OP. Let's hope and work for reform.

K&R.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:18 PM
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33. A recount was arranged for the whole state
It was supposed to be a 3% recount of random precincts in each county. But the supposedly random requirement was ignored in many counties, and many other counties skirted other requirements for the recount. For example, in Hocking County a cheat sheet was used to prevent a full recount of the vote:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

The end result was that only one county did a full recount. Why there wasn't more prosecution, in many of the other counties, is beyond my understanding.

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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:44 PM
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34. Great back up data here, and another piece of the pie.
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 04:48 PM by btmlndfrmr
The yellow counties on the TRIAD map (in the Truth Out post) indicate the location of the central tabulators, I believe. 3 central tabulators accumulated the votes for TRIAD's installed base in Ohio. (the old punch card solution). Most likely if computer fraud happened, it happened at this point on the central tabulators.

There was a video interview of the tech from the article, out there some place. That's actually what I was looking for until I found the video posted up thread.

Which leads to the infamous "the writing was on the wall". Where they wrote recount numbers on the wall next to the punch card counters if the recounts did not match.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:14 PM
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38. Yeah -- one wonders why on earth that wasn't prosecuted
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:57 PM
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42. Thanks, but that wasn't wasn't what I meant.
I was talking about something like the "2000 Florida Ballots Project". This wasn't an official recount, but an after the fact, "let's see what really happened here" recount headed up by a media consortium. http://electionstudies.org/florida2000/sponsors.htm

This was the group who determined that Gore won, and would have been declared the winner if there had been a statewide recount, not the cherry-picked counties Gore's camp wanted -- a choice which eventually led to the equal protection argument which, among other things, sank BvG.

My comment was directed towards this sort of public/private "forensic" recount effort, and why it hasn't happened. Was it a lack of curiosity? Were the ballots unavailable? There would seem to be a desire to get to the bottom of this, in an official capacity or not. I was just wondering out loud why it hasn't occurred.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:11 PM
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44. I believe it had to do with the size of the "victory" margin
The presumed margin in Ohio in 2004 was 118 thousand votes, whereas in Florida in 2000 it was only a few hundred. Because of the large "victory" margin in Ohio, there was relatively little media interest in it compared with Florida 2000.

Our national corporate news media would not contemplate the possibility that fraud could have occurred involving over a hundred thousand votes.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:27 PM
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46. Sadly
that's probably the exact reason it didn't occur.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:30 PM
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47. legal differences may have had something to do with it, too
Various discussions of the Florida Ballot Project have commented that the ballots were accessible because they were considered public records under Florida's Sunshine Law and therefore could not be withheld. I don't know, but it seems that Ohio BoEs have been less free with access to the ballots.

But your point would probably suffice: the media just wasn't trying in 2004.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 06:49 PM
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7. Cuyahoga County
I travelled to Cleveland with other activists to participate in the recount. It stunk from the bottom to the top.

It reeked of a very rigged and choreographed situation. All of the specific areas which were most in question were the very ones that were eliminated from recount under what they called random sampling.

Once the rules were established the groans were all around with oddly enough the folks from The Libertarian Party being the most outspoken against the way the charade was being staged.

That quote you have from the Green Party Observer was pretty much on the mark.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 08:00 PM
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8. That's great -- You're the first DUer I'm aware of who observed the
infamous Cuyahoga County recount.

I take it that you meant to say that you 'observed' it, rather than 'participated'?

Do you have any insights into how it came to be done so poorly? I mean, did you get any sense of a conspiracy to commit fraud on the part of those conducting it?
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 09:23 PM
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12. No I participated
We arrived the evening before the actual recount for training a sort of what to look for thing and then prepared ourselves for what we thought would be three days of a very intense and painful slog through massive amounts of ballots.

Well we arrived the next morning at the election office and the top reps from the county board of elections basically told us this is how it would be done. And how they said it would be done bore no resemblance to the training we had had the night before. the training we had received was based on the standard procedure for a recount in Ohio and it was clear that that protocol was being violated.

There were also a few lawyers who were there representing the parties involved in the recount and it was obvious they were just blown away by our morning instructions and one of the lawyers in fact stopped the proceedings briefly to talk to the woman who was dictating the rules of the recount. That woman by the way was a Democrat as was the Asian guy I believe who was at the very highest position in the County Election Board I believe.

Well at the recount tables themselves there were four individuals doing the recount, one from The Green, Libertarian, Dem & Rep parties. Overseeing at each table were two employees of the election board one Dem and one Rep. All the employees were really annoyed with those of us interested in the recounts and were ready to head home for the holidays as we were cutting into their vacation time. Personally i had no sympathy for them as I saw this as all of our civic obligation.

Now one thing to note was how those who were residents of Cuyahoga knew exactly which precincts they wanted to review. Those of us coming in from out of state mostly assumed we were going to recount the whole thing and were ready to do just that.

As it turned out the process to determine what precincts would be part of the small percentage recounted was quite selective. The folks from Cuyahoga who understood this from the start were furious and calling it a cheat right away. And though they went through with it they said this recount was a total waste of time and a violation of the law as well.

Well anyway we finished in just two days and everyone just felt pretty much deflated and frustrated.

It wasn't so much conspiracy to commit fraud on those who were involved in the recount per se but in how the process was set up. There was nothing to find because we weren't allowed to look where the fraud existed. It was like we were taken to the scene a crime and as we walked into the house you were told "That room's off limits" and "You can't look in that closet" and "No you can't go in the basement" if you know what I mean.

If you have any specific questions I'd be glad to try to answer them but I tell you the experience was underwhelming. It was like being killed softly.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:08 AM
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15. Well, as long as Blackwell was at the top of the pyramid I don't suppose that
there was anything that could have been done about it.

From what you say, I find it very hard to believe that there wasn't a conspiracy -- meaning that the election workers had gotten together ahead of time and plotted out a strategy to make sure that only precincts would be counted where it was known that there was no fraud. I don't think that they could have made it work otherwise.

I suppose the orders came from above, and everyone had to be on board for some reason.

I just can't believe that something like that just happened.

I hope this trial blows the whole thing wide open, and I hope that Blackwell spends the rest of his born again life in jail. :mad:
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 08:00 PM
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9. Excellent compilation, Time for Change! Thanks! n/t
Edited on Sat Jan-20-07 08:01 PM by Melissa G
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 11:58 PM
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14. Cuyahoga Catapillar crawl
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 12:07 AM by btmlndfrmr
...not a dance from from thirties

CATERPILLAR CRAWL IN CUYAHOGA COUNTY
Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D.
Presented to Election Assessment Hearing
Houston, Texas, July 29, 2005



In the State of Ohio, the law requires that the order in which the candidates’
names appear on the ballot, (or, more precisely, on the voting machines), must
rotate from precinct to precinct. The rationale for this is that voters are
stupid or lazy, and are more likely to vote for the first candidate listed on
the ballot. In practice, “ballot rotation” is an open invitation to fraud
because, more often than not, at least in Cuyahoga County, voters from more
than one precinct vote at the same polling place.

In all precincts in all counties, five columns appear in the vote totals, in
this order: Badnarik, Bush, Kerry, Candidate Disqualified, and Peroutka. I
have abbreviated these names as bBKdp for each precinct analyzed in this paper.
On the voting machines themselves, the candidates’ names might appear in a
different order. The sequence, however, is always the same. Only the starting
point differs. Thus, if voters from one precinct were given the correct punch
cards but went to the wrong voting machine, they would vote for the wrong
candidates, ones not of their choosing. In a precinct where Kerry would have
gotten 95% of the vote in a free and fair election, no organized effort was
necessary to commit election fraud. A mere lack of supervision would suffice.

<snip>

It is my expectation, after performing an exhaustive and comprehensive study of
polling places in Cleveland, that these uncounted punch cards will provide
conclusive proof of election fraud. Some of them will indeed be “undervotes”
incompletely punched for Kerry. But many of them will be “overvotes,” with a
hole for Kerry punched by the voter, and a hole for Bush punched by a criminal.
And many of them will contain votes for Candidate Disqualified, explainable in
such large numbers only by criminal intent to utilize ballot rotation to siphon
votes from the rightful candidate. We need to look at the forensic evidence.



the rest here:

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/caterpillar.htm
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 01:50 AM
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17. K&R.(nt)
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 03:52 AM
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18. BUSH WAS NOT ELECTED IN THE FIRST INSTANCE, NOR THE SECOND! n/t
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 09:59 AM
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21. The corrupted election had another effect.
It made a lot of us who worked so hard in Ohio feel that we had failed.

The psychological effects of believing you've failed at the most important thing in the world can be devastating. Disillusioning the most committed activists can have unintended consequences, though.

For what it's worth.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:03 AM
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22. I know what you mean
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 11:04 AM by Time for change
But I think that the election activists who worked so hard for the Kerry/Edwards ticket, or more generally for fair elections, have a great deal to be proud of. :patriot:

We are up against a powerful and formiddable foe. We can be proud of our valiant efforts, while at the same time recognizing that there is a good chance of failure. All we can do is keep on trying.

What unintended consequences are you talking about?

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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 01:39 PM
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27. I guess that I'm talking about a radicalizing effect.
If people want to change a corrupt system, and the legitimate means of doing that are taken away from them, they may not simply lie down. There's a possibility that they can become radicalized and begin to view violence as their only alternative to achieve the necessary change.

Already, I've noticed my willingness to "make something up" to effect a change WHEN I KNOW I'M RIGHT, has increased. I've witnessed liars and cheaters prosper and the meek and the just suffer. The envelope, for me, has been pushed. Facts, schmacts! It's winning that matters.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:48 PM
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36. I see what you mean
The increasing inequality of wealth and political influence in our country is bound to create a radicalizing effect in some people. The fact that their appears to be little fairness to this process makes it all the worse.

Yet, it seems to me that one of our biggest problems is too much complacency on the part of much of the population. There ought to be outrage on the part of the American population over the trampling of our Constitution. And yet, there is way too little concern about that.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 04:51 PM
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37. thank you for your effort, you have not failed
the netroots has formed and is crying for change, your efforts have given the spark for
the rest of us, to open our wallets, roll up our sleeves and help bring about change.

thank you, never underestimate what you have done to rollback this corrupt vote manipulation.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:02 AM
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52. Thank you so much. n/t
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:44 PM
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54. I think change is in the air, everywhere
it's coming, once the investigations start, people have started going to prison and others
have been indicted, once people realize their actions could result in possible jailtime,
they will start giving information in return for reduced charges.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:04 AM
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23. I'll kick that. - n/t
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:45 AM
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25. You should send this to Keith
Maybe we can get this looked into with some media coverage
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 12:41 PM
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26. K & R. Thank you for this.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:52 PM
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41. Thanks -- I neglected to add
No DUer has been blocked from responding to this thread.

;-)
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 02:55 PM
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29. Weren't there official GAO findings that something was wrong with
election totals in Ohio? What ever happened to that?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 03:43 PM
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31. I believe that the GAO findings you're talking about dealt with election
vulnerabilities, but did not talk about specific fraudulent election results. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's the case.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 03:05 PM
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30. K&R!!!
Incredibly well-done post, complete with details succinctly put and easily understood as part of overall events.

Thanks, Time For Change!!!

:kick:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:34 PM
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39. Thanks for the update. Recommended.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:31 PM
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43. Columbus Voting machine distribution 2004 info
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 06:54 PM by btmlndfrmr
STEALING VOTES IN COLUMBUS

Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D.
November 23, 2004

The Free Press on Election Day posted a disturbing story, later confirmed by the Columbus Dispatch. The Free Press reported that Franklin County Board of Elections Director Matt Damschroder deliberately withheld voting machines from predominantly black Democratic wards in Columbus, and dispersed some of the machines to affluent suburbs in Franklin County.

Damschroder is the former Executive Director of the Franklin County Republican Party. Sources close to the Board of Elections told the Free Press that Damschroder and Ohio’s Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell met with President George W. Bush in Columbus on Election Day.

<snip>

Thus I conclude that the withholding of voting machines from predominantly Democratic wards in the City of Columbus cost John Kerry upwards of 17,000 votes. A more detailed calculation could be done on a precinct by precinct basis, but that is not necessary here. The purpose is to illustrate the magnitude of the conspiracy.

rest here:

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/columbus.htm


Some Background on Matt Damschroder

http://www.dispatch.com/election.php?story=dispatch/2005/07/16/20050716-A1-00.html
http://www.dispatch.com/?story=dispatch/2006/05/14/20060514-A1-04.html
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:17 PM
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45. Yes, and Elizabeth Liddle did a statistical study on the lack of voting machines
in Franklin County and concluded that, by disproportionately disenfranchising Democrats, they cost Kerry/Edwards several thousand votes:
http://uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=63
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 09:25 AM
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53. that whole state had issues because of Blackwell
My parents are from East Cleveland and I am a native of Cincinnati, where my Dad currently reside so i am pretty familiar with the districts they are talking about in Cuyahoga County (I still have a lot of relatives there as well). But I would bet that there was a lot of nonsense in Hamilton County (where Cinncinati proper is). I remember looking at the results there and being a bit confused. Granted Cincinnati is a very Conservative region, but the City itself has gotten to have a large Minority population with a police department with a VERY bad reputation. I bet there was a lot of voter intimidation and fraud there and because it is a "republican" territory nobody looked twice. I can tell you that my Dad and Stepmother both loath Blackwell intensely as do many other Ohioans and blame him for a lot of that crap.
Makes me sad as an Ohio native. I have lived in Maryland for 30 years so I don't often share where my roots come from...
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 07:46 PM
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55. one more kick n/t
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