What happened to health insurance reform?

[SHRED]

Well for starters... $1,5000,000 per day buys a lot of Congress apparently.


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[FormerDittoHead]

1. Remember, that money was going to both sides.

That money was spent as much WRITING the bill as it was FIGHTING the bill. It was a win-win.

The reason it didn't pass was because the CORE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FIGURED IT OUT. You just can't "energize the base" with a program that was exactly what the party ran AGAINST. (mandates, no public option, no anti-trust protection, state regulation versus federal regulation, etc, etc.)

edit: typo

[SHRED]

3. true...and...

The corporate elite run this country, run TV and radio, and it does not matter which political party because they are both corrupted by the big bucks.
Repubs 100% and Dems 75% by my estimation, according to Congressional voting records.

Remember...it's only "class warfare" when we speak out.

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[WhiteTara]

2. well, thaat is an interesting number. n/t

[Coyote_Bandit]

4. What happened?

A sitting Dem President with majorities in both the House and Senate were not willing to consider ALL options and from the beginning refused to accept testimony and evidence regarding the viability of a single payer system. Then they found it acceptable to settle for less .... and less .... and still less .... until there was no meaningful healthcare reform and, at best, only insurace reform that remained.

So why did they do that?
(1) They were not personally committed to reforming healthcare in any meaningful way. Their commitment was political not personal.
(2) They lacked the political leadership and/or skill to make it happen.
(3) They lacked the courage, the guts and the intestional fortitude to make it happen.
(4) They were more interested in protecting their position and the welfare of the corporate donors that finance their campaign efforts.

None of which recommends the sorry bastards be retained in office. With a few notable exceptions, of course.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. Don't you mean health CARE reform which morphed into health INSURANCE reform?

[SHRED]

6. I heard we talked about single-payer...

...but I didn't ever hear any talk of full government run health care.
I'd be open to it for sure.

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[OmmmSweetOmmm]

10. Medicare for all! :)

I've been known to chant that once and awhile. :)

[Old Codger]

7. Played

From what I have seen so far we have been played, they (both sides) have done everything they could to delay it, from their so-called need of "bipartisanship" to the need for 60 vote supposed super majority to gee what now the rethugs don't like it and we so want them to like it... they have no balls, no spine they appear to be a complete lost the world of politics....

[mdmc]

8. this is what happened imho

1. the real deal solution was taken off the table
2. lobbyist were allowed to write the bill
3. the gop lined up on the side of no no no..
4. we (dems) made all sorts of shady deals to bribe rat worms to vote for the bill
5. to gop was energized and ready to go - were able to win Teddy's seat
6. now I guess they want house dems to pass the lobbyist bill, then "reconcile" it after some of them lose their jobs this Nov.

[LWolf]

9. Better question:

What happened to health CARE reform?

[dixiegrrrrl]

11. This is what happened:

"Not only did the White House fail to crank up its own campaign machinery on behalf of health care, it also worked to silence other liberal groups. In a little-publicized effort, top administration officials met each week at the Capital Hilton with members of a coalition called the Common Purpose Project, which included leading activist groups like Change to Win, Rock the Vote and MoveOn. In August, when members of the coalition planned to run ads targeting conservative Democrats who opposed health care reform, Rahm Emanuel showed up in person to put a stop to the campaign. According to several participants, Emanuel yelled at the assembled activists, calling them "fucking retards" and telling them he wasn't going to let them derail his legislative winning streak. "We're 13-0 going into health care!" he screamed. "We're not going to be 13-1!"

Emanuel also locked down OFA: When liberal activists approached the group about targeting conservative Democrats, they were told, "We won't give you call lists. We can't go after Democrats — we're part of the DNC." It was exactly the danger that Hildebrand had warned about when Plouffe made OFA part of the party apparatus. In the end, the activists scrapped the organizing effort, leaving the president without a left flank in the health care debate."

was just reading the Rolling Stone article on how the WH blew away the people who helped put Obama in the WH.
The health care part is on p. 3

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/31961846/no_we_cant

[LWolf]

13. Thanks for the link.

:(

[L0oniX]

12. Sorry ...too busy with all the Palin bull shit.