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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:41 PM
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IT'S JUST FUCKING SURREAL...
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 11:54 PM by PCIntern
(Sorry for the shouting)

Ya know, I was born into the earliest of the Eisenhower era, had to listen to my parents sit shiva for Adlai twice, get to hear about how that shit Nixon was a fascist, worry about Goldwater blowing up the known Universe, watch Ronnie Rayguns (yes that was what we called him BEFORE he was governor of California) get groomed for the White House, endure Carter's dismantling by the Powers-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed, Get Bush Sr. who was probably responsible for just about anything and everything imaginable, watch the Ree-thug Congress of 1994 go after Clinton, the Recount, Bush the Younger for Eight years of horrors and atrocities promulgated against peoples, the Constitution, and due process in general...

But NOTHING, NOTHING has been CLOSE to the possible ascendancy by this absolute know-nothing, sociopathic, narcissistic, lying, artificial creepy lady from Alaska. It is BEYOND THE FUCKING PALE that this individual should EVER...EVER be or have been considered for ANYTHING above the level of Administrative Assistant in a Parking Authority.

Honest-to-God, she makes everyone else seem reasonable...and therein may lie her purpose. If Kay Bailey Hutchison showed up instead of Palin tonight, I think we would have all breathed a sigh of relief...and THAT AIN'T SAYING MUCH!

And for those of you who say, "Bring It ON" with respect to Palin's candidacy/nomination, just remember we said that Reagan couldn't win, that Nixon didn't stand a ghost of a chance, that there probably wouldn't be a Republican President in my lifetime after Goldwater had the shit knocked out of him by Johnson, and that Massachusetts Senate seat was safe.

These Republicans are like the Terminator...they won't stop, nothing can buy them off, change their minds, anything...until we as a Party are dead. This is how they are programmed...make no mistake about it.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:42 PM
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1. a raving kick and recommend
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 09:26 AM
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49. IMO. The problem is
the line between what the rethugs "stand for" and what "we" (actions speak louder than words) stand for, has been waay blurred. Currently, there is "one party", with two heads. The Democrats (after election), go right along with the "status quo" and accept bribes too, to protect Corporate Interests. Fuck the People! We need to get the "good"(Kucinich, Grayson, etc...) elected Democrats and Bernie Sanders (Independent) to quit the current Democratic party and form a Progressive Party. Many others will join. Maybe, that way we can do "the peoples work" instead of the corporations work. They can field a Presidential candidate (Bernie I hope) and with our (non-corporate) support, win elections...JMO
p.s. we can always change the site name to "Progressive Underground"?? People must always maintain a voice..
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ezmerelda39 Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:03 AM
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56. Two headed party= the Purple Party?
Funny you should mention the same three persons that I believe are still fighting for their constituents. They are a minority and are treated like illegal aliens. If Dennis, Bernie and Alan were to join forces, leave their respective positions and form a new and independent party we really would have a party we could really believe in. If only.....
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:48 AM
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77. change the site name to "Progressive Underground"
change to PU?
I would be OK with that, but I have a sense of humor.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:03 PM
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81. lol
or something else....you are too quick for me... pu..lol
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ThomThom Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:16 PM
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100. how about The Progressive Underground?
TPU
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dark forest Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:27 PM
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124. An excellent idea
Boy, I am tired of my party selling out to evil
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:24 AM
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73. No argument here. I've been saying the same thing since the Katie Couric interview that should have
gotten her send back to Alaska for a "family emergency" instead got her millions of devotees! It's been like a a carnival freak show that got showed from the sideshow section and put up on the main stage, by popular demand. My mind is blown, and not in a good way!
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:44 PM
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2. These Republicans are like the Terminator...they won't stop, nothing can buy them off
Man, I've been saying that for awhile.
And I believe it too...
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:29 PM
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103. That's because they are supported by "people" who live forever.
Corporations are considered "people." Real people die. Corporations are like vampires or "terminators" or shape shifters - they can outlive opposition by laying low or feigning defeat in times of popular outrage and then return with full force when complacency returns. Put the reins on corporate money and power and we might be able to have our government back. How to do that when so many of our elected representatives are dependent on corporate money is the big question. Now the corporations have turned the tables on social movements by funding and publicizing faux activism and astroturf that replicate genuine citizen protest.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:47 PM
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3. This is how I'm feeling. I didn't think it was possible to come up
with a person I thought could do more damage than * did. I have the "bring it ON" thoughts and then am reminded that they say things like "we'll count the votes" and the fact that I don't for one second believe * won in 2004. So, yeah, it scares me. She's the perfect fit for the BFEE overlords: stupid, and with lots of skeletons in the closet with which to keep her in line.
:scared:
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PinkoDonkey Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:47 PM
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4. Agreed.
She is no joke. She is a nightmare.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:49 PM
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5. I doubt she and Todd can hold the marriage together until 2012
She's a walking trainwreck, and he's a moran. One of them will explode the holier than thou myth. I'm betting on her.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:49 PM
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6. Bait 'n switch.
Caribou Barbie will be threatened as the next party hopeful, taking all the potshots...and looking stupider in the process, and then Mitt will walk in: looking like a voice of reason for the GOP and the country.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:50 PM
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8. Ed Zachary my point!
:hi:
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:11 AM
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19. They really are bags of scum, aren't they? The only way to try and win is to cheat.
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 12:12 AM by MUAD_DIB
Republican virtue at its best...
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:04 PM
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119. Another thing is ..
the Dems that they put up for office are usually repubs or republiCON lite. They all back down and seem to be scared to tell it like it is..
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:44 AM
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33. I think that's the idea.
I'm not sure how well it's going to work, though.
If you know Palin fans, you know that they'll react violently to any perceived insult to their queen.
Pulling her to put Romney in her place may well cause them to absolutely lose their shit.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:50 PM
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7. Ignorance and banality will kill America.
We didn't have this mass amount of stupid people walking amongst us 30 years ago. Intelligence was something sought after back then. There were signs and warnings, though, like 'Disco Duck' and clackers.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 06:34 AM
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38. YES.....
WE HAVE LOST THE KIDS! In Washington CO Maine.they have 2 semesters of civic's class out of 4 full years of high school.
In our small town the annual Democratic meeting produced 5 attendees, the youngest......65 years old!
The hard of hearing 87 year old man once again accepted the responsibility of Chair. ( he has been, for about 50 years.)
Basketball tournaments Allen's Coffee Brandy, drugs, and kareoke rule! The serious youth have to work so hard to get some kind of education, they don't have time to get involved!
( The repigs have successful;ly created this diaster for the last 30 or more years!
I have watched it happen. I too saw my parents sit shiva for Stephenson.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 09:30 AM
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50. Blame Raygun
and his repeal of THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE. This plan has worked out better than they ever imagined. All Propaganda, All the Time... IDK why Obama has not reinstated the fairness doctrine, unless...he is a part of the plan...
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:50 PM
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9. Death throes of the empire :/ (nt)
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:52 PM
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10. You actually scared me.
My thoughts have been that Palin is actually much worse than Bush, Reagan, or Nixon and in fact she is so far out there it just hasn't been possible for me to grasp the possibility that she could be elected to the presidency but you make a powerful argument and I find myself grasping this possibility.....damn, it is scary beyond words.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:23 AM
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24. It would be the death of this country.
Seriously, we could be looking at a second civil war if this comes to pass.

For one thing, I could easily see some of the more conscientious members of the military brass refusing to take orders from this dingbat.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 07:33 AM
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41. Not a chance.
The only hope of a CW II (and seriously I think this is the only real hope the world has) is to somehow move the government to the left and hope like hell that the right is stupid enough to touch one off.

Unfortunately what I foresee is more compromise and capitulation.

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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 09:44 AM
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52. I'm not so confident about the military
Yes, civil war is beginning to feel possible - and I fear a substantial part of the uniformed military will side with 'THEM'. Meaning the party of guns, je-haysus, racism and xenophobia. I think of many sophisticated nations that had an authoritarian takeover - Germany, Russia, Argentina - and I suspect lots of their citizens were saying 'it can't happen here' until it was too late.

Human nature responds more to demagogues than to reason.

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:54 PM
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11. It's pretty pathetic, isn't it?
We've been jumping up and down and screaming up here ever since August 2008 trying to warn people down there, but the idiots refuse to listen. I don't know what it's going to take. The more dirt we dig up, the more they love her.

You are right -- it's surreal.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:56 PM
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13. Thanks for responding...
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 11:57 PM by PCIntern
I've always enjoyed...if you want to call it that...I guess, 'appreciated' is a better word, your posts.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:04 AM
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16. Thank you, PC.
People got so sick of hearing about her after the election that I had decided to kind of lay low, but so much has come up in the past few days, I think I'm going to have to break my "no original posts about SP" pledge. I kind of hesitated to post that Mudflats bit about the undeclared cabins on Thursday, but it was such a great scoop I just had to. It was gratifying to see the AP pick it up the next day and to have it go national.

I have a feeling there's going to be LOTS more good stuff coming up soon.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:10 AM
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18. You mustn't EVER lay low...
They don't...not for one second...your stuff is terrific and if anyone's 'tired' of reading about her, they don't have to click on the post. Keep up the great work...
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:29 AM
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25. That's just the thing, the people don't 'love' her.
At least not nearly enough of them do.

The media loves her, or more accurately the corporate interests that control the media, because they see in her a 'leader' that is even more incurious and impressionable than 'W'.

They are trying their hardest to 'sell' her as the next president. So far, they haven't come close to succeeding. But they will keep trying.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:06 AM
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31. Oh, I know SANE people don't love her,
but her followers are delusional fanatics. The base feelings she stirs up in some people are what trouble me. These people are unstable, they're likely to do really crazy things.

I know this is a land of free speech, and Sarah is free to spew her hatred, but she is so bad for the country, even when she isn't holding public office. I wish she would just shut up and go away.

I never would have thought she'd turn out this way. She beguiled so many people in Alaska early on, even many Democrats, but most of us have wised up at this point. She was not the person we thought she was. She is not now who her followers think she is.

She will be whoever she needs to be to satisfy her huge gigantic ego, and if she gets rich in the process, all the better.

There's your paragon of virtue "Queen Esther" for ya, dimwits.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:55 PM
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12. KnR....great post....:o)
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:00 AM
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14. Well Said... PCIntern....
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 12:25 AM by lib2DaBone
Thanks for sharing your years of experience...

Maybe you can link us back to McCarthy and his crew.. and just how similar 'lil Sarah Palin is....
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:01 AM
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15. I understand what you are saying.
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 12:17 AM by Cleita
However, many nations have suffered what we are going through now. I guess it's our turn although I wish we could learn from history and avert it. I remember Eva Peron and her ambitions. Sarah reminds me of her, but even Eva made sense when she made speeches. I used to listen to her with my father on his short wave radio when we lived in Chile. Eva, if she had lived, could have been Empress of South America because she had the same ability to make people follow and cheer her. Those who knew she was in it for herself had the same misgivings we have every time Sarah reemerges. I hope we can turn this around.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:04 AM
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17. Eva Peron had a 3 Digit I.Q.
I rest my case....
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:16 AM
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21. There is no doubt Eva was really intelligent, which is why she would have
been empress if she had lived. Sarah is cunning and not to be dismissed. However, my comparison is not about their IQs but their abilities to use female attraction to rally up a political base. Eva wore designer clothes, fabulous furs and jewelry to appear glamorous to the poor people she rallied. She let them know that they too could be her because she too was lower class but able to rise above it. She also bleached her hair blond because she knew Latin Americans of all classes admired blonds. I don't know why, but they do. Sarah is using her sex appeal as much as she is able to without resorting to a push up bra and cleavage. Compared to other Republican lady politicians she has the edge there when it comes to the sex appeal. Let's face it, she isn't going to be able to give the riveting speeches Evita was so capable of so she is even more dependent on her feminine looks and appeal. So, I really need to know...

what is your case? You didn't state it.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:22 AM
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23. My case is that you're correct...
Eva was head and shoulders above this twit...just for starters, she (Eva) was brilliant...this asshole is downright dopey...she makes Kay Bailey Hutchison look like a Nobel Laureate...
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:08 PM
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122. Sarah Palin was born Feb. 11, 1964.
She will soon be 46 years old. In the next few years, her appearance is going to change a lot. The sex appeal may not work quite so well as time goes on.

Some women age more attractively than others. I suspect she will have a real tough time dealing with maturity. Time is going to slow her down a lot.

She is not a wise woman. She doesn't have the inner calm and humility that helps one to grow old gracefully. I think she is in for a lot of disappointments in the next few years.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:12 AM
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20. I laughed when I heard they were running W. You're right. n/t
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:26 AM
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74. Yea and he didn't win, he f'ing stole it. And I'm sure This Supreme Court would do the same for Sara
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:47 PM
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93. Yep. In a heartbeat. n/t
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:16 AM
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22. Don't forget W. We didn't believe that even Republicans would vote for W,
yet enough people voted for him to make it close enough to steal--twice!
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:42 AM
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26. PC Intern I will interrupt your well thought out diatribe and ask what do I do with my stitches.
I had a root canal then crown followed by low grade infection for 4 years and this week an apicoectomy will these stitches ever dissolve? I do enjoy your thoughts on dear Sarah an empty shell full of nothing but I do fear she has a following based on nothing but nonetheless able to garner the masses. Never say never it can and does happen to the chagrin of those who believe otherwise. PS I find it comforting that you are able to do your own accounting/bookkeeping however cumbersome it is.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 07:34 AM
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42. Are they resorbable sutures?
If not...they don't go away by themselves...be careful not to hurt yurself if you start picking at them...
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 09:42 AM
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51. Buzzard, make sure
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 09:46 AM by dotymed
they cure your infection at all costs...hyperbaric chamber, whatever. That continued infection affects your heart and all of your organs including your ability to recover from the appendectomy. Good Luck.
p.s. if you have to scratch (the itch is bad during healing) your incision, use purell on your hands or sanitize your hands first..

on edit*....infections of the gums are a leading cause of Heart Disease********
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:45 AM
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27. Oh, HELLS yes!
:applause:
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:46 AM
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28. Evangelism never sleeps and make no mistake RW politics is a secular form of evangalism.


All it took was the election of a seemingly
moderate Repubilican from Massechusetts to
get the Ginrich/Populists calling for a
second revolution.

It's no coincidence that they invoke 1776
as a model for the nation the long for....
a nation owned and governed by rich, white,
male, landowners.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 09:54 AM
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54. I think we desperately need
another Constitutional Convention. No already elected officials. Just ordinary citizens, elected specifically for the "convention", which (through a lot of compromise, like the original one's) can write down, present and demand the changes that "we the people" must have. I really do not want a second Revolutionary or Civil War. Whatever it takes, but life is so precious, even if it is a teabaggers...my Grandmother always told me.."Never take something you can't give back."
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:06 AM
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57. America does not need a new revolution. Americans need to cure themselves of the habit

of practicing politics as if it were a religion.

"The Americans combine the notions of religion and liberty
so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible
to make them conceive of one without the other."

Alexis de Tocqueville
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:18 PM
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114. hopefully neither are done with violence
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:21 PM
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87. Rich, white males? That explaines Palin!
Thanks for explaining.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:09 PM
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96. Palin has the biggest testicles in the RW land and she is on her way to being rich
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 01:11 PM by Monk06
Remember Cheney his net worth went from $8 Million
to between $30 and $100 Million while war profiteering
as VP.

She's packin more brass than Limbaugh, Bush and the
whole tribe of RW punditry put together and she's
dumber than all of them.

That's why FReepers love her. She's Reagan in drag
to them.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:14 PM
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98. she's an old ignorant Valley Girl do'n what she is told to do by the Oligarchs..>LINK>>
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Mike K Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:53 AM
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29. George W. Bush appealed -
- to the lesser I.Q. and Sarah Palin will attract the same mentality because water seeks its own level. The average Progressive is more intelligent than the average neo-Conservative and for that reason they tend not to take Palin seriously, which is a mistake.
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:57 AM
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30. Suddenly I'm scared. You are making valid points, where
before there was just dismissal and the rolling of eyes.
A well written rant that is doing its job. I will become more vigilant about the incompetents attempting to steam roll over us while we are smiling at their misspelled signs and the tea bags hanging from their hats.
Because the teabaggers are nothing but the back wash of the back wash of the Republican party.

Recommended
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trackfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:36 AM
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32. I remember rooting for Reagan to get the nomination in 1980
because I was certain that that would ensure a victory for Carter. I could not imagine that people would actually elect that madman.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:54 AM
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34. you know I thought the same thing. but I was living in Santa Cruz a the time
on one level I would want Sarah to run and win the GOP nomination. But I'm not inclined to ever risk tempting fate again.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 05:06 AM
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35. Noriega with a nice tush
Manuel Noriega's School of the Americas evaluations said something like "completely amoral, with no scruples" and the RW thugs & spooks loved him ' til he lost it complately.
I have similar fears about Sarah Palin. She is just bright enough to come across well on TV, especially to folks desperate for "Regan's America" (more illusion than reality), with morals that are just surface gloss over feral cunning. If the backroom boys find the right handler for her, and find anotherr Cheney to handle the scary stuff, she could be real trouble.
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 05:38 AM
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36. With the amount of press she's been getting,
it appears more staged than ever before. I swear, even on liberal radio stations, the news was on alice's tea party with guest speaker palin. Even her clipped little soundbites filled me with dread for this nation. What is wrong with all these people who identify themselves as conservative?! It's as if words have no meaning to them, only sentimental value.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 06:07 AM
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37. So why play their game?
Divide the US into two countries and give them half. Let them screw it up all they want, they'll be happy we'll be safer.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 06:57 AM
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39. we could do that, but
it wouldn't be long before they'd be glancing over at the piece we have and wondering why they couldn't have just a little bit of it.

Until they decided that their half was not enough and they took ours.

Oh there'd be some excuse, like we had wmds, or they were just gonna stay a little while, but all the same they'd want it all.
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 07:14 AM
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40. My parents also sat shiva for Adlai twice. Perfect rant! n/t
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WVRICK13 Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 07:45 AM
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43. I Sure Hope You Are Wrong
but I have to admit you make a lot of sense and it scares the shit out of me. The ignorance of Americans will never cease to amaze me. We have clients in our agency every day receiving food vouchers for the local pantry with Bush stickers and Palin stickers on their cars. Who the hell do they think put them in this mess? They actually believe Obama is to blame. DUMB, DUMB, DUMB
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:08 AM
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58. I am disabled
and on occasion, I have had to rely on our townships trustee for assistance. She is a "dyed in the wool, rethug, conservative. It is her responsibility to make sure that people get as little help as possible. They should help themselves! Kind of hard when you're dying and can barely walk... her daughter is a DOJ (bush appointee, of course Obama kept all of them (?)) who is worried (since Obama) that she may be held legally liable for her past actions. No worries, we cannot look back.....
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 07:48 AM
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44. Scary that her moronic babble resonates with so many & translates as sensible.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 07:48 AM
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45. "Come with me if you want to live"
"These Republicans are like the Terminator...they won't stop, nothing can buy them off, change their minds, anything...until we as a Party are dead. This is how they are programmed...make no mistake about it."

We need a Democratic candidate in '12, who has cajones. Our Kyle Reese, who will state "Come with me if you want to live" and mean it. I'm having my doubts that Obama is that candidate.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 08:15 AM
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46. A Palin presidency would sure make the decision about emigration an easy one.
We had our bags packed and ready to go if McCain one, but if Palin ever won I'd forget the bags and get the hell out the same day.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 09:19 AM
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47. It won't much matter if Palin is elected president
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 09:22 AM by Enthusiast
instead of Mittens, Tim Pawlenty or Newt Gingrich. The results will be the same because the same controlling interests will exert their will.

Let me qualify that. The country will recognize their mistake sooner if Palin would be elected.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 09:22 AM
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48. I disagree...
the propaganda machine would go into high gear and the Dems would be blamed for every shortfall of the Palin misadministration...if you think the Bush people were scary, this "lady" would make him look like Winston Churchill by comparison...
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:41 AM
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63. The propaganda machine
is in high gear this very moment. There are no higher gears until huge corporate money is ramped up before the elections (See SCOTUS decision-5). Any Republican president elected in 2012 will blame Obama until 2016 or 2020, whatever suits them best. And THAT is a fact.

What is Palin going to do? Invade Iran? That is probably on the plate for all potential GOP presidents.

Will she dismantle the social safety net? Like the others she will dismantle it as far as she can-privatize social security.

Blur the distinction between church and state? Like the other candidates she will go as far as she can. She won't try to outlaw abortions are that issue is too valuable to the GOP.

What else ya got?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:33 PM
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91. Invade Iran? Dismantle? Blur?
Those actions are for the weak. Try "destroy", "eliminate", and "illegalize", in that order.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 05:48 PM
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132. You will have to be more specific. nt
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:25 PM
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102. But "huge corporate money" is what funded Obama and the Dems as well...
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 05:47 PM
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131. You ain't seen HUGE
corporate money. Instead of the short swift boat adds there will be 20 minute infomercials on the corruption and ineptitude of progressive candidates.
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 09:46 AM
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53. As my favorite author...
...Robert A Heinlein put it, through his character, Lazarus Long, "NEVER underestimate the power of human stupidity."

What fails to penetrate into the DLC types "brilliant strategies," is that the Teabaggers that they dismiss as if they are irrelevant, have legitimate grievances that NEED addressed. What they don't have, is the REAL information to know who and what is behind the problems they(we) are facing. They(we) see everything they(we) have worked our entire lives for, slipping away, and they(we) are powerless to stop it. Where they and we separate, is that they see "evil" government as the cause and we see responsible government as the solution.

So, Corporacrats dismiss BOTH The Tea Party and Progressives. But what they don't get, is that by doing so, they have sealed their own fate. There's a storm brewing, a big ugly fucking storm, and given the choice between fighting for the corporations or We the People...
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 09:58 AM
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55. K&R
Yeah,surreal and scary because they could elect a ham sandwich so I stopped thinking that she had zero chance to win.:(
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:11 AM
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59. If you ever wonder what we are up against - pay attention nt
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:18 AM
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60. Her victory or defeat is the bellweather for the survival of this nation.
She wins, it's over. Simple as that.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:10 AM
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68. that she's even present in the political arena means....
it's the fourth quarter and we're down by A LOT.

also, she doesn't have to win any election for us to lose. her reactionary and vapid presence and influence is all that is required.
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cheapdate Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:20 PM
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86. I don't agree that the "survival of our nation" is at stake.
I think the 50 states would remain bound together in a constitutional republic. I'm not sure exactly what kind of assholery she would inflict, but I believe we would survive as a nation. There's no doubt that she would do lots of stupid shit. She might even appoint a "witchfinder general". I don't deny the possibility that she might bring about the complete destruction of our nation. I acknowledge that her stubborn ignorance, superstition and paranoia could destroy our nation and many others, but I think that probably wouldn't be the case. She would just do a lot of stupid shit and civilized nations around the globe would just scratch their heads and say, 'Boy, how about those crazy ass Americans?'
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 06:01 PM
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133. I disagree.
The choice of Palin as President *shudder* would be the confirmation of the dying fall. The country would continue its plunge into backwardness, financial ruin, and international irrelevancy. I suspect there would also be a huge brain drain as anyone with a lick of sense would flee to more sensible nations. That's certainly my plan, anyway.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:27 AM
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61. I hear you
If this woman even becomes a legitimate candidate, there is something seriously wrong in this country.

Negative intelligence, I didn't think it was possible for anything to make bu$h look smart.
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:30 AM
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62. I was born during the Cuban Missile Crisis...
My generation was born into a world that could end at any moment. We always were aware of this. At any moment - BOOM! and it's all gone.

One of my earliest vivid memories is of a TV newscaster saying "ONLY 18 of our boys were killed in Vietnam this week..." and thinking that 18 was a HUGE number. My mother spent a night in jail in Chicago '68 for protesting that war.

I remember in about 1984, going up to the roof of the building where I lived with the nice view of midtown Manhattan and thinking "This will be a good place to watch the city get nuked, and then it will only take a moment for the heat wave to take me out too..."

I watched the burning twin towers collapse with my own two eyes from a street corner near my Brooklyn apartment.

And yet... this frighteningly stupid woman who you bring up here actually seems to WANT to end it all, for the sake of her religious dogma. The one thing that I will say positive about Ronald Reagan is that it seems like he was strong enough to stand up to the faction of crazy armageddonists he was surrounded by and not let them get their fingers on the button. The Bush family doesn't believe in any of that crap, they just used the rubes for votes in order to gain fascistic power.

Yet that woman... I shudder at the thought.
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spicegal Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:55 AM
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64. Actually, I've always thought the Republicans were more like the Borg in Star Trek.
They've assembled quite a powerful well oiled machine that thinks and behaves collectively. This all stems from the fundamental conservative belief that there are those meant to rule and be wealthy, and then there is everyone else. The rights of the privileged must therefore be protected at all cost. Conservatives learned at least 30 plus years ago that to gain and maintain power, they would have to convince the ignorant masses to vote against their own best interest, since rich folks are obviously in the minority. What the Republicans have done so effectively is win the hearts and minds of the ignorant masses, like the Palinistas. They did this by building a huge propaganda machine in the form of conservative radio, Fox News, conservative publications, etc. The money in politics has further compounded the problem, making it so that there's little distinguishable difference between the two major parties.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:57 AM
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65. Right, now you want to screw up a Parking Authority somewhere.... n/t
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:06 AM
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66. If anything, Palin and that
whole movement is reminiscent of the Know Nothing Party in the 1840s through 1850s which managed to garner quite a following. It is a variant of American exceptionalism, anti-immigration, anti-government idiocy. With the required dose of "I loves me some Jeebus." In some ways, the times are similar: a sense that the two parties ( then the Whigs and Dems) are absolutely unresponsive, a strong distrust of incumbents, a country undergoing change as to its population makeup and a shift in its national identity, and one of the major parties ( then the Whigs) in utter disarray.

Palin doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting the Republican nomination as either President or Vice. In fact, she really doesn't have a place in the Republican Party in an official sense.I mean, in terms of policy she has none ( not that the Republicans have a policy). At most, she functions as a sideshow to bring out the loons ( sort of the geek biting off the heads of chickens) . But if the Tea Party becomes a party ( and right now it seems to have the same decentralized structure as the Know-Nothings which became the American Party) she could be their nominee ( she and Tancredo - now that would be a trip and a half. Bachmann, Fox, Perry in the cabinet - seriously, does anyone see her as a heavyweight) or at least use that threat with the Republicans as leverage to get whatever it is she wants (and for all i know she could want anything from a new tanning bed on up to a newly created position of "Jesus Christ's Best Buddy on Earth" - guess we need to ask the First Dude what they want).

I think the Republicans have more to be concerned about from her than the Democrats.


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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:10 AM
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67. Running Palin is a perfect strategy for CorpAmerica.
The cabal running this country (CorpAmerica) managed to get Bush in as president. For eight years it was bonus time for them. But the public caught on and wanted change. The cabal isnt stupid, so they put some of their money on the Demo party, buying influence there, hoping for an administration friendly to CorpAmerica. With the Palin party so wacko, conservatives are fleeing her party like mad. Where are they going? They are contaminating the Democratic Party. They are tipping the Party way right. This makes the left irrelevant (a CorpAmerica dream). The Democratic Party can win without the left as long as Palin is running the opposition party. The worse thing that could happen to CorpAmerica is if the Republicans took back their party from the wacko's and ran a true conservative like Goldwater or Eisenhower. And of course the Democrats should take back control of the party from the Arlen Specter new Conserva-Dems.

Possible good news is that people like Palin are not self-sustainable. She will implode sooner or later. I envision her getting engrossed at a speech one day and her right arm will uncontrollably shoot up in the Nazi heil Hitler salute like Dr. Strangelove. I am hoping for 2011.
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ClusterFreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:10 AM
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69. Kicked and rec-the-fuck-ommended!
Sarah Fucking Palin is without a shadow of a doubt, the stupidest, the most woefully unqualified, dangerously unbalanced, nakedly self-serving, brain dead grifting hick in the history of U.S. mainstream politics.

Never, never, never....NEVER....should this horrible woman EVER be allowed to become President.

Shout it from the highest mountaintops and never shut the fuck up about it!

:kick:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:17 AM
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70. "This is how they are programmed...make no mistake about it." True. nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:18 AM
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71. Hey! She wouldn't make a good Administrative Assistant either. Please don't insult a
truly vital profession. There are a whole hell of a lot of "leaders" who would go down in flames without their assistants, sometimes whole rooms full of them.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:19 AM
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72. Good post. Remember too that Johnson finally got what he wanted because he
was the consummate POLITICIAN.

The man knew how kick Republican ass, and he wasn't afraid to do unto them as they did unto us.

It's not pretty, but it works.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:31 AM
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75. There isn't a hand full of people who support sister sarah, the word smith
She makes a good distraction for the media, she provides them with much filler material.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:41 AM
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76. Anything with aTerminator reference gets a rec from me.
And it's true, so there's that. K+R
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:48 AM
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78. The RW's have certainly found the AntiChrist in her! n/t
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:57 AM
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79. NEVER FORGET..that we are controlled by the Oligharcs..politics is a Soap Opera to placate us..>Link
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 12:51 PM by sam sarrha
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woIkIph5xcU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VHNXTBwj80&NR=1

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/08/be_afraid_1.php

the one thing Nader tried to tell us was that less than 100 people possess about as much wealth as the poorest 4-5 billion people combined... the guy that sits at the head of that table is in charge..

we thought that the Bush Family Mafia some how ran things.. but they are simply uncouth, inbred poor relations to the Queen, simple soldiers.

we still don't know who the little man behind the curtain is...

Sarra Palin is just an ignorant Grown up Vally Girl picked to preach divisionest hate/intolerance to the masses who were dumbed down by a manipulated Ed system to a level that could be easily manipulated by emotional stupidity.

http://doggo.tripod.com/doggchrisdomin.html

On December 24, 2001, Pat Robertson resigned his position as President of the Christian Coalition. ...

"...Robertson’s act was symbolic, but it carried a secret and solemn revelation to the faithful. It was the signal that the Bush administration was a government under God that was led by an anointed President who would be the first regent in a dynasty of regents awaiting the return of Jesus to earth. The President would now be the minister through whom God would execute His will in the nation. George W. Bush accepted his scepter and his sword with humility, grace and a sense of exultation. ...

This article is the documented story of how a political religious movement called Dominionism gained control of the Republican Party, then took over Congress, then took over the White House, and now is sealing the conversion of America to a theocracy by taking over the American Judiciary. It’s the story of why and how 'the wrath of God Almighty' will be unleashed against the middle class, against the poor, and against the elderly and sick of this nation by George W. Bush and his army of Republican Dominionist “rulers.”

As Antonin Scalia, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court explained a few months later, the Bible teaches and Christians believe '… that government …derives its moral authority from God. Government is the "minister of God" with powers to "revenge", to "execute wrath", including even wrath by the sword…'

Dominionism is a natural if unintended extension of Social Darwinism and is frequently called “Christian Reconstructionism.” Its doctrines are shocking to ordinary Christian believers and to most Americans. Journalist Frederick Clarkson, who has written extensively on the subject, warned in 1994 that Dominionism 'seeks to replace democracy with a theocratic elite that would govern by imposing their interpretation of "Biblical Law".' He described the ulterior motive of Dominionism is to eliminate '…labor unions, civil rights laws, and public schools.' Clarkson then describes the creation of new classes of citizens:

'Women would be generally relegated to hearth and home. Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed. So severe is this theocracy that it would extend capital punishment blasphemy, heresy, adultery, and homosexuality.'
....snip

...Significantly, Dominionism is a form of Social Darwinism.<48> It inherently includes the religious belief that wealth-power is a sign of God’s election. That is, out of the masses of people and the multitude of nations, wealth, in and of itself, is thought to indicate God’s approval on men and nations whereas poverty and sickness reflect God’s disapproval.

(It was not until I read this article that I realized that this is a fundamental tenet of Dominionists.

Worldly wealth and power are signs of God's favor -- to attempt to limit or decrease one's wealth and power is to disrespect God.

On the contrary, God's elect on Earth are called upon to increase their wealth and power.

It is not sufficient for a man to be a millionaire, or for a country to have sovereignty within its borders -- a man must strive to increase his wealth as much as possible, and a Dominionist government's behavior toward its neighbors must be "invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity".

Furthermore, any attempt to decrease a person's or a country's wealth and power -- to take from the rich to give to the poor, to reduce military spending and power -- is a direct attack on God.)

If “Secular Humanists are the greatest threat to Christianity the world has ever known,” as theologian Francis Schaeffer claimed, then who are the Humanists? According to Dominionists, humanists are the folks who allow or encourage licentious behavior in America. They are the undisciplined revelers. ...snip

“At the other end of the curve, the poor man who steals is eventually caught and sold into bondage under a successful person. His victim receives payment; he receives training; his buyer receives a stream of labor services. If the servant is successful and buys his way out of bondage, he re-enters society as a disciplined man, and presumably a self-disciplined man. He begins to accumulate wealth.” ..snip"
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 05:04 PM
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127. Very interesting. Thanks for posting. nt
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:57 AM
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80. A Palin Presidency is a "clear and present danger"
My personal narrative about the state of the nation includes an electorate that is completely capable of tearing themselves away from Fox News, reality television, cage fighting, professional wrestling and the mindless pursuit of happiness through acquisition of cheap goods manufactured in overseas sweat shops long enough to go to the polls and elect the likes of Palin.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:15 PM
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85. she is a Dominionist..
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:30 PM
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90. There are a lot like her in Alaska
I found myself in a middle of a conversation among people with such ideas in a fishing and hunting shop a while back.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:04 PM
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95. gun clubs are major propaganda mills.. i have updated the Caliber of my Homes Security System to 9mm
since i have been participating in Politically Incorrect blogs about Religious/Politically Racially Supremest groups actively involved in Global Domination. i go to the range quite often and have to deal with another Fascist supremest group.. probably created by the Oligarchs to draw focus away from the real threat..

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InfiniteThoughts Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:14 PM
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82. I want to start a PALIN PAC ...
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 12:14 PM by InfiniteThoughts
I solicit contributions from the entire world to teach Sarah Palin some "common-sense" English.

Exhibit A: In the Fox News interview with Chris Wallace, she said "I'm just appreciative of having some good information at my fingerprints now". Seriously. I don't joke. :wtf:

I am not sure that Letterman, Leno and others will contribute as it will take away their most important & easiest source of jokes, but i am sure other liked-minded & "common-sense" folks like me will be more than happy to get a world-class teacher for Sarah ...
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:17 PM
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101. then she couldnt be used to brainwash th ignorant Dumbed down public school masses for the Oligarchs
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 05:08 PM
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128. Her blatant ignorance endears her to her base. nt
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Boudica the Lyoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:14 PM
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83. Example; Cathy McMorris Rodgers
Unfortunately I've known her for about 15 years. She's now a Republican Congressman.
She's as dumb as a rock and has been inventing and reinventing a history for herself as she goes along. She is so stupid and inept she makes Palin look like a bloody genius. Lies pour from this idiots mouth.

About 10 years ago, when McMorris was a state legislator, someone on a local right wing radio mentioned she should run for congress. My husband and I laughed at the idea of her going outside her very crazy right wing legislative district to campaign. We both hoped she would run one day so she would be exposed to some real scrutiny and be laughed out of public office. Well the RNC did one hell of a job on her campaign, she had people like the former Senator Slade Gordon sending out letters of endorsement. The other very well qualified GOP candidates from the 'big city' were beat by large margins in the primary.

We now have a complete moron in Tom Foley's old seat! Not long after she was in congress I read that a poll was taken within the GOP and she was voted 8th of all the people they'd like to see in the White House!!!!

So no, I don't want to see Palin run for president because she may win.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:14 PM
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84. Just 5 minutes ago on NPR the reporter (I forget his name but he's one I normally respect)
when talking about her Teabagger Party speech, called her a "genuine conservative hero" or icon or whatever. I got so furious at the fawning adoration I turned NPR OFF!!!!!!!!
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:22 PM
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88. It's just the 'beginning'...n/t
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:01 PM
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111. I was thinking the same thing listening to npr
what sell-outs
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:24 PM
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89. For some reason, your background information reminded me of some footage I saw in Capitalism
Capitalism: A Love Story
Merill Lynch CEO Donald Regan, who essentially bought a spot on Reagan’s cabinet, whispering for the new president to “hurry it up” during a speech.
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:47 PM
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92. she's just a distraction like american idol
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 12:48 PM by veganlush
while the real threat, the complete surrender of the Democrats, continues un-abated, with November looming large...:nuke: :scared: :grr: :cry: :banghead: :hide: :yoiks:
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:03 PM
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94. K & R, and do not be sorry about shouting
As for Palin becoming a national figure, that blame goes to John (boy) McCain. We can thank his stupid uninformed ass for that transgression!
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:09 PM
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97. McCain cant remember if he's craped his pants or not, he is just a pawn of the Oligarchs, do'n what
he is told to do.. he just fills a chair and when he's told to vote he votes as told and Goose Steps out..
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:16 PM
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99. None of this surprises me. Look at how
we as a nation were swept up into the IRaq invasion hysteria when nothing tangible except exhortations from the media and the Bush/cheney gang really supported it.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:39 PM
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104. that is the perfect analogy
the terminator. i tend to agree with you. she must be considered a threat. it is mind boggling but there it is.

well, consider that they got 600 or maybe just over 1,000 live bodies out to see her, and she was broadcast on how many networks plus cspan?? it's amazing how many people are so ill-informed themselves and so lacking in critical thinking skills that her contradictions and lies are simply ignored.

well put rant. k and r
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:40 PM
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105. To Defeat Repubs We Have To Give Them A Virus... That Separates Them From Corp $$$$
As long as they are the bought and paid water-carriers for the corporate and elite super rich, we won't be able to rid ourselves of them.

Cut off the corporate and special interest $$ through campaign finance reform and they become just another political party with election aspirations.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:41 PM
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106. K and R!
I can sympathize with people who are angry at Obama; yes, he does need to deprogrammed from Chicago, however, those of who that think that Palin cannot get elected are foolish, almost as foolish as the rednecks that would make her queen.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:50 PM
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107. So what do we do about it? What is their biggest fear?
The numbers. They're a dying economic and social power. Obama scares them because he's a different color.
Their percentage of the population no longer secures their domination of politics. We have to focus on bringing
all those that are not represented by Hee Haw politics into the process. If we could step away for a moment we'd
see that they are the ones terrified and that's why they've latched onto the only person they see as one of their own.

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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:51 PM
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108. Ever 'corner' a rat?
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 01:52 PM by PCIntern
It ain't pretty...they go right for your neck and face.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:55 PM
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109. The total apathy that the students exhibit
in the civics classes that my wife teaches, is indicative of the how and why of Palin's popularity. The wife's best efforts as well as "dumbing down" the material she has to present, are a reflection of how disinterested and uninformed our citizens are. And if a nearly 70% course fail rate wasn't bad enough, the kids parents RARELY seem bothered that their darlings will have to retake the course in summer school. Naturally, summer school being only 6 weeks long - the emphasis is on just showing up as opposed to the expectation of LEARNING something during the lengthy, winter semesters. And WHAT TO DO to hammer some notion of caring about how their country is run??? Is it a failing of my wife's ability to present the stuff? I'm here to tell you that she's probably one of the most dedicated, and stick-to-the-topic teachers in our fairly large school district. It's VERY discouraging to her to see repetitive efforts and revisions of her material fall on deaf ears - time and time again.
Would my wife fare well if her "results" were tied to compensation? Not likely. And there's no pressure on her from above, because the higher ups recognize the imposssible task she faces. You simply can not make these kids drink the water when you've lead them to it. They HAVE to have a thirst inspired in them and that starts in the home.
Have I wandered from what I wanted to say? No. These kids are gonna go vote for the likes of Palin because they're gonna swallow whole, the simple-sounding approaches that hide the true aims of whatever group she manages to "lead". And those inclinations for such swallowings, at least for THIS area (central Calif), are because these little ignoramuses are the spawn of blood red conservative matings.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:59 PM
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110. Its far more surreal than simple surreality is able to explain; and when considering the way light
transits a lens...it is all upside down on top of it and not merely surreal though I do hear you talking just fine, and so: republicans, as sensually repressed creatures coursing for new/various ways in which to express it - their inadequacy, self hate and separation anxiety - that when Limbaugh, their premier face-of-the-GOP misogynist first touted this woman, Sarah Palin, he did so by pointing out that she had 'well defined ankles' 'babal-icious appeal', and so forth. And while I'm not so detached from 'the packaging' being appealing, color balanced, cutesier & fluffy otherwise easy on that worn, personal chafe somewhere its the tinsy-tiny little print of warnings on the label about deathly/brain dead effects on Rhesus monkeys that persuade me to remain disinclined to purchase the product regardless even on a 3 for .10Ct coupon


These Beck', and Limbaugh', and Palin', and Brown' are just the cardboard cutouts. The game at that level is power & money. It is embarrassing to hear Limbaugh absolutely stutter and stumble through sentence after sentence for 2 & 3 days *until* something makes a blip or starts to stick. Day after day, especially these days they have nothing to say and they know it. They know it so well cause the answers are writ on the easy-to-ref palms of their hands. They are the new ones - The Weeny Babies

But when the MIC went shopping for world-citizenry during WWII they were enamored with the shaved-head-blitzkrieg-discipline the Wehrmacht were able to bring when so many Americans cared so little for such disciplines preferring to stay home wear Bobby Socks, drink malted milk and become an economic actuaries

They were not *not* aware that the Wehrmacht traveled on the repressed, strikingly violent fantasies of one Adolf Hitler, and that there is a connection between that madman, shaved heads, unasked and so unanswered questions, and the purchase of that world-citizenry they've sought as the unknowing profits and fodder for their MIC, but that was that...

Until they reached into the Coliseum of Mussolini's Rome and found their contemporaneous cruise missile: Cicciolina

Biology

Cicciolina’s Sexual Politics

A Porn Star Uses Sex as Her Claim to Power

Should women use their sexuality for political gain? Or is it better to avoid this route to power?

One woman who famously used her sexuality as a political tool was Hungarian-born Ilona Staller, best known as the Italian adult film star, Cicciolina. In 1987, 20,000 people in the district of Rome hand-wrote her name on their ballots, preferring her over forty-seven other Radical Party nominees. Cicciolina's political campaign included striptease, live snakes as props, and her signature flashing of breasts.

Many saw Cicciolina's exhibitionism, promiscuous persona and victory at the polls as a national embarrassment. Although she is unofficially credited with establishing one of Europe's first green parties, she had little political experience when she got elected to the Italian parliament. And lest anyone forget that sexuality was her claim to power, she acted in an adult movie while serving her term.

But many others recognized that she was using sexuality not only to get elected, but also to poke fun at the hypocrisy she saw in the Italian government. Italian writer Umberto Eco is reported to have said of Cicciolina's election, "Immorality for immorality; we've seen worse." Eco was alluding to the famously and chronically corrupt Italian government overrun by thieves, convicted criminals and mafia-sympathizers.

http://www.imow.org/wpp/stories/viewStory?storyId=1205

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuVG0F_oorM


As bad as it truly is: republicans have been doing much worse things than even forcing wages down for decades now, representation without taxation and low or no wages are part of their grid. But they've been forcing the integrity of public service down into the gutter for much longer than that


Sarah Palin is just the next one down in that trough, and the baggers are trying to be American versions of the very best Germans they can be


And no! I will not post that pic of Brown...that I leave to his wife after she's done laughing like a horse at the sound of her husband auctioning off their daughters for squirts, giggles and political profit at a podium in public
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:04 PM
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112. TPTB will make who ever they want president.
in regards to palin, I just wonder if she's really a blond trying to hide it with brown dye:shrug:
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:05 PM
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113. Thank Bill Kristol, her idiot mentor and
corporate media who love to whore Palin.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:33 PM
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115. As long as we keep talking about her
She becomes something big. She gave a speech for a group of 600 irrational idiots and it's all over the news, the internet and even DU. When she speaks, we all react. I try to ignore her and avoid reading about her ridiculous comments. I just can't understand why we empower her the way we do by reacting. When we stop talking about her, she will quietly go away. Until then, remain pissed if that's what you want to do.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:51 PM
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116. Fucking A
Although in terms of absolute evil, Reagan and Bush (both of them) got her beat, but give the stupid fucker time and power. She has a lot of support from a lot of people who consistently vote against the best interests of humanity itself, or may, perhaps be simple boneheads; but who *DO* vote as well as they breed. And they organize like the wrath of God.

I Take NOTHING for granted.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:52 PM
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117. Sad but so True. Rec #243. P.S. I got to watch the same movie. No reruns, please. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:55 PM
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118. One good thing to be said for Palin, she makes obvious how desperate GOP really is . ..
and how difficult to recruit anyone corrupt enough for them who doesn't need

full time assistance to keep them from revealing how shallow and uninformed they are!

With Bush, they had to mike him so that the info would come out of his ear vs his ass!

I'm not seeing any of this stuff on TV, but it does bug me that Olberman and Maddow show

so much of Palin and Gingrich.

The capitalists/GOP are not only destroyers -- they are suicidally destructive and will take

all of us with them!!

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:32 PM
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120. PCIntern, Your observations are sound. Your worries are mine.
K&R.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:05 PM
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121. Sorry but their determination is to be admired. If we had HALF
the loyalty and determination they have we'd be a helluva lot better off. As I said in a similar post, we'll just sit back and watch it happen. Life in this country will TRULY SUCK, then. But it will go on.:evilgrin:
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:26 PM
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123. "She's a bimbo McCain picked to get Hillary voters!"
I said that seconds after she got picked. How wrong was I? And how smart was McCain, the womanizer?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:38 PM
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125. Like genuine Hillary supporters voted for her? Gimme a break.
There is absolutely no comparison between these two women.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 08:15 PM
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138. he picked her to excite the mostly white male Rethug base
and succeeded in doing that.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 05:00 PM
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126. She's a prickly glove. She's not the hand of power. nt
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 05:39 PM
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130. I love the idea of re-naming this Progresive Underground
then we could grow & turn into a ACTIVE, forcefull movement.
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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:28 PM
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145. Love both ideas
That of renaming the site, and especially growing a powerful progressive movement larger, stronger, and more committed than any corporately manufactured fake grass roots fraud.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 05:08 PM
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129. Getting scarier and scarier....
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 06:17 PM
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134. The corporate money, republican media & republican Supreme Court put the idiot George W Bush
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 06:27 PM by GreenTea
in office and the republicans are pounding away lying, trashing and filling all media with bullshit about Obama to discredit him, the republicans tactic of just say no to everything, holding up appointments & policy, with obstruction....

All in order to bring in another of their idiot republican spokesperson for the continued corporate fascism of our country, can they do it with Palin?

It really doesn't matter who it is, the republicans must do it this way because they have no sell-able ideas or agenda, they have to use other tactics as always lying, cheating & stealing....

The republicans simply want a spokesperson (NOT a brilliant mind, someone who can sell with their corporate bullshit) and set corporate policy all via image....remember how the republican sell it...."no difference between a republican or democrat (they push this every election it helps the republicans immensely) how most people would like to have a beer with Bush...you know good old boy wouldn't hurt a fly until he got in office and did everything possible for the corporations interest over the peoples & workers....REAGAN was exactly the same...no great political mind, but a fine salesman, huckster who sold the country bullshit and CORPORATISM and union busting.

To assume the republicans can't do it with Palin is being as stupid as we Dems have been in the past and still haven't learned a thing about republican tactics....Republicans will use corporate money, their powerful media, the stacked courts along with lies, smears & distortions, the dense single issue voters, to go along with the republicans stealing votes electronically (Dems still haven't done shit about the easily hackable, untraceable voting machines) as well as using voter purging, and other slimy tactics we've seen the republicans use, all to squeeze in another republican huckster robot into the presidency.

Yes indeed the republicans can do it and they are DEFINITELY working on it each and every day.
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 06:31 PM
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135. Behold a Pale (n) horse. Just sayin......n/t
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Vermontgrown Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 07:49 PM
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136. I was absolutely
dumbfounded at the amount of last nights coverage by the media. They followed that stupid bitch like she was the second coming...There is a coming civil war kids...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 08:02 PM
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137. "had to listen to my parents sit shiva for Adlai twice..." +++++++
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 08:19 PM
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139. i personally cannot stand her,
but i can understand some people liking her. but liking her and putting her in public office are 2 different things. she is in no way qualified. now we're finding out that it was probably "first dude" making the decisions as governor.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 09:03 PM
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140. Seldom in real life do you defeat opponents permanently.

Well, maybe if murder were involved. But really, once you vanquish somebody politically, their followers do not go away. They'll get a plan B and come back.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 09:29 PM
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141. Well... that's it, then... It's on to Idiocracy...
...."I'm Secretary of State, brought to you by Carl's Jr."

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2682654/idiocracy_opening_sequence/
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:08 PM
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142. These type of people are traitors to their fellow man....
and to the nation.
There is nothing good that ever came from the Republican party that ever helped the working class.
The sad thing now is that now both parties are letting us down.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:38 PM
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143. She's Obama's re-election insurance. Her nomination to _anything_
guarantees his second term.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:41 PM
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144. So your head will most likely explode when she ...
Merges the Tea baggers, libertarians, constitutionalists and conservatives into the new POPULIST party. Charges Progressives as Communists and Socialists that are bankrupting America and takes over the country.

I have warned this many times and that is why I saw a lot of evil in the way that the HCR legislation was working its way along in Congress.

Imagine a country controlled by this new POPULIST movement with Palin as President that vows to use the full power of Government to cure all of their Perceived Social Ills...

Nightmare indeed.

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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:31 PM
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146. Just a shill
like Steele, I'll bet,for some Great White Male Hope they will come up with by 2012.

She is a damn good excuse for why Women probably are not the best to run things and Steele for Blacks if you are looking for those kind of "excuses".
Repugs embrace diversity but make sure they are incompetents.
The people who vote Repug are so easily manipulated they will forget all about their love 4 Palin if Repugs market the right GWMH enuf.
I am so afraid either way - Palin or the unknown, and all that "2012 end of world as we know it" Mayan stuff so I'm freaked too - anything can happen - life is surreal!!
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Fight the Right Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:48 PM
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147. Get our shit together
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 11:49 PM by Fight the Right
I'm tired of a minority of people having so much control over this democracy. Some idiot in a Hoveround is going to decide your future because they "got theirs" and don't want to pay for "socialism" even though they want to save Medicare and Social Security.

You think these people are fucken angry?

But what do we do about it? We sit there and take it because we don't want to risk our careers or don't have the time. We wait, hoping someone else will do it for us.

Where are the organizations? Where are our grassroots movements? The politicians only want to ask us for money.

I'll follow anyone, ANYONE, that wants to punch these people right in the face. ANYONE that wants to confront these morons and show them their opinion is in the minority. Tell me where I can find people with backbones.

Get strong brothers and sisters.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 11:51 PM
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148. ". . . sit shiva for Adlai . . . " WTF does that mean?
I've never heard that expression in my life.
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