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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:38 PM
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Mentally disabled 'self-advocates' oppose use of word 'retarded' (PC run amok?)
by Michael Alison Chandler
The Washington Post
February 5, 2010

A national movement to purge the word "retarded" from lawbooks and medical terminology is nearing success, gaining support this week from White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, who apologized to advocates for the disabled for using the term during a private meeting last summer.

The campaign is led in part by the mentally disabled themselves, who are increasingly politically organized and eager to escape the stigma associated with the term.

"It's a time of change," said Jill Eglé, co-executive director of the Arc of Northern Virginia, a support group for the disabled, who spearheaded a campaign to change the state code in Virginia.

The words "retarded" and "retard" feel threatening, she said. Eglé identifies herself this way: "I am a powerful leader with an intellectual disability."

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/04/AR2010020402602_pf.html

Instead, advocates support "intellectual disability". I wonder if this is proper linguistic revisionism or excessive political correctness. To be honest, we shouldn't deny the existence of people who are totally out of their minds in addition to those who at least have some conscience.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:40 PM
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1. Okay...
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:40 PM
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2. Why should this be considered PC run amok
I think that they have a valid point.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:43 PM
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3. Yep. The 'PC' meme was used by the Right Wing to denigrate liberals who believed people deserved
respect and opposed the scapegoating of groups of people. Nice to see Democrats have bought into it. The march to the right continues.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:43 PM
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4. It's the like the black folks who tried to declare the N-word "dead" in their own community:
Once a word is out there, it's pretty hard to stuff that genie back into the bottle.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:46 PM
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5. If people who object to being labeled this way, how is that "PC run amok"?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:47 PM
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6. I think we usually call "PC run amok" common courtesy.
Edited on Fri Feb-05-10 02:47 PM by EFerrari
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:49 PM
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8. Yup.
Even just plain ol' "PC." I can never understand how people think I lose if someone says to me, "Please don't call me that, it's hurtful," so I stop using a certain term.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:47 PM
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7. 'Conscience'? I don't think you're using English very well
And who are these people "totally out of their minds"? That's a phrase normally used for the violently insane. I think your understanding of this area is practically zero. Quit digging the hole you're in.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:52 PM
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9. "I am a powerful leader with an intellectual disability."
This is The Onion, right? Or was that a quote from George Bush?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:06 PM
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15. Neither.
I personally know someone to whom that phrase would apply perfectly.
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marybourg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:52 PM
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10. Physician heal thyself. The "r" in Arc, formerly "ARC" , Association
for Retarded Citizens, stands for"retarded". That was their own choice for their name. See:

http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=403
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:02 PM
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13. that was before it became a pejorative
As the family member of an adult retarded young woman, I can vouch for the fact that when someone on television uses the word "retard" or "tard" or "retarded" as an insult or in a negative context, she is stung by it.

I've spoken out for years on this matter.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:05 PM
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14. That's why The Arc is no longer capitalized
Edited on Fri Feb-05-10 03:05 PM by KamaAina
Now it's just "The Arc", with -- what else -- an arc in its logo. It'd be better if they changed it, like AAMR did under pressure from self-advocates; it's now AAIDD, the 'American Association for Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities".
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:07 PM
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18. Surprisingly, things have changed since the 1950s. (nt)
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:59 PM
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11. Whatever. Is being 'not able' that much better than being 'slow?'
This is, literally, what they want - to replace the word for "slow" or "slowed" with a word that means "not able." Brilliant. This makes about as much sense as the instruction physicians received in the 90s regarding their dictation - don't say "the patient's complaint," instead say "the condition for which the patient seeks attention." Fuck, now that attention-seeking is its own derogatory term (thanks Tila Tequila, Paris Hilton and Cindy Sheehan!), what are physicians supposed to say anymore? Language nazis suck.



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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:00 PM
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12. Sorry I couldn't reply earlier. A defective keyboard retarded my ability to respond. . .
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:06 PM
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16. what the hell does this sentence mean???
"To be honest, we shouldn't deny the existence of people who are totally out of their minds in addition to those who at least have some conscience."

????

Do you think that retarded people are "totally out of their minds"?
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:23 PM
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21. Thank you nt
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:46 PM
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28. NOT ALL of them!
I can't believe I'm having to defend myself here, unless I am really that ill-informed and everyone else on this board knows better.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:07 PM
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17. Many self-advocates view the word as am offensive slur akin to the N-word
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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:13 PM
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19. There is something of a difference
Using the "n" word as a slur implies there is something undesirable about being black. This is an assumption that should have no basis in reality.

Using the "r" word as a slur implies there is something undesirable about being congnitively disabled. However, this is largely true.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 06:41 PM
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37. What? There is nothing undesirable about being black, but is about being congnitively (sic) disabled
where to start? Try again.
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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 08:42 PM
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43. What are you having trouble understanding?
Perhaps I can address your argumetn if you are more specific.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:21 PM
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20. I rage against the word personally. Just threw all my flame retardant out of my shop last night
I wont tolerate people casting dispersions on God's special blessed children.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:25 PM
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22. Amok this: people who complain about having to be "PC" to alter their pejoratives suck.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:26 PM
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24. +1000000000000
Thank you!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 06:59 PM
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39. ...
:yourock: :applause: :yourock:

from the DU "bum" :hi:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 07:01 PM
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40. Best reply on the whole thread!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: kudos
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 08:55 PM
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44. We finally agree on something
:thumbsup:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 03:53 PM
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45. It had to happen!
:toast:
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:26 PM
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23. "Out of their minds"
Wow. You have a lot to learn about people with cognitive disabilities.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:31 PM
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25. If I was you I'd skip the editorializing from now on.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:32 PM
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26. So, let me get this straight
You're upset because you're not clever enough to think of an alternate adjective for "stupid"? Has it ever occurred to you that winning the hip-kids-humor-war is a fairly sad life goal?
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:42 PM
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27. I'm just wondering if there's any reality basis in revising retardation terminology
That was my concern when I read "purging 'retarded' from textbooks" in the article. Apparently, in the near future "retard" will be just as derogatory and immature a term as "idiot" and "moron" and heck even a bit light compared with "feebleminded". The medical condition is called "mental retardation". Look that term up on Wikipedia. In fact, many of the archaic terms "predate psychiatry".

Sometimes, I question whether academia is really being honest or has a hidden agenda.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:53 PM
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29. Hidden agenda for what?
Are you in school to become a mental health/neurologic professional? Because those are the primary fields of study where that word is/was used with any regularity. Do you honestly think educators and students in those fields are harmed because of the omission of an archaic term? Do you realize how your argument is ridiculous?
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 04:02 PM
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31. I'm not studying psychology, but I just wanna know how to avoid offending others in my discourse
after reading this article. If I ever end up discussing mental illness somewhere I don't someone pointing me out for being insensitive. However, I do thank you and others for pointing me out in this forum.

No, I don't think that educators/students are harmed by terms becoming archaic. The question is: where do you draw the line between acceptable and offensive words to describe people with certain mental conditions?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 04:18 PM
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32. I would think after this thread
..you would know one word that should not be used. :hi:
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 04:23 PM
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33. Haha, yeah. Normally I'd use "retard" only if discussing psychology. But now...
Edited on Fri Feb-05-10 04:23 PM by alp227
...great minds, they are a-changin'.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 06:44 PM
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38. People with mental illnesses are retarded? WTF?
Edited on Fri Feb-05-10 06:45 PM by uppityperson
"out of their minds"
"those who at least have some conscience"

What the fuck? Developmentally delayed people are what? Stupid? Out of their minds? Have no conscience? Or do you mean people with mental health issues? Are they out of their minds? Do they have no conscience?

You are mixing up 2 different conditions and throwing in slurs, adding in a strawman (we shouldn't deny the existence) and wonder why DU is objecting?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 08:06 PM
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41. the same place you draw the line regarding physical disabilities!!
Do you use the word "crip"?????

Do you use the word "droolers"????

Do you insult epileptics?

What about those who can't walk?

Those with major birth defects?

The blind? The deaf?

Do you get it yet?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:07 AM
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46. A good alternative for "stupid" is "Palin"
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 03:59 PM
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30. a step in the right direction.
retarded-retard is offensive. my wife works for people who are mentally and or psychically disabled or handicapped .
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 05:42 PM
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35. mentally disabled is at least correct
i have a problem with PC, when in fact, it is POLITCALLY CORRECT but not FACTUALLY correct.

that is where the problem with PC is.

example: some people used the term "differently abled"

THAT is politically correct, but not factually correct. if you have an IQ of 80, you are not "differently abled".

ditto for some people in the hearing impaired culture who refuse to recognize deafness as a disability. and yes, they are out there.


this is the kind of anti-scientific, illogical, emotions above logic PC that needs to be criticized

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 04:36 PM
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34. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Ms Egle seems to use
words with more skill than you do. That last sentence of yours is a dilly.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 06:24 PM
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36. The ignition in my car is retarded
So's my mechanic.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 08:12 PM
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42. It's just as offensive as the N word
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