facebook group: "Making Drug Tests required to Get Welfare"

[galledgoblin]

I normally don't give a damn about dumb fan pages on facebook, (let's all be fans of slactivism!), but this one makes me pretty ill.

and it's close to 1.5 million "fans".

what's really disgusting is how many people I have seen that I know to be logical, fairly left-leaning, intelligent folks who have become "fans" of this unconstitutional, discriminatory idea.

if you can stomach it: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Making-Drug-Tests-required-to-Get-Welfare/170211991858

anyone have any bullet points written up? I'm thinking of making a parody page "Making Drug Tests required to Get Corporate Welfare" or something along those lines.

[bluestateguy]

1. How about fingerprinting welfare recipients?

Many states do just that, to make getting welfare as humiliating as possible.

[galledgoblin]

3. NY does that just to get food stamps

I didn't have to because I could not take the time off work, but most are required to be fingerprinted.

[Mojambo]

2. Same here. Pretty much all my friends have joined this

It's the children of people on drugs who suffer when welfare is denied.

A kid doesn't have any choice on whether his parent is addicted to drugs.

[LeftyAndProud60]

10. Exactly. I really don't see anything wrong w/ this if it has the support of different people. If its

just old angry white people, it may be a problem. I've seen Welfare abused by a lot of people for a lot of different reasons. Some people even take their welfare check and buy drugs with it. Use food stamps and buy drugs. And their kids are starving.

[Mojambo]

17. I have no problem with drug treatment being offered, and perhaps made mandatory

if a welfare recipient is found to be habitually abusing drugs, but a flat out denial based on drug testing is draconian and ultimately will hurt children.

[FLyellowdog]

18. I think any person receiving a paycheck should be drug tested first...

It's obvious that many people use their paychecks to purchase illegal drugs. We have to stop this behavior anyway we can. So whether it's welfare or regular pay, pee in the cup.

PBP...Pee Before Payment. Simple.

Is the sarcasm icon even needed here? You decide.:shrug:

[FLDCVADem]

19. I already do get drug tested

Prior to employment and randomly thereafter.

[FLyellowdog]

21. So does my husband.

But not because of a morality/legal problem, but because his job is very specialized and requires a clear head. :hi:

[Socal31]

28. Wait...

What does race have to do with this? Sheesh....

[seabeyond]

4. that is keeping big govt out of our business..... nt

[jmm]

5. Why not drug test everybody?

We all benefit from tax dollars. It would be more fair than singling out the poor who have less resources to fight false positives or get treatment if they are addicted to any illegal substances.

[galledgoblin]

8. sounds logical to me!

I don't want my tax dollars going to any drug users! :sarcasm:

[Lisa0825]

6. Yeah, a local candidate I actually liked joined that group. She lost my primary vote. nt

[Luminous Animal]

7. We are a mean selfish society.

[voc]

30. +1

[DBoon]

9. So they are going to drug test everyone at Goldman Sachs?

I hope their cocaine meters go that high

[Maru Kitteh]

11. Funny thing - the only people on my FB who became fans are formerly drug-abusing welfare recipients.

Such tests would have disqualified them for the assistance they and their children needed at the time.

OH - the hypocrisy.

[jmm]

26. I noticed that too.

It's like living with a slob who washes the dishes onces then gives you the I better not ever see anything in this sink speech. Just because they may finally have started getting their lives together doesn't give them the right to start denying other people and their children food and a roof over their heads.

[Maru Kitteh]

27. Yuh huh. Glad is wasn't just me.

[angrycarpenter]

12. I fight it out with those people on Polls all the time

They are such talking points parrots that I seriously wonder why I do it sometimes. I guess it is because the liberals on there are so outnumbered that I feel I must help them present their case. I have quit so many discussion boards because the liberals fail to back each other up when all of the conservatives gang up on them. I won't put my real name on this board but if you go there you might recognize the well reasoned man with a firm grasp of the issues thanks to DU.

[Lex]

13. I saw one "Make Parents Get Drug Tested Before Their Kids Get Free Lunch."

Or something to that effect. I'd love to smack someone in their pie-hole over that one.

[galledgoblin]

14. WOW. if I'd seen that, I would have laughed because I would have

thought it a parody... then headdesked when I realized it wasn't.

[XemaSab]

15. I think using drugs is morally reprehensible

So... does anyone have any? :shrug:

[iamjoy]

16. Make Drug Tests Required to Run for Office

now there's a suggestion....

oh, and i'm totally on board with requiring drug tests for corporate welfare and bailouts too.

[gratuitous]

20. Making drug tests required to start a facebook group

Nah, we probably couldn't get enough people to take drugs just to start a group on facebook.

[brewens]

22. I can't support anything that infringes on our 4th amendment rights.

I do see how people that have to pass drug tests to work for a living feel that way though. It certainly has more logic than some of the stuff right-wingers fall for.
At the moment I can hear (if I try) the neighbors partying. A woman on public assistance and two or three guys she lets hang around and drink. None of them work for a living and it goes on all the time. Anyway you look at it they use our tax dollars to buy their alcohol. I wish we could stop that somehow.

[galledgoblin]

23. find them a job with a living wage.

who wants to drink if you'll have to work the next day with a hangover?

[KonaKane]

24. Shall we follow this through?

OK, lets. So let's drug test all the CEO's middle managers and others involved in taking bailout money. Every company, in every industry. That is a form of welfare, is it not? Let's test them for everything. Even the joints they probably had after a hard day's attempt to cope with an economy in the dumps.

So how is this gonna shake out for you?

[galledgoblin]

25. um, did you read the OP?

I'm not at all in favor of this group, it physically makes me sick. I am pretty tired, did I garble that somehow?

[fujiyama]

29. .

[zbdent]

31. probably be a surprisingly larger than expected number of

TeaBag partiers who wouldn't be eligible for welfare either ...

aren't "red" areas quite likely to have meth labs these days?

[Mari333]

32. they dont include Corporate Welfare?

pity

[hollowdweller]

33. Think about this

I work for a gov't program not welfare.

When we schedule them for an exam they usually have 2 weeks to a month notice of the exam.

If they miss the exam we are required to reschedule them at least once.

OK so most drugs are out of the system in a couple days.

I have a friends who tested themselves and it took 10 days for THC to clear the system.

So really this idea would only catch hard core addicts unless you sent a nurse randomly to the home and tested them right then. Probably half of those people would not be home and you'd have to come back after they had got the heads up.

I think tons of people on gov't programs spend their money on drugs. I also think drugs contribute to their unemployed status. However this program won't work.

[Orsino]

34. "You have joined the Facebook group I Really Just Hate Black People." n/t

[marmar]

35. There are more white welfare recipients than black ones.

But I'm sure that is the ignorance-fueled sentiment behind this Facebook page.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. One of the MO reps started a FB conversation on this topic

Blew me away how many responded that they didn't like spending THEIR money on welfare recipients who took drugs. Or that they didn't support the poor so they could take drugs.

Why do people think tax dollars are THEIR money? :crazy:

[nonconformist]

37. Some of my friends have joined this and invited me to join too

Some of them didn't surprise me by joining, but a few did. So I decided to ask one of my level-headed friends why. He said, and I quote "almost all jobs require drug testing, so if I have to piss in a cup to earn a living, so should they."

I "ignored" the invite, btw.