Here's a "scientist" that tells me how things came about ...

[Maat]

see, all of you DUers are wrong!

:evilgrin: :sarcasm:

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A former evolutionist who now heads a biblical creationist ministry says the recent discovery of DNA in a dinosaur bone does not prove evolution, as many scientists have claimed. Recently, scientific journals and secular news sources reported that bits of protein taken from a dinosaur bone provided the first genetic proof that the T-Rex is a distant cousin to the modern chicken.

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Dr. Grady McMurtry, president of Creation Worldview Ministries, says the discovery offers proof for a young Earth. "Now first of all, let's think about this. Most molecular biologists will tell you that DNA could not possibly exist for more than 10,000 years," he notes. So, since evolutionists believe DNA does not last millions of years, he says the discovery of DNA in a dinosaur bone is consistent with the biblical account of creation.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/04/biblical_creationist_disputes.php

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I always threaten to buy the $90 videos of the other outfit; I want to know what their argument against carbon-14 dating is. My husband, M.S. in Chemical & Materials Engineering that he is, won't let me. I just want to hear these creationist guys MAKE A POINT and BACK IT UP with facts (it's the lawyer in me).

[Dhalgren]

1. There is simply no way this guy was an actual "scientist". This is the dumbest

bunch of shit I have heard in some time. He must know his audience, because you'd have to be an idiot or a fool to buy what this guy's selling...

[Maat]

6. You're on to something.

Read his biography - no biology or engineering degree. He does, apparently, have a Master's in Environmental Sciences.

[MaineYooper]

14. ah, but it's so much easier to interpret the data when you already know the answers! nt

[pepperbear]

2. He says that chapters 5 & 6 explain dinosaurs...

didn't see anything about dinosaurs OR animals being created (they were already there by 5 and 6), but rather the "begatitudes"

[NickB79]

3. Well, first off they didn't discover DNA

They found protein sequences, which are much more long-lived than DNA. Moron.

[TahitiNut]

7. Probably fragments of mitochondrial DNA ... quite different than nuclear DNA.

It's a very valid approach, imho, to mapping evolution.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/mtDNA.html

[piedmont]

9. Not even mtDNA. They didn't find DNA at all. They found bits of protein. nt

[Maat]

15. I learned something from your conversation.

I'm going to go have my hubby explain protein sequences v. mrDNA right now (I'm serious, or 'series,' should I say)!

Of course, ClintonTyree (below) is correct about the whole thing (HeeHee).

[ClintonTyree]

4. It's a scientific fact......

that satan planted those fossils deep beneath the ground to test the faith of god's true believers. Nyah, nyah! So THERE! :rofl:

[Maat]

5. See, now you understand ...

my nutty relatives.

:rofl:

[piedmont]

8. Why do they think trotting out "former evolutionists" or "former homosexuals" or "former atheists"

has any logical weight at all? There are probably 100 former fundamentalists for every "former evolutionist" they can find.

[piedmont]

10. He really doesn't understand the difference between DNA and PROTEIN?

You can dress a creationist up as a scientist, but it's the stuff between the ears that matters. This guy ain't got it.

[BlooInBloo]

11. His scientific creds, such as they are, are in "environmental science"...

http://www.creationworldview.org/aboutus.asp

Speaker's Background

* B S, University of Tennessee, Institute of Agriculture
* M S, State University of New York, College of Environmental Science
* D D, School of Theology, Columbus, Georgia
* Regent of the School of Theology, Columbus, Georgia
* Adjunct Professor, School of Theology, Columbus, Georgia
* Florida Christian College, Guest Lecturer
* 20 Years an Evolutionist
* 1 1/2 Years a Theistic Evolutionist
* 30 Years a Biblical Scientific Creationist
* Ordained Minister
* Church Elder
* Expert School Board Witness

[piedmont]

12. Cough, cough, Environmental "science" ...in the 70's no less

So basically their "expert" that they're SOOOOO proud of got a degree that probably didn't emphasize biology in an era BEFORE most of the biggest advances in molecular biolgy. And now he's their point-man on an issue dealing with molecular biology? :crazy:

And people BELIEVE this shit? :puke:

[BlooInBloo]

13. Yes. They do. Americans are stupid.

[TZ]

16. I've heard that argument about carbon-14 dating

All I ever heard is it's wrong. No data no proof, NO PEER REVEIWED DATA, just wrong, because thats what they have been told. You can't back up arguments with facts if you don't have it. The unquestioning of their "beliefs" is pretty scary. No reasoning involved at all. The scary part is the person who claimed that carbon dating was wrong was a fellow lab tech, BS in biology. So yes,people with scientific degrees (even phD's) are capable of being unthinking dogmatic people.

[Maat]

17. Wow.

Just wow. I'm a believer (non-Christian, mystical deist/Religious-Scientist), but I fully believe in the evolutionary process and that the Earth is about 4 billion years old. I see no conflict between exploring belief systems (and meditative techniques) and science.

It troubles me greatly that so many in this Nation are 'dumbing down' and believing this 'Young Earth creationism.'