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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:07 PM
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Heard that a Chicago area student was arrested for writing an essay
This was on WCPT news. They said that an area high school teacher was arrested for writing down his feelings as was required for an assignment. According to the report, the student did not threaten anyone. The father said his son was only following the assignment.

Does anyone have any more information on this? It wasn't on the noon news, when I hoped to hear more details. Is it legal now to arrest a person for writing something that is not threatening? If the kid exhibited signs of suicide or admiration for Cho, I could see sending him to psychologist, but arresting him?

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:08 PM
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1. I was expecting this to happen.
This sort of witch hunt happened after Columbine. Kids getting arrested for wearing black clothes and whatnot.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:11 PM
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2. Here's the story.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:19 PM
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7. Thanks
I'm at work and am limited on what I can do--keep getting interrupted by calls, which is what I'm paid to answer.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:23 PM
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11. "Zero-tolerance policies gone awry."
Zero-thinking policies always go awry.
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:14 PM
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3. 'Violent' Essay Leads To Student's Arrest..
http://www.nbc5.com/news/13197589/detail.html

CARY-GROVE, Ill. -- A Cary-Grove High School senior was being tutored off-campus Wednesday following his arrest for writing what officials called an alarming essay that allegedly referred to a shooting but did not contain any specific threats.

Allen W. Lee, 18, has been charged with disorderly conduct stemming from an essay that was part of a free writing assignment in a creative writing class.

The teen was charged because his teacher became alarmed by the violence he described, Cary Police Chief Ron Delelio said. The essay contained no specific threats but was disturbing and inappropriate, he said.
The paper allegedly made a vague reference to a fictional school shooting in McHenry County but didn't specify a school or district, a law enforcement source said.
"We think they have been too harsh," Lee's father, Albert Lee, said Wednesday. He declined to comment further, except to say "every story has two sides."

...

Ed Yohnka, spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois, said that without knowing all the details of the essay, "You have to wonder whether (the charges were) an overreaction, given the events at Virginia Tech."
Normally, an essay done as homework would be protected speech, Yohnka said.
"He turned it into a teacher. He didn't post it online," Yohnka said. "It's not a communication between him and the broader world. This (charge) is just very puzzling."
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:21 PM
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8. Thanks for this information
this is what I wanted to know. Why the arrest? A psychologist would have been more appropriate.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:16 PM
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4. ...feelings of an almost human nature..
Edited on Thu Apr-26-07 12:19 PM by JVS
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:17 PM
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5. A student with no history of problems, writing a required essay
and he gets arrested because the teacher doesn't like what he wrote? :wtf:

Does the fact that he's Asian have anything to do with it?

Are students not allowed to have thoughts about what motivated shooters in school shootings? Is that entire subject forbidden?

We're a nation of narrow minded hateful people who judge instead of listening. x(
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:23 PM
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10. Don't kid yourself

...being Asian has everything to do with it.

Brief description of both towns that feed into that high school.

http://www.citytowninfo.com/places/illinois/fox-river-grove

http://www.citytowninfo.com/places/illinois/fox-river-grove


Cheers
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 03:41 PM
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12. You hit it right on the head.
this had nothing at all do do with the essay, it was because he was Asian.

If I was that kids family I would file a gigantic lawsuit charging racial profiling, restrictions on his first amendment rights and anything else I can nail these stupid nazi's with.

I certainly hope the ACLU has been contacted.
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 04:39 PM
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15. The ACLU

...has been notified and it was reported in the local paper that they hadn't seen the article yet.

I hope the family does follow up on this.

Cheers
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 09:12 PM
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19. This satirical article from the Onion hits closer to the truth than anything.
Columbine Jocks Safely Resume Bullying


LITTLETON, CO—On April 20, when two students at Columbine High School opened fire in a brutal shooting spree that left 12 classmates and a teacher dead, many feared that this affluent suburban school would never be the same.

But now, more than four months after a tragedy that shook the nation to its core and marked the most notorious incident of school violence in U.S. history, the atmosphere is optimistic. Slowly but surely, life at Columbine is returning to normal.

Thanks to stern new security measures, a militarized school environment and a massive public-relations effort designed to obscure all memory of the murderous event, members of Columbine's popular crowd are once again safe to reassert their social dominance and resume their proud, longstanding tradition of excluding those who do not fit in.


more...
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 10:39 PM
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21. How many people here on DU have complained not enough
Edited on Thu Apr-26-07 10:41 PM by lizzy
was done to help Cho? I would say that an essay about a dream of killing people and having sex with dead bodies sounds kind of disturbing to me. Hindsight is always 20/20, and Cho can not be "helped" anymore, but what should be done to others who write disturbing things?

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:28 AM
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24. Sorry...did I miss something? How do we know he's Asian?
Not all the links above would work for me, so maybe I missed something? Thanks
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:18 PM
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6. This is a local story for me


....and the people in the community are furious with the school and their reaction.

Cheers
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 12:22 PM
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9. I'm glad to hear it
if this were my community, I would be.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 04:01 PM
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14. but a lot of people were suggesting the vt killer should have lost all rights
committed and any number of things with his writing and further, a police state should have covered the whole campus to protect the students from said killer, and we should be able to recognize all these things.

i guess we have to figure what way we want to go

blame the cops after the fact and school for not knowing, and not doing

or understanding that because a kid writes an essay it doesnt mean he is going to shoot up a school
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 03:58 PM
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13. in math drawing in dimension, my 12 yr son said drew a sniper
in a building to show dimensional size of road and building per a person. NO NO i say, no drawing sniper at school. ever again. either of you boys. no more. will get your ass hauled off to a psychiatrist.

we have already covered this in our house.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 10:08 PM
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20. They might get hauled off to jail, according to the OP article. nt
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 04:46 PM
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16. Updated article

...this is from the local paper.

Read this quote at the end of the article.....
<<About six weeks ago, Emling said he gave a 10-minute speech in the same class describing what his life would be like as a “hit-man” and identified students he would shoot. He said he was not punished for that speech.>>

Cheers


http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2007/04/26/news/local/doc4630304f12dd7798473383.txt
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 08:45 PM
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17. Let me guess
Emling is white.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 11:19 PM
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22. I thinkthe timing is everything.
I think the teachers are on the look out for the disturbing writing considering Cho's plays.
The problem is, how do you know which one is a potential killer and which one is perfectly harmless but just expressing himself?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-26-07 08:56 PM
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18. Principal Popp????? did they mean Principal Poop?
Edited on Thu Apr-26-07 08:56 PM by Gabi Hayes
Communist Martyrs' High School?

Raw Raw Raw! That's the spirit!

More Sugar! for More Science High?

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 12:25 AM
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23. I think arresting him was wrong, but it's good they brought attention to it.
Having an in-depth conversation wtih him, contacting his parents and then maybe having him talk to a counselor would have been a better reaction. I mean, did he write it because he's terrified it will happen? Or, is it a fantasy of his? That's the first thing that needs to be established. Then find out more about his current situation with family and friends, about his background and if there have been any internal or external changes lately (other than being a teenager). If he does indeed need help, no police officer will be able to give him the kind of help he needs.

Writing in very violent terms, as they have indicated, is cause for concern. But jail isn't the answer.
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